#I will be doing more on 2012!steve & tfatws bucky

[holistic-alcoholic]

prompt list: winteriron endgame fix-it ideas

made for the WI discord server event!

Steve gets dusted instead of Bucky. Bucky has to take in his teenage grandniece who’s left without any family but him after the snap & they bond. Meanwhile Tony adopts Peter and Harley (undusted but left without guardians as well). Bucky has to live in the compound (as a condition of his pardon) and thus he & Tony bond over three depressed kids running around and fall in love (get together before the 2nd snap, do the time heist together perfectly, manage to shock Steve. A lot)

After endgame Tony (who is definitely alive) is a single dad living with Morgan in retirement (him & Pepper platonically got a kid or divorced?). Bucky goes around with his list, gets to Tony. Tony, hearing him: so what it is, where did you get this idea? What are you doing? Your therapist did what? Fucking Christ ok hold my child. I will tell you what’s wrong here and find you a normal doctor

(A continuation of the last one) Bucky & Tony are in the awkward pining friends stage. When the whole plot of tfatws starts, Zemo says that he won’t help them unless they get Tony in there (he wants to watch Tony & Bucky in the same room and suffer). But obviously they have dealt with their shit & bonded already, so they basically pretend they hate each other in front of him, but then change to awkward flirting the moment they are out of their room. Sam watching all of it: 🙄🙄🙄

Tony snaps, doesn’t die but is heavily wounded. He’s fully paralyzed and all the doctors say that it’s incurable (including Strange, no magical solutions too, since it was the stones). He’s hurting a lot and needs a lot of care, but he hates being like this, so he acts out, and everyone around him are tired and become snappish sooner or later. Everyone except Bucky, that is, who appoints himself to be Tony’s nurse. In several years Tony can move, walk, talk freely — mostly by the power of stubborn (his and Bucky’s). But when he’s all fucking hell you repaid me everything and more, stop doing this, this is horrible for you, I’m unbearable — Bucky replies with you really think I could do this out of guilt? I love you you dumbass

Time heist with Bucky! where he completely derails the 2012 timeline, reveals himself to 2012!Steve and Tony, hangs out with them telling them spoilers and keeps flirting with 2012!Tony. Tony is very flustered, because it’s A LOT of flirting. What is happening. Also Bucky used to be his gay awakening in the teenage years so it doesn’t help. 2012!Steve is just like yeah it’s pretty in-character for him actually you’re his type but all this future stuff is a LIE you won’t trick me LOKI

#winteriron #prompt #fic ideas

[booksandabeer]

so this isn't on the fic rec asks sheet you posted but I was wondering if you're following any wips at the time? And if yes, do you have one your most excited about about updates?

(english isn't my first language so sorry for any mistakes)

Hello there, inquiring person! 

I do indeed follow some WIPs, let's do a little round-up of what comes to mind right now, shall we? 

(this is by no means a complete list of all the WIPs I follow and there are also quite a few that I haven't even gotten started on but I just *know* will be fantastic, but even I can't read everything all at once.)

Here we go:

the world on fire by burlesquecomposer | 54K, Ch 18/?, Mature

Author’s summary: Steve loves old vinyl records, doodles on his files, and cannot remember a time that he didn't serve the TVA. And that suits him just fine—that is, until stray variant Bucky Barnes, fresh out of HYDRA's grasp, drops into his time theater and makes Steve question everything he believes in.

I've rec'd this one before but I like it so much and I think that it is criminally underread, so I'm just gonna mention it here again. Please read this gem of a story. It's well written, has a super fun premise,  clever plotting, wonderful characterizations, and a firm grasp on the SteveBucky dynamic.

The Hand of a Devil by @tessabennet | 37K, Ch 13/30 Explicit | Part 3 in What I'm Looking For series

Author’s summary: While Steve is buried under Arctic ice, frozen in time, Bucky Barnes is alive; and he has been turned into a weapon by his enemies, living as the Fist of Hydra - the Winter Soldier. It is a half-life, and the years are long and full of pain, as the world keeps on changing. This is part three of the series, [...] it spans the years between 1945 and 2012, following Bucky during his time as the Winter Soldier, but also some other familiar faces along the way.

