#Kinslaying

[thranduilofsmirkwood]

#fëanor #manwë #valinor #mandros #ecthelion the fountain boi #glorfindel #fingolfin #silm #silmarils #celegorm #curufin #caranthir #maedhros #kinslaying #Silmarillion memes #oldies but goodies #teleporno #menegroth

[maironsmaid]

I think Maglor should have seen Dior killing Curufin (and / or Celegorm) and then do like Achilles with Hector. Tie his corpse to his horse and drag it through the halls of Menegroth

#it's a rubber #silmarillion #elves #noldor #maglor #cw death #doriath #kinslaying

[influencerpippin]

saw this and felt inspired

#and who else would i make this about than everyone's problematic faves #mom the feanorians are back at it #silmarillion #feanor #oath of feanor #kinslaying #(normal tags to add to a post) #silm memes #feener #jirtposting #tolkien memes

[softlysilverfountainsfall]

How did Maedhros sneak into the Valinorean army's camp at the end of the War of Wrath?

Maglor, maybe--he's still one of the most notorious figures in all of Beleriand, but physically he doesn't stand out nearly as much as Maedhros.

But Maehros has blazing red hair. He is noted for being extremely tall. He is famously missing his right hand. With Morgoth and his forces down or scattered, Maedhros is now enemy No. 1 to a good chunk of the people still alive in Beleriand.

How did he and Maglor sneak into what was probably one of the most securely guarded places in the entire Valinorean army camp, kill the guards, and steal the Silmarils before they are noticed and surrounded? Even Eonwe, one of the most powerful Maiar in battle, didn't notice them. Sure, they were surrounded immediately after the theft, probably because killing the guards was noisy or the Silmarils were just too bright, but no one noticed before that.

There are a few possibilities, like the Valinorean army being too relaxed after their victory against Morgoth, or Maedhros managing to cover his hair and missing hand, but still. None of those feel like good enough excuses.

#maedhros #maglor #war of wrath #the silmarillion #eonwe #silmarils #unofficial fourth kinslaying #kinslaying

[myceliumelium]

I would like to hear all of your most unhinged gil-the-lad son of plothole theories

This concept is based on one of my favorites, where Gil is actually either elured or elurin, rescued from the woods by someone. Maedhros? perhapse.

#Gil-galad son of plothole #gil galad #elured #elurin #kinslaying #art #slimarillion

[agentrouka-blog]

I’ve been rereading Game of Thrones during my doctor waiting room times, and recently I came across this bit:

She could feel the heat inside her, a terrible burning in her womb. Her son was tall and proud, with Drogo's copper skin and her own silver-gold hair, violet eyes shaped like almonds. And he smiled for her and began to lift his hand toward hers, but when he opened his mouth the fire poured out. She saw his heart burning through his chest, and in an instant he was gone, consumed like a moth by a candle, turned to ash.

I wondered if it might foreshadow Dany witnessing or causing Aegon/Young Griff to burn to death in the fight for the throne. Presumably Aegon/Young Griff would have darker skin from his Dornish heritage, and silver hair once the blue dye is washed out. What are your thoughts ?

I do think you are on to something there, and that the image of the burning heart in particular underlines the parallel to Stannis and his Azor Ahai prophecy (of the steel-tempering heart). There is a continuum of familial murder in Stannis' story. He kills his brother, he would have killed his nephew, he will kill his child. All under his banner of the flaming heart.

Dany is only a bystander in her brother's death, and her son's life wasn't intentionally traded - but still within this dream you quote she finds herself already moving past this grief on her path toward her dragon identity, urged on by her silver-haired ancestors.

