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grayintogreen · 5 months

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So with all this TNEOL criticism coming back around and some absolutely heinously Bad Faith takes that the only people who took issue with it are people mad about hcs, I'm going to take some time out of my writing to propose how simple the Actual Plot would be to fix and why hiring someone who has only watched half of the series they're writing for and never even seen the character they're supposed to be writing, forcing them to watch everything at 1.5x speed and turning enjoying a canon into a necessary research assignment (and it SHOWS) is a bad idea.

While I do have ideas on how to improve the plot that range from having Aldreda and Brevyn combined into one person (giving Lucien dead little sister angst and a "no good deed goes unpunished" angle to his arc) to Brevyn being a rival/idol that he kills at some point (and not a love interest) to hammer home Lucien's "kill your idol" mindset, I'm going to be kind and just script doctor the plot as written, fixing the glaring continuity errors and Lucien's lack of agency in his own story.

THE FORMAT. Presumably the story as pitched was "Lucien backstory leading into his version of canon events," which... fine. I think some of the fault lies on that pitch, because it's way too much to shove into a 300-page book, but maybe only Sarah J Maas can drop six hundred pages and it hit the bestseller list on impact. Whatever. There's a simple solution to this that also fixes the extremely egregious error of omitting the VERY PLOT IMPORTANT EVENT of Lucien having spent considerable time in the Astral Sea.

Start with the shattering. Have Lucien's backstory come out in alternating chapters of significant events in his life as a framing device as he pieces himself together in Cognouza. This highlights the author's strength and what she was clearly hired for and enjoyed writing- the eldritch horror- while still showing us how Lucien came to be here. You can introduce the Somnovem and play with the cosmic horror elements and weird formatting stuff that people actually came here to see, because, let's be real, no one who is reading this is not a fan of the show and if you want to be weird, why not start weird? This also fixes another glaring issue I had which was the Somnovem and Lucien bickering throughout the back half. They believed Lucien was loyal the whole time and the only reason the bickering was added was to give some excuse for why he betrayed them- an excuse that wasn't necessary because CANON ALREADY GAVE ONE. You just SKIPPED IT. The juxtaposition of Lucien discovering the Somnovem in flashbacks vs him growing to resent them as we rapidly ascend into present day would be insane, plus it provides a parallel to Molly. Both start out empty at the beginning of the two year gap, but Lucien is desperate to regain his memories and sense of self.

THE BACKSTORY. I think if you have to keep the very Caleb-expy and borderline Widomauk-pandering backstory with the burning of the cart with Mom, Dad, and Sock Brother in it, you need to change one thing to make it make sense- that the parents and Elric weren't tieflings. That's it. It makes Elric being the favorite make sense, it establishes the Tavelles frequently have been making dodgy deals with hellish entities (Azraharai is supposed to be a night hag presumably but she's, uh, hot, which is weird for a hag) and that Lucien and Aldreda are proof of that transgression and therefore their mistreatment has some background to it.

Lucien's decision to join the Orders needs to have been HIS decision. My suggestion is have him refuse to leave Brevyn alone until she brings him and Cree with her, establishing two things; that Lucien wants to be like Brevyn and that Brevyn has a soft spot for Lucien's tenacity and refusal to back down which will give SOME credence to why they're so In Love later.

The Azrahari debacle needs to have been framed as Lucien deciding to go kill her while NOT on contract and the conflict is Lucien begging Cree to help him go off book and murder someone they weren't hired to because WHY are the Claret Orders sleeping on this woman? I also think removing the contracts entirely and focusing on the Orders being religious and hypervigilant would go a long way to avoid the Witcher allegations, while also pointing out a hypocrisy- they're focused primarily on the Marrow Valley and not the Quannah Breach, and the whole reason Lucien joined was also partially so he could hunt down Azrahari. This shows that Lucien has no respect for Authority and also starts proving that he can convince people to break off and do things on their own. Having this be the mission that all the Tombtakers (save Brevyn- I'll get there) go on together (maybe Cree insists they get more help) that establishes their bond would make the fight more dynamic and remove the weird "lol vengeance is hollow" feelings from a situation that really didn't need that message, while also tying two plots together.

