I will not post the question.
I'm sorry but where in my reasons for not shipping CT as OTP did I ever say "Yeah I totally think Cloud doesn't think what Tifa does is enough."?
Cause I clearly said my issue is based on my preference for ships where I don't know the answer thus aren't too obvious giving me time to explore their bond because we see them as individuals first, and not just all about eachother. That I don't usually like any ships where one character is all about another. Not just CT, but ANY ship that does this...even if it's just the portrayal? I don't like ships where the guy is all about the girl to the point it LOOKS like that's his whole arc. Hence why I was always meh about CT until AC and COT. And Hence why I was hit or miss w it in Remake. For OG as I said I wanted to like the LS scene but I was stuck on how C looked like he could almost be classified as stalker for T and I just didn't jive with it. Until a CT in my replies explained it in a way I really loved.
The whole thread was the about way we feel about ships. What compells us to ship or not, regardless of canon. Nothing about how I feel about canon or me saying I don't ship it because in canon C is xyz. His portrayal is just how he comes across to me. The vibe I get and why I don't jive with it as much even though logically I do understand WHY he is written the way he is and the CT arc is the way it is.
Where did any of that that translate to "yeah I think Cloud doesn't appreciate Tifa either? "
Please passerby don't use my opinion which is clearly talking about my shipping PREFERENCE as the post was about shipping preference, why I ship certain ships but not others to put down or shade CT. That thread asked about our reasoning for shipping and so even what I didn't use to like about ships I do ship that made me hesitant at first. It's not a ship hate thread. I went into each reason why certain aspects don't appeal to me in terms of PORTRAYAL how it LOOKS on the surface level, not canon, the vibes it gave me personally. The reason that until like last year I didn't ship it. Because it is a commonly asked question on how come I accepted CT as canon but did not ship it.
The whole thread is not about the story at all. But about MY PERSONAL PERCEPTION of the ship and how my thoughts on it have evolved and things that still stick out to me over time that I'm still thinking about.
I said I don't like how it LOOKS like there is nothing more to C outside his bonds with others. This is a portrayal thing. Especially w T because of how his arc is. And while his arc with T totally justifies how awesome she is and how into eachother they are, I didn't see much of him as his own character standing alone to want to ship him with her UNTIL COT.
Yet that's what the game pushes, CT as a promise between them obvious endgame so I felt on the surface level that I can't get fully into it like it expects me to even if I wanted to feel invested. It's like the game is ten steps ahead of me, the relationship is destined but I never got to see why I should be so invested in the first place especially because I don't see any mystery to figure out.
And again this has happened even w ships I have grown to love afterwards.
I see it like this: I don't see any will they or won't they question to root for. So why then further invest in a romance when I know how it will go? If I know two people will definitely end together I USUALLY don't get into them as much. That doesn't mean it's a terrible relationship or even that I think they don't belong together. It's just I want to see more about them and how they relate to eachother in that case. Since the romance part is already established. So I look for something beyond that to keep my interest. But for many years with CT I just didn't see much that gave me what I was looking for ASIDE FROM COT and ACC and Their relationship in DissiDia. I want more of that. But Remake isn't there yet. So currently I'm a bit meh.
It's nothing bad about the ship. But mystery is incentive. There is not much mystery to unravel so I'm not as interested.
Also I still don't like how C seems like his world revolves around T and acts immaturely around guys that literally just look at/speak to her. Jealousy and possessiveness is fine and cute to an extent. I get it. But also it causes problems if it goes too far when a character does that and is a sign of lack of confidence so I personally don't like it when a character does that even if there are story reasons and I perfectly understand why they're doing it. A character needs flaws and vices otherwise they're one dimensional. So I can appreciate this.
It's just not my favorite thing in something I would ship personally. I'm not saying I think he's a bad character or really obsessed or a stalker or a jerk or etc. I always argue the contrary. But when I ship something I do not like that trope. In any ship that does that, I don't like it. Like for example I absolutely love HorimiyA but when Hori started getting all jealous of random girls I didn't personally find it cute.
It's not that it's "bad." Or "wrong" or makes a ship lacking. There's just some elements that appeal and others that don't.
It's me. It's just not My thing.
I also made an entire post of why I ship CA as OTP. Because it IS my thing. And I said why. And anyone who tells me I can't because of my views on canon or because canon can kindly fry asparagus. My enjoyment of the thing is not dependent on my views on canon or canon itself. As again that thread is about ships and how we personally connected to them... Or not.
I had been asked for a while now by several people why I didn't ship CT and was very meh until recently despite my views on canon and so I addressed it there.
Please don't use my views to bash a ship or its narrative. CT is not bad simply because it doesn't fit my preference. And I never said this. A lot of ships are like this and frankly I feel the same about them. So why shade it and compare to my thoughts like I would agree? I'm extremely anti bashing. So no I don't think their relationship is in anyway bad or lacking, or that C doesn't think T is enough and I never said that ever. In fact I even said in some ways it's almost close to "too perfect/clean for my taste" in quotes because of the osannajimi promise trope. And I don't usually even LIKE osannajimi. And that I appreciated the grittier realism and imperfections of their relationship in COT. It is clearly a good relationship.
Regardless of whether it fits my usual shipping preference. Like things aren't bad because we are more interested in other things? Even when it's not MY personal OTP. And while there are aspects that fall into what I don't normally seek to ship. It's whatever the author's thought best and went with so my preference should definitely not affect it. That's my decision.
So please don't shade CT in my inbox.
Especially when I never did that myself?
You say we have the "same reasons for not liking CT" Are you so sure?
It's fine if you don't like it? Or don't see the appeal. If you want to find the appeal you can but you don't have to if it's not your thing. There are things I found to like about it that let me ship it but no one needs to do things like me.
I just ask don't use my views to justify putting down a ship you don't like.
Please and Thank you.
Note: I ship SoKaI too but I have the same exact problem with it. In ReminD they lay it on THICK. Like I know why they do it bc people were being really stupid and claiming KAiri wasn't his love interest but it got to the point where they said eachother's names so much it felt like all the subtly was zapped. I just wish the portrayal was different. I hate that devs have to do this because of stubborn haters.
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