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mischief-lies-and-stories · 9 months

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Since this is my first post on this blog, I figured I’d layout some basic information about who I am as a fan and what this blog will be about. This will be a pinned post. (If I can figure out how to do that. I’ve been a Tumblr vet of 13 or 14 years, well before pinned posts were a thing. And if there’s one thing tumblrinas are, it’s stubborn as all hell and resistant to change. So I’ve never made a pinned post before.) I’m sorry it’s so long; I’m a rambler. But let’s jump into it.

My basic, core text for my Loki fan-hood, my Gospel of Loki religion, if you will, at least in the comics and what I’m always trying to assimilate into the MCU and any other comics that I read is Loki: Agent of Asgard by Al Ewing, which started its run in 2013. That’s probably where I get most of my theories and headcanons and how I characterize Loki. So if you’re confused about something I’m stating as a fact, it’s probably because it’s something I got from Agent of Asgard, especially when I’m talking about Loki as a comic book character rather than in the MCU. Regardless of who wrote the comic that I’m talking about or if what I’m referencing was even in AoA at all, I’m probably stacking it against how Loki is characterized in that comic run. Though I will try to state that that’s where I’m getting that theory or assumption about Loki.

Regardless of what source, even if I’m talking about the mythological Norse deity, it doesn’t matter, Loki is genderfluid (in my definition of the term as a genderfluid person, not the MCU’s definition of the term and in some cases not even the comics’ definition of the term) and either bisexual or pansexual. I usually say pan, but people are saying bi in terms of the MCU. The thing is, I don’t think we ever really get an explicit statement about one or the other for him. What we do get in the comics is him saying that on Asgard, there are sexual acts, not sexual identities. So he doesn’t even see himself as having a sexual identity, it’s just who he’s attracted to at any given time. So really it could go either way. Additionally, I tend to use he/him or they/them pronouns when talking about Loki unless I’m specifically referencing a moment in the comics (or one of my fics) when Loki is a woman, just because most of the time in anything (movies, tv shows, novels, comics) Loki seems to be presenting as a man. (He’s also said in the comics that any pronouns are fine whenever.)

I ship Loki with a lot of characters, both MCU and characters as yet exclusive to comics or Marvel-commissioned novels. However, I tend to ship him with a lot more guys than women. I do also ship him with one little known genderfluid character (I’ll probably talk about them in another post and why I ship them with him). This doesn’t mean I’m against him being with a girl. I just think that he has this running habit both in the comics and as we’ve seen a little bit on the show (and Mackenzi Lee’s Where Mischief Lies), where he chooses women who turn on him almost immediately. And I’m tired of it. Maybe I’ll get into that a little more in a later post (they say, continuing to make promises they likely can’t keep), about the juxtaposition between the men that I ship him with or that he canonically gets with for a little while and how they treat him versus the women that he is--because of the heteronormative world we live in--more often canonically together with, and how they tend to treat him.

Which leads me to state, I am a Sylki anti. I’m sorry to those of you who may ship that (assuming there’s anyone who’s going to be looking at this blog). I won’t tag any of my hate, but it may come up in searches sometimes, when you aren’t searching the tag but mentions of the word, so sorry, I can’t control that. I’m not a selfcest shipper in general (with the small exception of Moon Knight, but that’s a conversation for a blog I’m not going to make). I’m not a Sylvie hater, though. I just hate the ship. I love Sylvie and would die for her and she’s perfect and can do no wrong, except for that one time she kissed Loki. Also I absolutely do think that Loki would fuck himself in a heartbeat, I just don’t want to see it and I don’t ship it. I probably won’t talk about it too much, unless I’m ranting about the show being so no-homo that they created selfcest. But again, I will never tag my hate; I’m not looking for a fight and that shit’s just petty. Don’t do it, guys.