From here, we can establish that Lucien going off-book and doing his own thing is something he does frequently. Having the Tombtakers all go to the mission in Rexxentrum together is another way to give us a fun Tombtakers group scene, because what the book needed was more establishment of their bond to run parallel to the Nein and make everything that happens later more poignant. From here, everything with Vess and Aldreda can continue as planned, but THEN Brevyn shows up to bring them back to the Orders. Lucien, since he had planned to run off and leave the Tombtakers high and dry anyway with Aldreda (this establishes how quickly he discards his friends), is fully committed to just leaving the Orders and the Tombtakers agree. Brevyn decides she wants to follow. THIS is what sparks their romance- maybe Brevyn has always been attracted to him and he's always idolized her and this leads to some emotional reveals. I think, ultimately, the romance has to be shown to be extremely unhealthy with Lucien seeing Brevyn as someone so glorious (repeating the motif of her being "the favorite" that the book didn't do anything with) that if she chooses him, then he must be special and Brevyn... just liking him. I think Brevyn could stand to be less girlbossy, because Lucien is supposed to be the girlboss of this novel. An OC in this situation does not need to overshadow the actual protagonist which was my main problem with her. I didn't pay $20 for Ensign Oakbender to be The Best At Life and the Reason Lucien Does Everything Right Down To Wearing Open Shirts and Liking Butterflies.

So from here, we can establish the Tombtakers getting a reputation worthy enough that Vess would want to hire them for mercenary work. The Tombtakers are RARELY EVER shown to be fucking competent at any point in the book (seriously how are the tribes holding down a group of blood mages- that should have been the moment Lucien terrified the entire town into respecting him), which is ridiculous because they are in canon, barring Lucien's failed survival checks, which were as much a fault of the group as a whole. It's just funny to blame him.

I think the best way to deal with the Brevyn Death Scene is for Lucien to find the book, read a little of it in private, have his first dream of the Somnovem and excitedly run to tell his gf who is just "um that's sketch" and you can do this one of two ways: the first being that she just thinks that's sketch (and even if you can't call it that, you CAN have her use Grim Psychometry on it because someone should have) and the second being the more pragmatic approach which is that if Lucien takes something that DeRogna has explicitly said she wants (all magical items), he's putting the group at risk of not being paid. Lucien reacting badly to Brevyn not yes manning him (and possibly abandoning him the way Aldreda did- REMEMBER HE HATES BEING ABANDONED) gives credence to his tight response to Caduceus's plea for perspective. It also makes him worry that because she's Perfect Brevyn, she'll turn the other Tombtakers against him. This results in a conflict and you can go two ways with this too- either Lucien kills her on accident and lies about it or their fight starts the clusterfuck that leads to her getting mashed to paste. (I like the latter because if Lucien chooses to save the book and leaves Brevyn to die, it parallels what happens with Cree.) Either way, Brevyn's death is ruled as an accident and Vess and the Tombtakers part on sour, but not as ridiculous as they do in the book, terms. Lucien reads the book. Insanity ensues.

THE SECOND ACT. So as stated in my first point, the first act would end with Lucien being brought back as he remembers the most recent events of his life and having made the decision to subjugate the Somnovem. This part of the story is generally considered to be better than the first half so mainly what needs to be fixed are the glaring contradictions to canon events, the Tombtakers' incomptence, the Somnovem's presence, and the way Brevyn hangs over the narrative- using her more as a symbol for how much Lucien sacrifices to get what he wants would be best. Personally, I think Head!Molly needs to bring up Aldreda as his "humanizing" factor with Brevyn being solely used as a reminder of what is going to happen to all of his friends. This allows Aldreda to still haunt the narrative since she was FORGOTTEN ABOUT.