Can I interest you in 30 chapters (well, currently 13) of PAIN? It is very well-written pain, I promise! With lots of historical details, great mission chapters, lots of insights into the Soldier's and Bucky's mind (whenever he resurfaces), and a really interesting take on how the trigger words were implanted. I *think* this can be read without knowledge of the first two parts, but to get the whole experience and to really understand all the references (which is half the...umm...fun?): do yourself the favor and just start at the beginning.

The Last First Time by seapigeon | 55K, Ch 3/4, Explicit

Author’s summary: In which two men out of time decide to join forces to take down the worst version of the Time Variance Authority, and gain a lot more than just victory. [...] Part post-EG fix-it, part Loki journey of self-discovery, and part ‘Let Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes Be Happy’. Plus plenty of other things. 

I was a bit hesitant to read this at first since it also features Steve/Loki (and even a hint of  WWThreesome, but it’s really only a brief reference, and SteveBucky is very much endgame in this) and that’s usually just not something that I personally like to read. BUT I love and trust this author so I decided to give it a try anyway. And oh, I’m so glad I did. This story is not just an EG-Fix-it, it also improves immeasurably on parts of Loki, TFATWS, and even Wandavision. It is pretty much the smarter, kinder version of the MCU post-EG. 

And then we have two fics that haven’t been updated in a while, but they’re not abandoned (at least to my knowledge). I will literally drop everything and run to my laptop the very moment the next chapters of these get posted:

Let me go to the window by @743ish | 16K, Ch 3/?, Explicit | Part 4 in A Home Game series

Author’s summary: “He feels like he's been reading the whole day from a book, following each line with his finger, and now that they’re alone, in arm’s reach, with the deadbolt turned firmly on the door, he’s lost his place on the page. He doesn’t know how much he can do, how soon Bucky is willing to let him give in to this. How much longer Steve has to pretend he hasn’t been dying all day from wanting him.”

In 1952, Steve Rogers has begun to live again. Down the line, it's gonna cost him.

I guess I could categorize this as a Mid-century Shrunkyclunks AU? Steve still became Captain America in this universe, but he survived the war, and in 1952 he goes to a Baseball game and meets veteran Bucky Barnes, and things go from there. 

I guess you could read this part without the first three, but really why would you want to do this? Start at the beginning! The writing is exquisite & the characterizations are excellent, and on top of that you get an interesting exploration of how Steve would experience the political and social climate of post-war America in the 1950s and his role as a national symbol in it. I feel woefully incapable of conveying just how good this story is. It is so quiet and measured in a way, but also so full of capital-F Feelings. The author tagged this with ‘Intensely Requited Love’ and yes, that’s it. That’s exactly it.     

i will soar, then by @pinballbrain | 61K, Ch 8/9, Teen | Sam/Bucky!

Author’s summary:  Bucky Barnes gets a new therapist. But he's not the only one who needs to. aka Bucky gets his shit together and does right by Sam. 

A Post-TFATWS character study of Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson. Yes, it’s told from Bucky’s POV and it is Bucky-centric, but that doesn’t mean that Sam gets short shrift in this at all. He’s not treated as Bucky’s crutch or his therapist. Instead, they both grow, and learn from, and lean on each other, and it’s written with so much love and empathy for both characters--I honestly never want this to end! 

So there you have it, these are my recs for today. 

You can always send in more requests for recs or other questions if you feel so inclined!

#fanfic recs #stucky fic recs #stucky fanfic recs #stevebucky fic recs #stevebucky fanfic recs #sambucky fic recs #stucky #stevebucky #sambucky #my recs

[redvanillabee]

What is the worst meta you have encountered. What claim has been so preposterous that you have contemplated deleting the Internet. Please bless us with others’ failures of critical thinking

Trust me, Mundie, when I say I have wiped most of them from my brain. Otherwise I will surely have gone insane.