So this blog itself will be a variety of things: rank lists, essays because I have a lot to say about this character (and right now I’ve been forcing my best friend to deal with all my feelings), photos and descriptions of my collection (because I recently put it all together in its own spot and I have a lot of shit and it just keeps growing because I cannot help myself), plugs for my Loki fics (I’m very nervous about going online and saying “I wrote this, please read it” but then I go on AO3 like “Why is nobody reading this? :(((” so this is the place I’m going to try to do that sometimes), as well as anything else Loki related that I feel like talking about. I might reblog some things I find elsewhere, but it’s not likely, at least not at the beginning. I’ll also do my best to source anything that isn’t mine.

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worstloki · 3 years

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Isn't Loki canonically pansexual?

Comic Loki is bisexual and genderfluid and has been written such since Al Ewing’s Agent of Asgard run.

Confusion comes in with bi/pan being seen as interchangeable and/or because Mackenzie Lee’s novel Where Mischief Lies had Loki being pansexual.

Tom Hiddleston recently said Loki is pansexual, but he was aware around TDW that Loki is bisexual/genderfluid in the comics.

#I think they may go with pansexual for the show but Loki is bi in the comics canonically!#a lot of people use bi/pan interchangeably so you'll see me referring to Loki as bi/pan because it's kinda unclear really #the novel Loki was pan and the comics one is bi though essentially #I feel bad bc poor pansexuals want rep too and use bi/pan since it's a grey area with Loki being both in different texts #I probably shouldn't do that #but some people feel it's pan erasure or bi erasure and then everyone is unhappy #for the record on HCs though I see myth loki as pan comic loki as bi and mcu loki as ace but that's not on canon that's on me

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616skydalorian · 2 years

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Tik Tok has been showing me thousands of this edits with the 'Grow a Pear' by Ke$ha song with their own headcanons about the Marvel characters sexuality and I just have to do it.

First of all, as a bi girl, I have to start with my bi pals: Tony, Peter Parker, Valkyrie, Loki and Peter Quill. 4/5 have been confirmed in a certain way and it makes me so fucking happy. I am also going to put Clint here, I am sorry but I love his comic counterpart so much to not put him here and I have the biggest hope for the Hawkeye show to make him a lil' better. Also know by me as the people with the coolest music taste in the MCU I just know it because it's a bi superpower. Also Sylvie! And FUCKING STEPHEN STRANGE

This may be (or not) a controversial opinion: Steve, Bucky, Sam, Bruce are all gay. I say the controversy thing beacuse especially the first three are seen as bi/pan but I just... can't? For me Steve and Bucky's romantic feelings for women in the MCU are due to comphet (don't get me started on Bruce and Nat) and Sam has never had a love interest but his relationship with Riley kind of fits. Also, Mobius AND PIETRO? and MY MAN RHODEY and his life time crush in Tony? I am fucking sure.

really personal thought but Steve, Sam and Bucky are all in a closed poly relationship. stop the sambucky/stevebucky wars.

Next are what I like to call Fury's lesbians: Carol, the OG and the oldest daughter, Maria Hill, the middle child and Natasha, the littlest daughter. (Fury treated Nat like a daughter way more than this Alexei motherfucker, fight me on this, cowards!) Then you have Maria Rambeau, Carol's girlfriend that Fury secretly also loves so much.

Bruce and Nat could have been the cutest queerplatonic relationship ever but Marvel are cowards.

We can not forget the pan pals: Thor, because somehow living thousands of years gives me a pan vibe, Wanda because is the anything more pansexual than loving an android, and my man T'Challa who everyone always forgets in these: I dont know how to explain it but this man has the BIGGEST pan energy ever. Also see: my girl Pepper Potts.

Also my asexual people! We have Yelena, Gamora, Nick and Heimdall who are ace/aro and they have always had beautiful relationships, just not romantic ones. And then Nat and Bruce who are both homoromantic aces and NO ot has nothing to see with either the Red Room or the Hulk they ARE ace. What I do think, though, is that both facts have intruded in their relationship with sex: they are probably sex-repulsed and they just understand eachother so well.