As for Molly... Look, I have a mixed bag of emotions on some of Head!Molly's shit and I'm not going to deconstruct that here. I do think his arguments need to be less "why don't you like my friends they could be your friends" though, especially since if you're going to do a Tombtakers story, you need to commit to the fact that the Nein were absolutely shitty to them for no reason from THEIR PERSPECTIVE. If you can't commit to the villain-centered morality in regards to the heroes' actions in a narrative about villains, you don't need to be writing this story. Molly's arguments look stupid when viewed from Lucien's side of things and yet he's framed as being perfectly reasonable.

Beyond that, I think not declawing the Tombtakers and allowing them to be considerably competent threats instead of half-starved, freezing idiots and focusing more on Lucien's Eldritch Madness, as opposed to just general madness would go a long way.

And there you have it! The most generous, kind script doctor for the book I can give. That is all it would have taken to make a book that was very different from what I expected, but wouldn't have utterly pissed me off and, in fact, would have been looked back on fondly as a flawed but otherwise fun story.

#obviously she also needed a sensitivity reader for race/poverty issues since those are two things that are intrinsic to lucien's character #and should be considered in writing him #but that goes into 'this needed to be written by someone who watched Lucien's scenes more than once and cared about his character' territor #cr discourse #i'm not maintagging this #this is literally just a ventpost #i am very frustrated by the mentality that criticism is ALWAYS coming from a place of disappointment #that things aren't what you imagined #if canon was exactly what i imagined i would think somebody was cribbing my fanfics #that said it is a very prevalent mentality these days and that is very annoying and i hate it too #but not everyone mad at something is mad for that reason #sometimes it was actually very very badly handled

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glitchlight · 7 months

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Hard to agree with the resurgence in HS blogging and general positivity to the series, focusing as it is rn on everything pre Act 6. yeah there's a lot of brilliant stuff in the first four acts and Hussies comedy and writing style is very compelling. But the quality of the writing in act 6 combined with the frequent delays are the concrete blocks tied to the feet of the series that drown it.

* Literally half of act 6 canonically doesn't matter and ends with a mea culpa about a plotting mistake that ultimately doesn't amount to anything aside from writing hussie out of a corner.

* scratch is a terrible antagonist on basically every level

* everything with the cherubs and scratch kids is a tedious retread of better character arcs repeated out of a needless obsession with symmetry.

* character development from previous acts is all over the place, going backwards at times.

* the initial ending was so abrupt, underwhelming and disconnected from the preceding material it's taken years of post hoc additions to make it half way decent in the minds of diehards.

* act 6 also has a recurring, needlessly condescending undertone towards the audience, years after the suggestion box was closed forever.

A bad ending can ruin a series, and for me personally the way act 6 was handled soured my opinion of the whole series forever. Call it the game of thrones effect: it is really hard to care about anything that precedes it knowing the trainwreck that awaits. I said in the months after that the legacy of homestuck is not homestuck, but the people inspired by it to make better, queerer, better edited stories and I stand by that. Undertale and TLT both blew up to be bigger than HS ever was outside the ex Homestuck crowd for a reason.

#obviously everyone can enjoy what they want and I'm not out here to be bitter but #the very very long time followers know #i was obsessed. i still credit it as a major influence on my writing style #more than anything else id say im bitter because I'm disappointed #it was so so so good and it sank down and down and drowned in the dark

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dowagersqueen · 1 year

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my head explodes every time i think of the posibility of either aegon or aemond hinting very subtly that they love the other.