I do remember reading something that is clearly a headcanon being billed as a meta. I think it was something for TFATWS; someone was literally headcanoning what Sam and Bucky might have done during the off-screen downtime, either between episodes or in the time-skip in a montage. They were headcanons inspired by canon events and characterisation, sure, but they are theories, speculations, and creative writing on what Sam and Bucky have gone up to in that unmentioned time. Then that OP tagged the post as 'meta' and I just, *facepalm* my child, that is not meta. Meta is analysis. You wrote a headcanon post. Please learn the word.

The actual 'bad' take I've seen isn't one meta, but I see people keep trying to refute it, and it is: the idea that AC/AOS is somehow not MCU canon, and they need Marvel to somehow 'adopt' AC/AOS back and 'make it MCU canon'.

LIke, first of all, AOS literally is an offshoot of MCU; you have the same Coulson as in The Avengers (2012). Same for AC; you have the same Peggy Carter. Please. (Not to mention the fact that James D’arcy’s Jarvis has already been adopted into the MCU, a la Endgame.)

There was this whole deal about how AOS has split off from MCU from S5, and I really don't understand. They say that because Daisy prevented Earth from being shattered by her/Graviton, it has created a new branching timeline and therefore is no longer in the same MCU timeline.

Which. My brother in MCU. Allow me to point you to Agents of SHIELD Season 5 Episode 20.

Thanos was heading to Earth as the events of AOS S5 were unfolding. I really would say when Daisy prevented the Great Quakening from blowing Earth apart, she ensured that the real MCU timeline could continue, that there would still be an Earth for Thanos to land on and for the events of Infinity War to take place. How have they created a branching timeline please enlighten me.

Then those same people were saying that S6 was definitely not in the MCU timeline, because no one got blipped and the team did not address the Snappening. Again, my brother in MCU, do you know which other main MCU team didn’t get blipped? That’s right, OG6 Avengers. Just because no one got blipped doesn’t mean the blip didn’t take place.

As for the whole ‘the blip didn’t get addressed’ thing, I think we can all agree that Marvel is pulling a lot of strings in the background deciding what can/can’t AOS mention, but the plot of S6 does not suggest that it can’t take place concurrently with the aftermath of the blip. Think about how small the scope of S6 and S7 actually is. They were mostly in the Lighthouse, I think there was one park scene, they were in rural Ohio for a while, in a desolate temple somewhere...and then they travelled into the past! For all we know, while Daisy was busy containing that atomic bomb on Sarge’s death mobile, Steve could be out there holding a support group with gay Joe Russo.

There were some points made out there about continuity issues between AC/AOS and main MCU, but like—look, Marvel is three plot points wearing one big trench coat pretending to be one cinematic universe. There are loads of show out there with blatant plot holes or continuity issues, like Glee, but we don’t go around saying ‘x episode of Glee doesn’t count as canon Glee-verse’, right?

(Also. Since the beginning of the MCU, Disney’s been putting more and more Marvel attractions in Disneylands around the world, where the general premise is at least MCU-adjacent if not compliant. If you take a look at those Marvel attractions, you will find that AC/AOS are at least Disneyland-canon. In Avengers Campus Paris, there’s a restaurant furnished as ‘an old SSR facility’ that showed Peggy’s red hat from AC, as well as a picture of Michael Carter. In Hong Kong Disneyland, they put the Blitzkrieg Button in the Howard Stark section of ‘Stark Expo’, regularly play the AOS theme outside the SHIELD building, and feature the 0-8-4 from S1E02 in the SHIELD equipment room.)

So yea. This turned from lowkey dragging bad meta into writing essentially a counter meta.

#answers #likea-black-widow-baby #my meta #ac aos

[logicalstansadvice]

My issue was that most the characters had a clear path forward and Bucky did not./ Agree. I'm not sure Marvel knew what they were going to do with him in the future at that point so they left it open ended kind of.

Anon 2: If this was his closure, it was sloppy and wanting. // I wouldn't be surprised tho. When they killed off Black Widow in EG, I was in disbelief over how the writers apparently thought that this was a fitting natural conclusion to her story. I was sitting in the cinema thinking "This CAN'T be it, that's so bad.", so I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel now messed up with Bucky as well.