Then demisexuals a demiromantics beacuse they do not get talked about enough. Hello? Mr. Steve Rogers and his whole 'I want somone with a shared life experience?' T'Challa because I just know once he connects with people he just falls in love, he cant help it. My man Stephen Strange and Pepper Potts, I just know it. My heart also says Peter Parker.

Another unpopular opinion but Tony, Pepper, Rhodey and Stephen would make an amazing polycule but insert audio of "nobody thinks what I think"

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make-loki-happy-again · 3 years

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A lot of people say it is biphobic and bi erasure to be unhappy at the thought of Loki ending up with a feminine presenting character. And I agree. Very, very often it is.

But as a bisexual woman myself, I am unhappy about that too. Not because I think bi characters should not end up in a "straight" relationships or because I have some unhealthy need for gay ships with any character I like.

I am dissappointed because they confirmed Loki as bi/pan but didn't show us any of it. They could have showed us Loki in queer relationships or situations. Then giving him a girlfriend wouldn't bother me at all (even if selfcest seems a bit questionable for the main canon relationship - but you know what? I don't care, they can go for it, she is kinda cool).

Some easy examples:

1. They could have showed us Loki flirting with a man instead of a woman on that plane (don't get me wrong, she was really cute and I liked that scene, but it's just to make a point about how easy it would be to show he can be flirty with men).

2. Even tho I don't think Loki and Mobius would be a healthy relationship and I never really shipped them or wanted for them to become canon, they could give us some obvious scenes of them flirting or even just of Loki trying to flirt to gain his trust/sympathy or to fool him.

3. Instead of the scene with Lady Sif (that was imo performed really well by the way, they both did a great job here!) they could have showed us a painfull memory with a male lover. Maybe getting rejected? Maybe finding out he is dead or even seeing him die in a battle? Maybe even showing that Asgard can be a homophobic place by having someone mock Loki for his interests (and the climactic point, instead of Loki apologising, would be Loki openly standing up against that, proud of who he is). I am just brainstorming, I know those are not perfect queer representation ideas, especially if this would be the only "queer" moment for Loki. But it was still an opportunity to give us something.

Or they could show us some "wlw looking" moment with Sylvie! That would work too even tho she is not the main character here. Maybe some cute moment with Hunter B-15?

Instead, they gave us Loki flirting with a woman on the plane and then hinted that the endgame may (or may not) be Loki and his feminine presenting version and that their romantic love may be some super powerful thing. It is disappointing. It's like they confirmed his bi/pansexuality but are only willing to explore one side of it.

And honestly, I don't even dislike the idea of Loki "falling for himself". I just wish they gave us a bit more of his bi/pansexuality on screen instead of just jumping into the relationship that can be seen as "straight", at least from the outside perspective, immidiatelly after confirming that they are both bi/pan.

EDIT: I realised I called Sylvie a woman and I changed that to feminine presenting character because even tho they didn't mention it in the show, I still believe that Sylvie is genderfluid just as Loki is and that we will get some proof of that in canon.

I also feel the need to clarify: I don't dislike this ship and I won't be angry or sad if it becomes canon. They are cute together and I don't care at all if it's selfcest or not.

And yes, bisexual people are still bisexual, no matter who we date. Our relationships don't define our sexuality. Please don't say they made Loki or Sylvie straight! Instead you can say, for example, that their relationship is straight-passing. ^-^

But it is still sad that big companies always choose to portray only the "safe part" of our sexuality.

It's the same with their genderfluidity. Presenting the way they do doesn't make them any less genderfluid. I just wish they showed us some bigger hint on screen instead of making one of them presenting feminine and using only she/her pronouns all the time and the other presenting masculine and using only he/him pronouns all the time without a hint for anything else and never mentioning it (but I am very cis myself so I feel like this is not my place to be a judge of that).

Still, I am really happy that Loki is confirmed bisexual even if it was only one sentence! I enjoy the show and I have nothing against Loki and Sylvie! 🖤

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