because if it’s aegon who does it that essentially both unlocks that old door within aemond’s heart and he’s back to being 10 years old and thinking “my brother, who thinks little of me. my brother, who’d rather stand with our nephews than me,” AND finally clicks it into place because see? see? there was something there for him too, some string of feeling he can latch on and say “he does care a little. it’s a little but he does care.” even if now it’s all a little too late now and the brotherhood has cracks too deep in it to ever go back

and if it’s aemond... aegon can’t fucking bear it. he can’t bear it because aemond only thinks he knows him, made aegon up in his mind, and thinks there’s something worth it in him, but there’s not. there really isn’t so the only conclusion aegon can come to is that aemond doesn’t even know him so how could aemond love him if aemond doesn’t know him? this isn’t them when aegon was 13 joking around to impress some 10 year olds. this is aegon at 20 thinking about fleeing to essos because he can’t stomach the misery thieir family has turned to, with his mother clinging on hope that there’s still something good left to do and aemond ready as always, her little soldier, to carry her banner and helaena who looks at him much like their mother and viserys who’s almost a corpse and still poisons the air in the room. aemond thinks he sees something in aegon but aegon knows it doesn’t exist. and aegon knows that if he leaves to essos without saying anything he’ll break aemond’s heart, but aegon reckons it’s what aemond needs to see that the aegon he’s attached is all imagined.

and i think if anyone would fix this relationship (but maybe break it a little at first) would be daeron. because daeron does not come with this bagagge that both aegon and aemond have for their parents and for each other.

daeron has his own baggage but it’s different. by the time daeron is born alicent is softer, warmer, more understanding. she has learned to cope better, to express her love differently, to accept that viserys isn’t gonna be involved and she has to be the one to manage her children however she can. so daeron had his own neglect but it’s not the same, especially because rhaenyra isn’t there to make the divide painfully obvious.

when he comes to aegon and aemond it’s with his heart open and a honesty that neither aegon nor aemond can bear to hear out loud. but with time they do, they have to, because daeron is not a quiet child.

#aegon ii targaryen #aemond targaryen #daeron targaryen #this one is for the girlies who are messed up like me #sorry it's late and i'm in my feels about this brotherhood #also when aegon says he wants to flee and aemond is thinking about it but very obviously is also arguing against it in his head #he's doing pros and cons but also he knows his duty #and criston comes and ruins aegon's plan and aegon looks disappointed #and look at aemond dealing that again because they're always in this circle

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marsupials-of-mars · 7 months

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So Izzy seems to at least know what he's doing, and has clearly grown, has moved on. But i think he might also know that its not sustainable. I'm very very excited to see Izzy and Ed have their first conversation. Especially now that Ed is learning how to apologize first, and realizing how his actions effect others. I'm going to sob so hard.

I kind of hope they go with Ed begging Izzy to let him apologize and Izzy won't give him the satisfaction, and just wants to move on from it. and they mend from there. It would be an awesome way to demonstrate that making amends is not one size fits all, and what makes you feel better might not be what the person you hurt wants or needs, and its up to them.

ALSO!! Izzy being silly and friendly! It's exactly what i hoped, he's still a dick but he's a dick on his own terms and it makes him so much cooler and he KNOWS he's fucking cool. Its not just that he feels responsible for the crew, its because he now knows that the crew respects him. And not just because he earned it by saving them, but because they do care about him.

They cared about him while he was still bossing them around, and it's so important that i do not think he KNEW. He assumed they thought oh what a mean pirate he needs to lighten up, and he assumed that they didn't acknowledge his experience and talent. His reality was Ed, who seemed to be the only one who took him seriously anymore. So now that he knows that the crew can be his crew...WAAAHH I love this man so much.

Also I'm so proud of Stede and Ed I was very afraid they were going to get super codependent and that Ed's gravy bowl experience would kind of cause him to lean on Stede and Stede would not listen to anyone about their trauma (which obviously his lack of empathy causes problems but as long as he's told what he's doing he's accommodating, which yes, now i understand why people consider him autistic as i type that...) but it seems like everything is moving along in about the best way it can.

I'm so worried about what this season's third act conflict will be...hopefully the initial conflict might be enough to change the format and the story is just healing and feeling safe, which would be par for the course. STILL!