Anon 3: Reading some MCU rumors, I now understand why there was the rumor of Chris coming back. It seems that there are rumors that Sam would go to another world (multiverse) where Steve became an agent of Hydra, and he would have to fight Steve, Hydra and restore order.

Anon 4: There's a future MCU project I'd like to see Bucky star in that's Nomade than Thunderbolts. Steve Rogers was Nomad in the comics, it would be cool for Bucky because he didn't become Cap, but he would get something from Steve that fits more perfectly with who Bucky is.

Anon 5: I wanted a cameo of Bucky at T'Challa's funeral, but FTWS did that shit. T'Challa helped Bucky, I can't believe he won't be there for a tribute. I HATE FTWS show.

Anon 6: But if he said that years ago, things could have changed since then. >> Yes, he said years ago, and it may have changed, but even what he said years ago is coming true, which is scary, I mean, he said in 2017 that Wanda would be in DS2. Nobody knows who this guy was, he came out in 2012, spilled tea all over the MCU, deleted the account, and then came back with another account with more content. I hope he comes back.

Anon 7: because they prefer a dark sad tortured Bucky, / Sweetheart most don't prefer this crap, most want normal character development after more than 10 years of the character in this universe. Having closure is good, but it also needs to be well done IF TFATWS ending turns out to be the real ending for bucky, then let marvel delete their twitter account right away, because a lot of people will have questions. I said what I said.

Anon 8: it was sloppy and wanting>> After what they did to Steve Rogers. At least they didn't make him go back to marry the redhead he didn't even remember the name of.

Anon 9: I know a lot of fans hate the show because they prefer a dark sad tortured Bucky>> I hate the show because he didn't have a well written story, in fact almost everyone on the show was not well written at all, Sharon, Zemo, Walker, all very poorly written. But as said, he's the only character you don't know where he's going.

Anon 10: he said that the MCU had no future plans for Bucky // The only characters Marvel has no further plans for are where the character is explicitly killed off or the actor doesn’t want to play the role anymore. Every other character can return if Marvel finds a story reason to use that character. For example, who would have guessed that the Abomination—played by the same actor as in the Hulk movie—would ever show up again in the MCU, but he had a cameo in Shang-Chi and he will be in She-Hulk.

Anon 11: not all fans that were unhappy with the show prefer a dark, tortured Bucky. // Wanted to add my two cents. The show left me really unhappy with how it dealt with Bucky's trauma and healing because... It didn't deal with it at all. Many fans of his relate to him because of trauma, and many of us wanted to actually see him heal from it, but most of it was done off-screen. Not only that, but there was so much victim-blaming and ableism towards him in the show. I want to see a happy Bucky, but I also want to see how he gets there, in depth and in a way that is respectful of his character and to his fans.

Anon 12: They said it will be (skinny) Steve as the hydra stomper that fights Cap Carter. If it fallows last season, Bucky would probably be old or dead since he never fell off the train and got to live out the rest of his life. // they said in an ep of what if bucky would be old, and working as a secretary (someone said secretary of state?) so it might be steve who cap carter fights and she goes to ask bucky for help? unless there's two different eps bucky is in like in s1

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#logical stans advice #logicalstansadvice #opinion blog #sebastian stan #anonymous #bucky barnes #anthony mackie #tfatws

[lesbianrobin]

nobody roast me for having m*rvel opinions in 2021 but like. i just can't really get on board with bucky's storyline now that steve's gone. i don't mean to act like he can't be his own character independently of steve but i think the ending they gave steve just... did more than ruining steve's whole character. i think it also robbed bucky of getting any closure on his whole character arc so far and it makes his whole story seem kinda dumb and pointless.

there was never really any catharsis yknow? it's just... idk maybe my little 2012 stucky brain is too strong but like WHAT was the point of all of that if steve was just gonna ditch bucky of his own volition? what was the point??