She saw his heart burning through his chest, and in an instant he was gone, consumed like a moth by a candle, turned to ash. She wept for her child, the promise of a sweet mouth on her breast, but her tears turned to steam as they touched her skin. "… want to wake the dragon …" Ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. In their hands were swords of pale fire. They had hair of silver and hair of gold and hair of platinum white, and their eyes were opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade. "Faster," they cried, "faster, faster." She raced, her feet melting the stone wherever they touched. "Faster!" the ghosts cried as one, and she screamed and threw herself forward. A great knife of pain ripped down her back, and she felt her skin tear open and smelled the stench of burning blood and saw the shadow of wings. And Daenerys Targaryen flew. [...] Dany released her wrist. My son is dead, she thought as Jhiqui left the tent. She had known somehow. She had known since she woke the first time to Jhiqui's tears. No, she had known before she woke. Her dream came back to her, sudden and vivid, and she remembered the tall man with the copper skin and long silver-gold braid, bursting into flame. She should weep, she knew, yet her eyes were dry as ash. She had wept in her dream, and the tears had turned to steam on her cheeks. All the grief has been burned out of me, she told herself. She felt sad, and yet … she could feel Rhaego receding from her, as if he had never been. Ser Jorah and Mirri Maz Duur entered a few moments later, and found Dany standing over the other dragon's eggs, the two still in their chest. It seemed to her that they felt as hot as the one she had slept with, which was passing strange.  (AGOT, Daenerys IX)

Dany has lost her brother and her son, but we know what she clings to above all. She always tells us.

The copper-skinned lord shows up again in the HOTU prophecy.

Then phantoms shivered through the murk, images in indigo. Viserys screamed as the molten gold ran down his cheeks and filled his mouth. A tall lord with copper skin and silver-gold hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion, a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman's name. . . . mother of dragons, daughter of death . . . Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow. A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd. From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire. . . . mother of dragons, slayer of lies . . . Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . . (ACOK, Daenerys IV)

This entire passage is brimming with imagery related to false promises and prophecies leading her family members to doom. (I count Stannis among them.) The people cheer the cloth dragon but the real thing is a portent of death and destruction, kinslaying and self-destruction.

That copper-skinned lord relating to Rhaego alone doesn't feel very satisfying when we know he would have never looked like this. He was deformed in the same way many Targaryen stillborn babies were, blind and winged and scaled. Aegon is unlikely to look specifically copper-skinned, but he is bound to cut an impressive figure in the same way she imagines Rhaegar to do. She imagined her son would. He who could bebher family but will be her rival.

Whether this image specifically represents Aegon, as the hypothetical true heir Dany will want out of the way, or some idealized sense of Targaryen conquest, he is destroyed from within by the same flames Dany feels inside herself. In the context of the Dance of Dragons, of the Baratheon line and Stannis destruction of it, the fate of her brother and son, the burning city - and because GRRM already repeated it to keep it in our minds - I do think it's likely to come back in her confrontation with Aegon.

Who else could make this image come to life?

#anti daenerys targaryen #asoiaf speculation #rhaego #aegon vi targaryen #kinslaying #fire imagery #stannis baratheon #parallels

[eternal-fear]

Sooo... Who is going to talk about the fact that only one kinslaying had happened?

How many Noldor on Noldor murder where was during the first "kinslaying"? Zero. Even Galariel wasn't executed for siding with Teleri. Teleri who aren't Noldor.

How many Noldor on Noldor muder the second "kinslaying"? Let me count... Ah yes, zero. Sindar aren't Noldor, thank you very much.

"Third" kinslaying? Yep. There were refugees from Gondolin. It's such a pity that Noldor were driven to kill their own in the end.

#feanor did nothing wrong #feanor and feanor's kin #kinslaying #noldor #silmarillion #oh this is hilarious #sindar #teleri #doriath #sons of feanor

[everythingquenya]

When does a man become a monster?

#quenya #everythingquenya #tengwar #silmarillion #maedhros #kinslaying #epic the musical #everything quenya #just a man #when does a monster become a man? #a rare lina art

[iamnotshazam]

jolkien rolkien rolkien tolkien rewrote galadriel's history just to purposefully undo my idea she was at all three kinslayings fighting the feanorians. how spiteful of him

#jrr tolkien #tolkien #jolkien rolkien rolkien tolkien #silmarillion #feanor #house of feanor #feanorians #kinslaying #first age #beleriand

[foedhrass]

My Teleri OC Aegrathil who served as palace guard to Olwe. He lived and died at Alqualonde.

Photos by Goldiepond on Instagram. Duilin on the last photo is Silverlynxcosplay also on Instagram. Duilin found his neighbour Aegrathil after the battle.