#our flag means death #ofmd #ofmd season 2 #ofmdS2 #I love this show. they could take it so many directions and it would be great #and every one they choose I'm not disappointed. obviously its fun to explore the other possibilities but they choose very solid ones #for having to make one choice. screenwriting is hard in that way. any story is i suppose

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boy-above · 7 months

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ppl acting like any traveler ship could become canon in genshin are insane

#they're not becoming canon i'm sorry #honestly i wouldn't be surprised if we went through this whole game not having Any canon ships between Any of the characters #like that's the assumption i've been running off from the beginning #especially the gay ships like dude they won't even include brown people in this game you think they're gonna go gay #i'm not trying to be a fun ruiner but what i am saying is that you're probably going to be very disappointed #if the only thing you find worthwhile about this game is shipping characters and are hoping they'll become canon #i guess i also get butthurt abt this because so many ppl having worthless fandom discourse focus on which ship is ~more likely to be canon~#and im sitting here like 'literally neither of them you are arguing for Nothing they're not going to give you canonical gays'#do i wish this were different? yeah it would be nice to have canon gays obviously i am a gay man #but we're not getting that please think realistically

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pa-pa-plasma · 1 year

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about to watch an hour & a half long video titled "Why How To Train Your Dragon 3 Is Not Good" & I feel so fucking vindicated right now

#I'M GONNA SAY IT: HTTYD 3 SUCKS ASS. I'M RIGHT & I SHOULD SAY IT #like from a writer's standpoint it sucks but ALSO from a viewer's standpoint. HTTYD 2 & 3 just aren't very good #i mean obviously 3 is waaaay worse than 2 but both take any & all character development from 1 & kinda throw it in the garbage #& i think because 1 was so good it just set the bar so high. but then again #Riders of Berk. Defenders of Berk. & RTTE were all very good shows with like less than a quarter the budget of the movies #why did the shows have better characterization & development than the actual main movies?#you cannot imagine my disappointment when they were like ''whatever let's just slap Ruff with Snotlout or Fishlegs at the end''#Snotloud & Fishlegs are bisexual & dating. this is the only version of canon i will accept #the shows gave me that why can't the movies???#yes they literally kiss in the show. yes you need to watch it right now #idk i feel like in the movies hiccup is the only character. everyone is a background character to him #& his characterization isn't even consistent with the first movie #he unlearns how to draw. he fucking unlearns how to draw because he's too cool for loser hobbies now. i'm going to kill someone

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rahabs · 3 months

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Man, I'm so glad I never liked Doctor Who because... what the hell has happened to it?

#Like I never liked it but in my high school days all my friends were OBSESSED with it.#So while I didn't like it I obviously listened to them talk about it because they all loved it so much #So I'm very familiar with the Eccleston-Tennant-Smith eras #(And Torchwood which I only partially watched)#And the major plot/character arcs etc.#And from what I'm hearing now they basically just... undid a bunch of the most impactful story lines and I just.#Like even someone who doesn't like Doctor Who I ask: why?#But then again this isn't unique to Doctor Who.#The trend seems to be to resurrect IPs and then just destroy them with bad/lazy writing these days #And then when fans understandably critique it just claim fans are being racist/misogynistic/insert-ist-or-ism-here.#No! It's just that your writing sucks! We're mad because the writing sucks and is lazy and the characters don't make sense!#Anyway I have heard NOTHING good about the new DW stuff even from my very progressive friends. My moderate friends are equally disappointe #text #misc

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ladyhavilliard · 1 year

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Am I upset how much they changed Wesper in s&b? Yes. Is it bringing my Wesper obsession back anyway? Of fucking course.