i guess i could understand it if they made bucky's whole arc post-endgame be about him dealing with being abandoned by the one person he had to count on and having to learn how to move on from it, but from what i've seen of tfatws, they didn't do that. and of course they didn't because then they'd have to acknowledge that steve going back in time to be with peggy was stupid and selfish as fuck and completely out of character. so they can't do that. but what else can they do with bucky?

they already did the whole "man out of time dealing with ptsd and isolation" thing with steve. they already did the whole "ooh i'm a monster i was robbed of my autonomy i did bad things and i have to live with that" thing with natasha and bruce and wanda. if steve had stayed they could have done something new, you know? they might have considered what happens to two people who've always been close when they've spent significant time apart and changed as a result. they might have considered whether steve and bucky rely on each other to feel grounded in the present, or if they have an unhealthy tendency to encourage each other to live in the past. if they couldn't get chris evans, they might have let steve retire, had him offscreen wondering why bucky won't do the same, and explore the conflict that may arise from their different choices and how that impacts bucky going forward. they could have done a lot of things!!

but since steve is gone, bucky's just left with the same exact shit we've already seen them do in the mcu before a dozen times and he kinda just feels like... edgy steve. like he's shadow the hedgehog. and it sucks sdjncknm

#em talks #this is so embarrassing i'm falling back into my old stucky ways #marvel #bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky

[luna-rainbow]

I completely agree with what you said about tfatws making the fandom more toxic. I've been a part of the mcu fandom since 2012 and god do I miss what the fandom was like then. cacw was definitely the first big explosion of toxicity amongst the fans, and I ended up actually having to take a break from the fandom after endgame because it was just too much with how hateful everyone's gotten. I'd hoped when phase 4 started that maybe things had calmed down but if anything it's gotten worse. It's sucks because there's like...a tiny handful of people I feel comfortable interacting with and I have to block or avoid everyone else because it's impossible to do or say almost anything now without some part of the fandom losing their minds. It makes it so hard to enjoy the content now with everyone just screaming at each all the time

Thanks for the ask!

I have to say I probably wasn’t in the fandom until this year, even though I vaguely heard stuff through the years. I’m glad I stayed out of it, to be honest, during Civil War. I liked Tony as a character more than Steve and Bucky at the time, but even then I had a hard time justifying his actions (and yeah…watching people trying to justify it makes me 😬).

It’s a really disappointing direction from AoU I think, where they doubled down on the ethical differences between Steve and Tony. I can see why 2012 was a good year - it was the first time all the disparate fandoms came together, the movie ended with them working through their differences, and they were all going to live in the Avengers tower. Those were the good times.

Civil War conflated Steve’s moral grounding with his personal attachments, just as it did the same for Tony. And even today, a solid 6 years on, we still get microanalyses over who was in the wrong. It’s not possible to have a pleasant fandom for that, but in some ways it’s also not…uninhabitable, because Steve and Tony fans don’t tend to cross paths very much.

TFATWS is just unpleasant, because these guys are supposed to be sharing the main title, but they’re just so hostile throughout, and that hostility is carried over into the fandom. I think the other issue some of the newer stuff has is to nod at political issues without properly addressing them, but you can’t criticise the way it’s been handled because people interpret it as you criticising its actual presence instead of you exploring it critically.

#tfatws critical

[camelopardius]

I want to preface that yes, I recognize Comic!, EMH!, and 2012-fanfiction-air-vents!Clint supremacy, I am probably too sleep-deprived and fangirly to think straight/remember things correctly, and that yes, this was probably influenced by my ✨quirky✨ liking of cold weapons like swords, daggers, and yes of course, bow and arrows

This is also not aimed at you. I am not angry at you. I am just tired of thinking I have a bad taste in liking characters (well maybe I do)

Look, hot take, if you’re not saying “it should have been Thor” or “it should have been Steve” or “it should have been Hulk”, don’t say “it should have been Clint”

Like imagine you have this perfect family and friends

I know you do don’t pretend

And you lose it in an instant. Perfect relationships, all gone. Won’t you be on your villain arc? Mans cut his hair and got a ton of tattoos, got the whole mental breakdown setup

And I know going off killing people is wrong and only making Nat a redeemer trope (iirc) is also wrong but can’t you at least understand survivors guilt??