#alqualonde #Kinslaying of Alqualonde #kinslaying #silmarillion #tolkien #silmarillion cosplay #elves #tolkien cosplay #the silmarillion #cosplay #teleri #Aegrathil #oc cosplay #Olwe #Duilin

[thranduilofsmirkwood]

I've made hundreds of memes and gifs and still - when I find one someone else made - I have to doff my chapeau at what greater minds have created.

And it makes me happy that so many twisted and demented minds are in our fandom. From fanfic to art we have the most inspired people creating for us.

Imagine knowing Silm canon so well you can see a pic and make it into a Fëanor Meme that's a hoot AND perfect.

I'll never be able to make a silm meme like that - but thank God I read the silmarillion twice and now get the joke, lol.

These are a few that still make me lmfao.

F'n brilliant.

#the silmarillion #silmarils #silm #fëanor #ulmo #kinslaying #mandos #ecthelion and glorfindal #eru #melkor #jrr tolkien #balrogs

[bralesscommie]

To you, he may be a kinslayer, but to me, he's, well, he's a kinslayer to me too, but have you considered he's just a silly girly?

#incomprehensible silm posting #silmarillion #fëanor #maedhros #lotr #kinslaying

[maironsbigboobs]

feanorions circa F.A. 506

#going into tags is. not fun sometimes. #kinslaying

[softlysilverfountainsfall]

Bear with me while I rules-lawyer the spirit of the Oath of Feanor because I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Maedhros did.

The Oath is specifically targeted at anyone who "hideth or hoardeth, or in hand taketh, finding keepeth or afar casteth a Silmaril" which I do not believe means anyone who touches a Silmaril, despite "in hand taketh" because all the other stipulations are targeted specifically at people who keep the Silmarils away from the Feanorians, by hiding, hoarding, keeping, or even throwing it far away. It would also just be bizarre if, say, a Feanorian follower returned the Silmaril to their lords and the Oath required that they kill them.

However, the strongest evidence for the Oath only applying (or being interpreted to only apply) to people who deliberately withhold the Silmarils from the Feanorians are Maedhros'/the Feanorians' actions before the 2nd and 3rd kinslayings: in both cases, they send a letter demanding the return of the Silmaril. Now, if by touching/posessing the Silmaril, the deaths of Thingol, Dior, and then Elwing are already demanded by the oath, why in the world would they send a letter (losing part of the element of surprise), not even to declare war, but demanding the Silmaril's return? Sending that letter implies that this can still be resolved peacefully if the Silmaril is handed over.

It's my interpretation that Maedhros/the Feanorians are rules-lawyering this tiny loophole in the oath (regardless of whether the oath is present magically/compulsive/just their own dedication) by deliberately closing their eyes to the fact that the current holder of the Silmaril definitely believes it to be their possession and is deliberately keeping it from the Feanorians---which lasts as long as that holder hasn't confirmed that desire.

After all, Thingol, Dior, and Elwing didn't steal the Silmaril, they received it from family members. If the Feanorians ignore the intent behind their keeping it (before that intent is confirmed by the holder's response to the Feanorian's demand), then they could consider Thingol et al to simply...coincidentally...happen to be holding a Silmaril, not possessing it for themselves and therefore not liable to the oath.

Actually, one line in the text from after Thingol refuses to return the Silmaril even hints that even after that, the situation might be salvageable if the Silmaril is returned by free will: "Celegorm and Curufin vowed openly to slay Thingol and destroy his people if they came victorious from war [this is pre-Nirnaeth], and the jewel were not surrendered of free will" (emphasis mine, Of the Fifth Battle, The Silmarillion).

Of course, the Oath drives the Feanorians to reclaim the Silmarils, and so I view the letters to Thingol, Dior, and Elwing as last-ditch attempts at solving this peacefully (via exploiting the above loophole). (Note: this is not necessarily meant to make the Feanorians more sympathetic, this is just me trying to figure out why they sent those letters.) However, this also dooms them to a kinslaying, because as soon as Dior and Elwing reject returning the Silmaril, they have explicitly or implicitly claimed it for themselves and have now "in hand taketh" the Silmaril instead of just touching it and happening to have it around, which means their deaths are now demanded under the Oath.