#i can't read the handwriting #i'm doing something now and can't look at it #how do you pronounce this word #so far i love kanej!!!#i was upset with only 1 helnik scene last season and the rest was awesome #not much helnik this season so far. for obv reason #but with wesper... i don't necessarily like what they did and it upsets me how different it is. AND YET #THEY ARE MY TREASURES #AND I WOULD DO ANYTHING IN MY POWERS TO MAKE WYLAN HAPPY #i still love them very much <3 #there's only one thing i am genuinely disappointed in and that's wylan telling jes about him not being able to read #IDC THAT IT SHOWED HE TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH TO SHARE #it is still so out of character for him #and it also made the issue look as if it's just about him being embarrassed about it #like i know they still had that tension and it was obviously not just fine and chill #but wylan is traumatized and terrified of anything surrounding this #he lives not only in great shame because of it (which they addressed by words but it still.. idk felt somehow way lighter in the show)#but he also lives in fear because of it #goddamn it his own father tried to murder him for it #no matter how much he trusts jesper #this is not something he would do #IF he wanted to tell jesper he would at first maybe hint of it. try saying without making it obvious #you know #he trusts jes enough to ask him for help #like bla bla #but here is the thing #this is his deepest secret and the one thing he is absolutely terrified of is ppl knowing it #he would never just... say it #at least not now- before any of the growth he has to go through or before really getting to know jes

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seas-below-moons · 8 months

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I'm so disappointed about the jihyo solo and 24 hours later i'm still not over it

#i've hated the group's latest trend and i feel like she was pulled into it #i don't mind the more mature concepts #hello??? icsm???#CRY FOR ME????#both amazing #the eyes wide open album was amazing and while i loved formula of love more i still loved it so much #my problem is not the more mature concepts #i liked between 1&2 well enough #but rtb i did not like very much #it's set this new tone for the group that i am not a fan of #i resold my tickets for the concert bc i couldn't stand it #i've been a fan since their debut and it's just... so disappointing #i love her so much she's my ultimate favorite #comparing ny's solo to her solo is ridiculous #ny obviously had so much more production value and love given to it #i feel like they made her hold back so much #i'm just really really disappointed #i was expecting to be disappointed with the current trend but i'm sad anyway #i've been hoping for her solo for so long and was even mad when it was ny first #but this was not it #for me at least #i wish her and the group the best--#MISAMO??? THAT WAS AMAZING #even that had better quality!!!!#do not touch was so good!!! so much better compared to this!!!#why is she getting the short end of the stick #ugh i'm so mad #she deserves so much better than this #i wish her and the group the best but i'm so removed from this group now #and if they grow and i'm no longer their audience that's fine but i'm going to miss them and their music dearly

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warrenwaskilledbyadeer · 1 year

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The knowledge that other people make aus like Milo Murphy characters as Wizard of Oz has me so relieved but so anxious

Relieved because I'm not an insane weirdo who has to hide it anymore

But anxious because now I kinda feel like I wanna talk about it??

I have a few for Amnesia that I really really like actually and I almost told a friend about one of them today but I chickened out skdjsksk

I'm shaking now gahhhh

(I apologize to my few followers who see these posts btw, I just use tumblr as a venting place because it's very easy for them to be lost in the void forever but also I got to get a little ranting/venting out of my system)

#just me rambling #i scream into the void #i have some for amnesia that don't fit the entire thing as well #like just a few scenes #gonna be fully honest 'cause i feel safer in the tags lol but #THE WHOLE SCENE IN PUSS IN BOOTS THE LAST WISH IN THE CAVE MADE ME THINK OF DANIEL #and then kitty and perrito are elise and hazel of course #they see him running and elise is just disappointed that he's gone back on all his character progression and hazel's just: ?#i also have a half-baked idea of amnesia as willy wonka haha #since they're both about morality in VERY different ways #weyer is willy wonka 'cause weyer sort of sees himself as the arbiter of who deserves to live and die by the shadow #oswald is augusts gloop 'cause gluttony of EATING PEOPLE ew #henri is violet because no one else fit her lol #justine is veruca because obviously #daniel is mike teevee because YES #and tasi is charlie 'cause she's the least morally reprehensible of all the protags #i could talk a lot about daniel being mike teevee but i won't lmao #i also have an amnesia pirate au with quite a few scenes straight out of potc haha but a lot of original ones too #i'm very proud of how it's coming together actually #lots of cool stuff and cool variations on the stories and character arcs we already know so well #the daniel and elise is chef's kiss incredible if i do say so myself #i feel like i made it different enough but also the same enough #okay rant over please no one ever see this post