People see Pietro dying and don’t remember Clint literally shielding the kid with his own body, ready to die

People see nat dying and don’t remember Clint wanted it to be himself too

People don’t remember Clint figuring out the tesseract portal opens both ways before Erik fucking Selvig, just like Nat figuring out the stones’ placements before the PhD Havers™️

(Going on a stretch here) People don’t remember Clint risking exposure of his family to find a safe house for his team. They don’t remember Clint supporting his best friend (AoU helping Nat into the house when her love interest was RIGHT THERE) even when he himself was badly hurt (Avengers 2012, med bay)

They don’t remember Clint seeing the potential Avenger in Thor when he was crying in the mud like a baby. They don’t remember him introducing Ant-Man to the Avengers when nobody knew who he was and he ended up playing crucial roles in future films. They don’t remember him recruiting the Maximoffs and Natasha, looking past the bad things they did when they didn’t know better and believing that they can do good

Do people not think that without the Cap Fanboy Arc in the MCU, he teamed with Cap because he was once brainwashed and understood how Steve (and we) believed that Bucky did no wrong (and that we deserve more winterhawk content)?

Man I can go on and on about how in CACW Nat and him were just normal people w/o OP gear doin some cardio and fake fighting like the besties they are

Anyways, if the fans can spot the blurry pic in TFATWS’ museum is the one taken by that one person w a camera in CA:TFA of Steve holding that broken taxi door, they can realize that Clint is among the people who are able to throw the shield, presumably with minimal training (AoU, first fight with ultron after the party)

If they can deduce that Bucky is a rich kid from two lines (“my folks wanted to give you a ride” in CA:TFA: owning a car during the depression; remembering throwing what’s equivalent of ~$50 for a redhead girl in CA:CW) and then coming up with the headcannon of Bucky‘a family started the chain bookstore of Barnes & Noble, they can understand that Clint haS A PERSONALITY.

Please for the love of god stop doing him dirty in the TV series

Also if they gave him a family only for him to get divorced I’m coming for the writers

#hawkeye #clint barton #clintasha #winterhawk #jeremy renner #mcu

[anitalianfrie]

Endgame!Steve and why he doesn’t make sense

I saw Endgame two weeks ago (yeah, I know, a bit late but at least I did it) and from the start I felt like something was of about Steve. The fun fact is that if you hadn’t saw all the Cap’s film in like a week as I did and it’s been like three years since you saw one, all his choices are perfectly believable. And that’s what I hate about it.

One of the first scenes we see Steve in is when they go where Thanos is after the snap. While they are in the spacecraft, Steve looks sadly at his compass whit Peggy’s photo in. It makes a sort of parallel with CA:TWS, where Steve does the same exact thing at the museum. But in CA:TWS Steve hadn’t a life. He was still in the past in his mind. He hadn’t any friend, he overworked himself and it’s pretty clear his mental healt wasn’t exacly okay. The first step for starting his new life is his chat with Peggy, where se basically says “live your life now that you can big idiot”.

In Endgame his two bestfriends (Bucky and Sam) died like two days before and he was staring at Peggy’s photo, who died TWO YEARS BEFORE and he knew he couldn’t have her back since 2011 (seven years before). He even moved on with Sharon (even thought I don’t like their relationship, it is there so show that Steve is MOVING ON, so please, don’t ignore it). 

Beside that, your telling me that Steven Grant Rogers, the man who became an actual soldier because he wanted to save Bucky, who decided to burn down HYDRA after his death and who fucked up his entire relationship whit half of the Avengers and with Tony for him, didn’t even cry a tear? Yeah, very belivable.

And Sam? The man fucked his entire life for him, from helping him destroing HYDRA, to following him for two years all around the word to find Bucky, to helping him in the Civil War even thought he hates Bucky just because he is important fo STEVe, and you are telling me that Steve was staring at his fucking compass with PEGGY inside? PEGGY? At least Tony was watching a picture with him and Peter!