#I'm saying Maedhros / the sons of feanor because in the text #they seem to send the letters as a group especially to Dior #but the in the messages to Thingol and Elwing #Maedhros is slightly more singled out as the active party in sending/recieving messages + he's the head of the house #so I think he had the larger role here #the silmarillion #oath of feanor #maedhros #sons of feanor #feanorians #kinslaying #second kinslaying #third kinslaying #doriath #havens of sirion #thingol #elu thingol #dior #dior eluchil #elwing #softlysilver

[lemonhemlock]

How big of a deal is kinslaying in Westeros? I've seen people argue that if Rhaenyra hadn't been usurped, she wouldn't have killed Alicent's sons out of fear of being a kinslayer, does that aversion offer any actual protection?

so kinslaying is a pretty big deal in westeros. a lot of characters are portraying to be worrying about it and do not want to appear as a kinslayer, however, there are always some who engage in it for their own gain. grrm himself said there are various degrees to kinslaying. so, for example, if you're the king and a relative of yours committed some great crime for which the punishment is death, then that particular execution wouldn't count as kinslaying, as it would be part of the normal judicial process. although i'm sure that there would some who would comment on the kinslaying aspect regardless.

when it comes to warring factions for the throne, the stakes are much higher, because if someone were to reassert their claim and muster up some military might, then the ensuing war could take thousands of lives. so, for the stability of the realm, there are situations in which it might be deemed necessary. let's say maegor was an outlier bc of his extreme behaviour, but, had he not been killed by the iron throne itself, jaehaerys would have had to execute him, realistically speaking, because there is no way his uncle would renounce his claim to the throne and live out the rest of his days without any further tomfoolery.

another example in-text is that of stannis. he is a "better" person than rhaenyra and daemon in that he is extremely law-abiding, yet, in his quest for the throne, he commits the great taboo of killing renly via melisandre's shadow baby and even contemplates ritualistically sacrificing edric storm. we know from the show that shireen will meet the same fate. rhaenyra & daemon are not known for their calm demeanour, respect for the laws & customs of the land, lack of paranoia and measured reactions - i think that's a pretty fair assessment. to say that the fear of kinslaying would have stopped them is, in generous terms, a naive position to take and requires at the very least an honest deliberation on one's own biases colouring the interpretation of the text.

#ask #anon #westerosi laws & customs #kinslaying

[in-the-glow-of-a-silmaril]

Okay, here's my hc for how the Feanorians ended up with Elrond and Elros.

They fell on Sirion quickly and viciously. It was the worst of the three kinslayings, the book says. Elwing tries to do as was once done for her and send her children out of the city. I imagine she had a desperate hope they could stay in hiding until the Feanorians left and later meet up with Earendil. She flees Maglor and Maedhros, and is ultimately driven off a cliff.

Meanwhile, the people entrusted with Elrond and Elros are shot down as they try to escape into the forest. The children are spared; I imagine Maedhros' followers learned well from Elurín and Eluréd what would happen to child-killers. They report the children to their superior officers instead.

Maglor retrieves them. Given how long Maedhros searched for their uncles, I imagine Maglor thought it would give his brother closure of some sort or another to see this pair of twins safe.

However, given that Maglor raises them instead of Maedhros, I can't imagine this worked very well. Maedhros would have regretted their deaths, I think. But he's....not doing well at this point in time. Even worse than Maglor, I think, because he's spent more time making decisions that failed and trying to take care of his family, nearly all of whom are now dead. Maedhros would protect the twins from death, I think, but he simply does not have the emotional bandwidth to do much else.

I think Elrond and Elros were both healers; the first is canon, the second can be extrapolated. The hands of a king are the hands of a healer, after all. And I think that seeing injuries - both physical and psychological - in the closest thing they had to parental figures for most of their upbringing might have sparked their interest.

Anyway. That's my hc for the sacking of Sirion.

#the silmarillion #silm #elrond and elros #Elrond #elros #maglor #maedhros #sirion #kinslaying #elwing