i'm seeing the jance posts and i do have some thoughts about that but i'm also in a hurry so i guess i'll make a more general post about Everything™
some fans seem to forget they're only fans and try to act more like friends than anything else (i see this mostly on twt and instagram). and since joker out interact a lot with the fandom, i guess people forget about the boundaries and go wayyyy overboard on their behaviour. there are certin jokes and comments i'd do with friends and would never do with strangers which... they pretty much are? we only actually see what they want us to see (and no matter how genuine their public persona is, it's still a very small part of who they are)
i avoid interacting with the boys unless it's normal stuff like tagging them in a story about the show i went to or something. every single time i leave a comment on their social media i make sure it's something i'd actually say to their faces
and sure i'm a shipper and i say plenty of unhinged things on my tumblr but at the end of the day i also KNOW they're real people and they deserve respect and i'm a huge fan of shipping and whatnot being in fandom spaces
bring the 4th wall back, please
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I love how City of Stars gave us a lovely scene with two people openly talking about their preferences and what they enjoy in terms of sex...
... only for people to argue that "it didn't go far enough" and somehow the show "chickened out" because in the end Krom wasn't vers and stated that he enjoys bottoming.
Just ?? ???
First of all, Fueang did explicitly say (several times btw) that he enjoys both topping and bottoming so there's your vers.
But mainly:
Do people actually realise how amazing it is that someone in a cute and lighthearted BL like City of Stars openly talks about enjoying being the bottom? Because this is almost never talked about. Everyone (in BL fandom spaces) always just seems to assume that the top is the active and fun and dominating part and the bottom is passively indulging and enduring - which leads to this weird and unhealthy implication that bottoming is somehow lesser and unappealing and "not queer enough".
Yes, pushing for a more diverse showcase of (sexual) preferences in BL is a good thing, but not if it comes at the expense of dismissing or belittling other preferences. Hell, according to reddit the most vocal group of bottoms are straight men getting pegged by their female partners, while a lot of queer people don't even enjoy anal at all. Their preferences say exactly NOTHING about who they are as a person.
It's not a hierarchy with verses at the top (lol) somehow magically transcending all the evil tropes and stereotypes in BL. Sexual preferences aren't a character trait, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to bottom exclusively.
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could you tell me more about why you dislike femskk?
okay disclaimer before i begin: this is not meant to be a dig on every person who enjoys femskk. the biggest reason i don't like it is honestly because it's just not my cup of tea and honestly it really makes no difference to me if other people like it. but beyond that my biggest issues with it are
1. the phenomenon of fans "yuri-ifying" the most popular m/m ship and then using that to prove they like female characters and f/f ships. this is not a bsd-exclusive thing; it happens with stsg too and i don't like femstsg for the same reason. but there's a big difference between actually liking female characters and just genderbending (or even making transfem) the big m/m ship. i literally went to the f/f category in bsd on ao3 the other day looking for fics and about half of them are skk fics instead of fics about like. the actual female characters in bsd. who i was looking for fics of. similarly, there have been some redraw trends going around twitter - specifically the i prefer girls cover redraw - and i have seen. i don't even know how many femskk redraws of that (along with a couple femfyolais and a femrimlaine) but only one redraw with actual female characters from bsd. same with the scene 14 redraw that was going around, and while that one wasn't originally two female characters, i have still seen significantly more femskk (and femsigzai, femsigchuu, femfyolai, etc) than i have ships with even one character who is female in the source material.
and imo this phenomenon is made even worse in the bsd fandom bc so many fans just see bsd as the skk show. so of course they're writing off the actual female characters; they literally don't care about anything besides skk. and obviously i can't do anything to force anyone to care about other characters but like.... bsd has so many other wonderful characters and dynamics (both romantic and platonic) that a good half of the fanbase won't even glance at because they're not skk. i do like skk, but bsd is about so much more than just them. they are, objectively, only one small part of it. like if you only care about skk, then just be outright about it and don't pretend you're "proving" you like female characters and sapphic ships bc you like femskk too
2. of the fans who only like skk and nothing else about bsd, most of them. don't even characterize dazai and chuuya correctly? i think the some of the best skk characterizations i've seen have been from people who actually like other characters and ships too, and some of the worst skk characterization i've seen has come from people who literally don't care about any other ships or characters. this isn't a hard and fast rule obviously but even with 30k skk fics on ao3, i have struggled to find ones that actually feel true to their characters. and the characterization seems to only get worse when it's femskk. if you're just going to turn femdazai and femchuuya into two completely different people, what's the point in it even being skk? why not write k.ousano or h.igugin or even a ship with one canonically female character? if you have to change the core characteristics of both dazai and chuuya... do you even really like them?