Five years after the snap, Steve is in a support group for people who lost someone in the snap. Who is he talking about? Bucky? Sam? The life he was sarting to have in the modern time? Obviously not, we are in a superheroes film and men are not allowed to have emotion unless they are for a love interest, so he is talking about Peggy. She hadn’t died in the Snap you big idiot! She was old and you KNEW soon or less her time would have come! Sharon doesn’t even exists anymore, RIP Sharon you could have been a good character if someone had bothered developing you.

Then there’s the time travel moment. Steve meets 2012!Steve and during the fight his brain finally decided to work. He’s fighting with himself, so wich way to win is better than cofusing the past version of himself with something he doesn’t know? So he uses his ace in the hole, that is, surprise suprise, Bucky. WoW, YoU wErE ReAlLy SaD AnD wOrRiEd ThE LaSt TiMe I ChEcKeD! You know, when he died in front of your eyes with you being unable to do something EXACLY LIKE THE FIRST TIME!

But don’t worry, because Endgame!Steve will soon return after found out that Peggy has a picture of skinny!Steve on her desk! But not one with her husband or her kids. If I were them I would have been extremely offended, like, I’m her kid/husband and she has the photo of that skinny bitch who died like thirty years ago and not mine.

Anyway at the end, after the funeral, the bitch (aka endgame!Steve) goes in the past to return all the gems and return as an old man. And Sam is there like “bitch, WTF?” because, you know, he hadn’t told anyone about his plan. Bucky knows, because he has the power (apparently because Steve told him, but I would like to, yanno, see it and not hear it in a line of TFATWS two years later) and... nothing else. That’s the end.

We don’t have a closure, whe don’t have anything more than a hug and a stupid line from CA:TFA, that was meant as a “see you later” and not as a “goodbye”. That doesn’t seem like a closure to me. Sam doesn’t even have that, he had a friend and now he has fucking shield and an old man who is probably going to die tomorrow.

All Steve’s development as a character was about moving on and learning that being a bit selfish wasn’t a bad thing, but for the sake of the first love that never dies (again, RIP Sharon) the writers threw away half of his development, giving us and ending that didn’t bring any closure, because Steve and Peggy had theirs in CA:TWS. 

In coclusion, they destroyed Steve’s development and characterization in the whole film to not make it feel like his ending was OOC, making Endgame!Steve in general OOC,

I really had to take this weight off my chest. Thanks for coming to my ted talk <3

#endgame #steve rogers #peggy carter #sam wilson #bucky barnes #endgame!steve #i hate steve's ending #i wish i hadn't seen it #no but seriously #tHaT sHiElD wAs ThE ClOsEsT tHiNg I HaD tO a FaMiLy no but seriously fuck you Steve #till the end of the line my ass #more like till the end of the lie #i don't even have words left to comment this #anti endgame #mcu

[ghostofskywalker]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, and I’m not trying to prove a point or anything, but I think I just need to get it off my chest.

I don’t like Steve’s ending, and it has nothing to do with Peggy or Bucky or any other ship.

It’s because I went through a lot of trauma at a pretty young age, and it was only around 2012 when I finally started to come to terms with the fact that it wasn’t just going to go away and I would actually have to find a way to deal with it. When the Avengers came out, Steve’s story really stuck with me, because it was all about how sometimes, through no fault of your own, bad things can happen to you and it’s not fair, but you can’t go back. All you can do is learn to deal with it and not let the trauma consume you until that’s all that’s left.

And with each movie that came out, I would see Steve adapting to the present a little more, and getting a little better each time. It was looking like Steve was going to be able to move on and he was going to be alright, even though he was robbed of the life he damn well deserved. And maybe I’m just too sympathetic to movie characters because I’m unable to connect with people in real life, but that made me feel like I could be okay too.

Steve Rogers taught me that you can’t go back and fix things, but you can take control of the here and now. He taught me that even with a traumatic past, I can still be alright.