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upsidedownknight · 1 year

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Your opinion is your own of course but respectfully I have to say I disagree with your friend about the Heartstopper show having nothing to say about mental illness. It’s absolutely touched on more in the show than it was in the early comics. Charlie’s eating disorder is implied, and his low self-esteem is explored and we see it impact his life more than in the first two volumes of the comics that the first season covers. There is one added scene in particular in episode 8 with Charlie and Tori that is far closer to Solitaire’s serious themes than anything in the first two comic volumes.

Mental health as a topic hasn’t been explored explicitly yet, but the groundwork has been set for them to fully delve into it in season 2. The story just hasn’t gotten there yet. And I think it makes sense that it was kept on the backburner in season 1, because they weren’t sure if they would get a season 2 or 3. I think they didn’t want to fully open up Charlie’s eating disorder, OCD, and self-harm storyline if they were unsure they could get to the point where he starts getting some help (though it’s definitely there and more than we got in the comics by that point in the story). Since being renewed, both Alice and Charlie’s actor have talked a lot about how a major focus of season 2 will be the mental health themes. Alice has even said that they wish they had not glossed over some of the harder parts in Charlie’s story in the comics, that they felt a bit trapped by the format, and feel the show is an opportunity to explore those parts more deeply.

So I guess my advice would be maybe check in around the time season 2 comes out and see what people are saying? I think it’s just too soon to tell where the show will be going with it. But it’s definitely not absent from the show in season 1 even. The groundwork has been laid. And as someone who struggles with a lot of the same issues as Charlie, his characterization and story in season 1 made me cry because it hit me so personally.

thank you for this detailed response to my ranty post! I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me more abt the show. obviously, I haven't watched it-- in fact, I tried my best to stay away from news about it bc it squicked me out-- so I'm glad to hear that Alice has spoken some about the fact that heartstopper (comic) glossed over the harder parts of Charlie's story. that same ''glossing over'' was why I stopped being able to read heartstopper (in 2021 sometime?)

I would really love it if season 2 does touch more on Charlie's mental illnesses! and I'm happy they have laid the groundwork for it-- from my distant perspective, the show really looked like a fluff piece, which (obviously) broke my heart. I read solitaire as a self-harming, anxious and compulsion-ridden teen and saw myself in so many parts of both Tori's and Charlie's stories. Without saying that I'm glad you've struggled, it's reassuring to know that you could relate to the show's characters (as it means that I might too, if I could get over my hesitations).

I totally get that heartstopper (show) had to make concessions for time and planning reasons: I have a whole separate rant stored in my heart about the fact that so few TV show get to plan for a multi-series story arc like they used to. in any case, you've convinced me: I'll unblock the tag when I hear s2 is out, and see if little ol' teen me will get the heartwrenching moments that I once loved Solitaire for!

#seriously thanks for sending this #i really do appreciate hearing other perspectives #because the only ppl i've talked to abt the show have been ones who didn't have the same teenagerhood as i did :P #and just to say also: my perspective here is very self-centered #obviously other people will get other things out of these stories #but because I'd been following AO and their books for a long time #it was (parasocially? I guess?) disappointing to find out that the comics and show weren't holding with my vision of the chars #I'm cringing at my own neediness here #but i just mean i'm aware the show never had to be designed for me and that they can do what they wante #also also you're so kind for taking your time to write this up for me #and i'm sorry that you relate to Charlie #and if I do end up watching the show #i'll have you to thank :)#upsidedowntalks #heartstopper

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