3. about femdazai: i actually don't mind the transfem dazai headcanon in general but most fans get her wrong. i made a post about it here but basically so many times i see femdazais that are just. completely unrecognizable as dazai. you can't strip away core aspects of dazai like idk the fact that dazai doesn't show any skin from neck to toe just because you made her a girl. i have seen some femdazai that's good! but i have seen so much that is just fundamentally wrong for dazai's character as a whole. mostly on twitter.
4. about femchuuya: i really truly just don't get femchuuya. i THINK the hype here is probably bc lesbians seem to get attached to chuuya (which. valid. i am also a lesbian chuuya fan.) and so they want to draw a chuuya they can be attracted to (i.e. femchuuya) which like. cool whatever i'm not here to judge. but looking at it from a "would this character actually identify as female" perspective, i don't actually think i can picture that for chuuya. maybe it's just because i so strongly hc them as nonbinary? idk. this one is honestly just a neutral "i don't see that but you do you"
tl;dr: from what i've seen, femskk is often mischaracterized, and genderbending the big m/m ships in a fandom is often a way fans "prove" they like the female characters and f/f ships while not actually caring about anything other than their main m/m ship
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Unexpected thing I discovered today: the Bad Buddy fandom is a bit of an outlier with its penchant for PWP!
(Well, based on the few fandoms I could think of that I compared it to, anyway.)
What I did was basically compare the ratios of [number of fics with the PWP tag/total number of fics in the fandom] for a bunch of different fandoms on AO3, where I picked the fandoms based on what caught my fancy - so let's call it random sampling so it sounds better.
The highest was Hades (the video game) with about 6.5% of the fics being PWP (unsurprising, Hades remains the horniest fandom I've ever looked up, you go Hades fandom). Setting that aside, the average of the other fandoms was between 1.5% to 2%.
Except Bad Buddy, which had 4.6% fics tagged PWP.
So then I looked at averages. I looked up the most popular fandoms in the PWP tag (i.e., the fandoms which had the most PWP fics), and the top five were Harry Potter, BTS, BNHA/My Hero Academia, MCU, and Supernatural. All of them were at 2%ish, except BTS which had about 4%.
I also looked at the most popular fandoms in general, based on these stats by destinationtoast in 2022. The top 5 fandoms and the percentages of PWP fics were:
MCU - 2.4%
Harry Potter - 2.2%
Supernatural - 2.6%
BNHA/My Hero Academia - 2.7%
Video Blogging RPF - 1.6%
Again, Bad Buddy has 4.6% PWP fics - close to double of nearly all the top 5 fandoms.
Admittedly, these are all small percentages so idk how much significance that 2% difference really has. And the fandoms are wildly different in terms of number of fics and stuff. But it's still interesting to me.
I even compared it to KinnPorsche and Only Friends because they're better known for sexual themes and have overlapping audiences with Bad Buddy. KP clocks in at 3.6% PWP fics, making it lower than Bad Buddy (but it also has 11k total fics compared to Bad Buddy's 2k, fwiw).
Only Friends is actually on track to beat Bad Buddy - out of 803 total fics, 4.7% are PWP.
Still, I think Bad Buddy stands out because here, canon's themes aren't particularly explicit, but it still has more PWP than most fandoms I looked at. (I actually looked at nearly 20 fandoms before I got too sleepy to keep going, but I'm not listing them all out because some of them had fewer than 1000 fics so the sample space might be too small and stuff.)
So yeah, the Bad Buddy fandom is horny and I, for one, am very much here for it :]
(I also looked at the % of E-rated fics (not just PWP) and in that category, Bad Buddy didn't particularly stand out. Actually, there it was Only Friends that came the closest to giving Hades a run for its money in terms of which fandoms have the most explicit works.
Aside from that I also noted the % of PWP fics that are E-rated, but I am too sleepy to make sense of those numbers, and besides, every fandom has those numbers in the 80-100% range anyway.)
(Also why am I posting this on this blog? idk. I usually put all fandom stats-y posts on a different sideblog but mhmm I felt like switching it up today. If I ever expand on this post - big if, that - it'll go back to that other sideblog.
Though I probably won't come back to this because I have the attention span of a fruit fly, there is more stuff to explore! Like, from a very superficial look around, it looks like South East Asian shows' fandoms may have a higher-than-usual ratio of PWP fics? I'd like to look into that properly and see if that's an actual thing or just true for the few fandoms I looked at.)
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