So I guess that’s why it felt like a slap in the face when his story ended with him getting to go back and live the life he wished he had.

Anyway, thanks for listening. Sorry if this was annoying.

first of all, you’re absolutely not annoying. i completely understand where you’re coming from on that, and how steve’s ending was harmful to you. i got your other ask too, and i know that you’re not against any other character or anything, but unfortunately shipping language is all some people understand.

i don’t really like the ending because i strongly identify with peggy carter, and the fact that this movie reduced her to a voiceless love interest hurt me. to me, agent carter s1 was about getting over steve rogers, and like you said, accepting that you can’t change the past. 

my distaste for the ending also has less to do with the fact that i prefer another ship than it does the undoing of both steve and peggy’s character arcs, and to see people blame anyone but steve for the decision that steve made feels wrong. something similar has also happened with sharon carter. people hate her because her and steve had a fling (and yes it’s definitely a little weird if you accept the whole steve is actually her uncle thing) but  their hatred of her, the claiming that she had no character, seemed just like thinly veiled misogyny, just like so much of the bullshit being said about tfatws right now is just thinly veiled racism. 

it just wasn’t great writing in my opinion. i don’t actively speak to any people who liked the ending, but i don’t have any issue with those who like to examine steve and peggy’s relationship. i just don’t like how when people condemn the ending, they ignore the root of the issue and instead blame peggy carter. 

#ghostofskywalker.ask #anonymous #anti endgame

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Okay I watched too many stucky edits and now I’m pissed. Steve should have never gone back to Peggy and in this essay I will-

Okay but in all seriousness what kind of ending was that. You give us 3 movies of Steve literally pining after Bucky and sacrificing everything he has for him and then when he finally could have lived happily ever after with him (platonically or romantically idc) he leaves??? Explain that one to me Russo’s.

Peggy moved on, clearly, she had a family and a career. And Steve had known her for a few months tops!! And Bucky? Bucky was the only one that was there for him for most of his childhood.

Wasn’t Steve’s whole character arc about moving on too and adapting and finding the balance of tradition and progress?? So what’s this then? Him giving up on all of that after all?? Ugh it makes me mad.

(idk if this has been said before and time travel is weird so who knows) but isn’t Steve technically and willingly living through all those years Bucky was being tortured. Like sure he probably shouldn’t go fuck with the timelines but don’t you think that’d bother him??? He wake up to the sound of birds and sits down to read the Sunday paper on a crisp June morning in fucking 1962 or some shit, fully knowing his best friend (who he risked everything for) is being held in some Soviet prison being electrocuted and forced to murder innocents. Like don’t you think that’d cross his mind, and like bother him a little bit.

Also the practicality of a man who lived through 2012 - 2025 (or whatever) going back to live in the 40s? Like what does he tell Peggy? Does he just pretend nuclear weapons don’t exist?? Does he pretend to not know who wins the Cold War? Be supprised at 9/11? Does he ever mention the internet?? Does he talk about Thanos? New York? DC? Does he talk about Tony, Nat, Sam, Bucky??

We are literally never shown the impact of his relationship with Peggy besides seeing him cry at her funeral, but his impact on Bucky?? Astronomical. Bucky owes his entire life to Steve, Steve dropped his shield for Bucky, twice, and in civil war Bucky is willing to hurt anyone to escape that apartment in Romania and he only doesn’t because Steve was there to stop him and by episode 5 of tfatws he won’t shoot Zemo, who do you think inspired that in him? Also like the obvious “I’m with you till the end of the line” like how much more powerful is that than the fucking “I’ll need a rain check on that dance” like tell me which scene made you feel something. Two best friends both lost and confused but one strong enough to stop fighting and that act of kindness pulling the other out of the dark enough to save them both. Or Steve and his fucking crush of 3 months being mildly upset that he has to save the world.

Idk what my point is anymore just enjoy these thoughts I guess. Also this is not Peggy hate, I think she is a lovely, strong, character. I just don’t think her ending was good.

#this sounds way more aggressive than I intended #I was not planning to write this much good lord #marvel #steve rodgers #bucky banres