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#OTD in 1916 – Eoin MacNeill's last minute bid to call off the Easter Rising.
The letter penned on Easter Saturday, 22 April 1916, by Irish Volunteers chief Eoin MacNeill, dispatched to rebel leaders in an effort to call off the planned revolution. “Volunteers completely deceived. All orders for to-morrow Sunday are entirely cancelled,” says the note signed by MacNeill on what is now a tatty piece of paper, embossed with an address at Rathfarnham, Dublin. It was as a…
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I have been trying to find an answer online but I can't quite find what I'm looking for, if you don't mind can you help provide some insight?
Basically my question is did the medival people of Ireland honest to god believe in pseudo historical texts like the Book of invasions and related traditions. Like they believed in 6 waves of people coming to ireland under Christian cosmology.
Or was this more of a literary tradition for generally understood to be fictional or not quite accurate stories?
So it's been. Months. But if it's any consolation, this DID thoroughly haunt me!
I also cleared it with a colleague of mine who does work on like. Medieval Irish conceptions of history, so it's been vetted by Someone Who Is Not Me, at least the rough outline (I am NOT showing them my Tumblr, god forbid.)
And...for the most part? Yeah. They did. They sometimes argued FIERCELY over little details, like the Tuatha Dé coming in a cloud of mist or whether or not they burned their ships, or whether they were doing it to get away from Lugh. They cited texts that they thought were particularly authoritative, like the Holiest of the Holies, the now-lost Cín Domma Snechtai, they refuted other scribe's suggestions, sometimes very aggressively. I mean, you have scholars into the 20th century believing in this, at least to some extent or another, like Eoin MacNeill in his Phases of Irish History (1919) or T.F. O'Rahilly in his Early Irish History and Mythology (1946). Obviously not in terms of like. The Tuatha Dé as a supernatural race of people, but in the sense of what might best be described as extreme euhemerization, using these medieval texts as a way of trying to unveil a lost Irish pre-history. (It goes without saying this is NOT my approach and not how most of us approach the field, but it was quite common decades ago.)
Geoffrey Keating, in the 17th century, would write his History of Ireland, which used LGE as one of its key pieces of evidence in his attempt to hit back against less than savory accounts by anglophone scholars, of Irish history. "LOOK at our history, LOOK at our glorious past, LOOK at what we can do." It's imminently sympathetic, honestly. (Though Geoffrey shouldn't be taken to be credulous -- he explicitly says that Cath Fínntragha, for example, was not to be taken as a true historical account.) There's a bit, perhaps slightly amusing by modern standards, in his prologue where he says, "Cambrensis [Gerald of Wales], who undertook to give a correct account of everything, appears to have received a medley of fables from some dunce or blind man, for he has said nothing of the conquest of the Tuatha-De-Dananns, who possessed Ireland one hundred and ninety-seven years, during which time nine kings of their nation rules the island."
This is a man who does, firmly, believe in what he's saying and in the veracity of the sources that he has. We also see LGE and the pseudohistorical scheme in general being adopted by Keating's contemporaries, such as Dubhaltach mac Fhirbhisigh (Leabhar na nGenealach) and Roderic O'Flaherty (Ogygia), some of the best scholars of their day and men who...this is my bias speaking, but I trust them. Especially Dubhaltach. I don't have my copy to hand, but the way he speaks about his sources, the way that he's willing to argue with them even as he includes them in his work...I believe him. Or. Let me rephrase that. I believe that HE believed in what he was saying, and I believe in his integrity as a scholar. They're men who absolutely have an angle! But they're men who are using the sources that they have to defend their country from some truly awful slander using the best materials they have at the time, as methodically as possible.
Charles O'Conor, one of the, in my opinion, crucially overlooked scholars of the 18th century, a man who the field owes a massive debt to for his activism and his large collection of manuscripts (some of which, through a story I'll tell sometime if anyone's interested, become the Stowe Collection), was skeptical, saying that Keating's work, "Is a most injudicious Collection; the historical part is degraded by the fabulous, with which it abounds. Keating was one of those laborious Readers, who, in making Extracts, do it without Selection or Discernment; and suchWorks (as the judicious Mac-Firbis observes -- ought never to be published." Personally, while I appreciate boosting Dubhaltach and his work, I think he's too harsh on Keating. It's very easy to judge someone's scholarship when you're living a century ahead of them. He is much more skeptical than Keating, trying to compare native sources up against other contemporary histories of Europe, but he DOES still use LGE as a vital source -- he doesn't discount it or its invasion scheme entirely. He is still very much treating it as a historical document, albeit one that he doesn't fully believe in. (Especially since he's kind of fighting with James MacPherson, of Ossian fame. Because apparently getting into massive public debates with people whose work is enjoying a lot of popularity and that we think involves shoddy research is a time honored tradition in the field.)
But there is a reason why it gets picked up, even into the 20th century, because when you've had your history continually belittled and marginalized, when your language has been driven to the point of near extinction, when you are constantly told that you don't HAVE anything worth being proud of, not compared to the Grand History of England or the classical tradition, that you're a nation of barbarians and beggars...of course you want to believe in it. Of course you want to believe that you can salvage SOMETHING. Especially since these are your ancestors saying it. Your ancestors, reaching across this seemingly insurmountable chasm of time, telling you "look, this is your history." Do I think everyone in medieval Ireland agreed with it? Probably not. There was probably at least one person who was like "well...do we KNOW, though?" In the same way as there were very likely people who thought "King Arthur...did he exist?" Or those oddballs in the modern day who claim the Roman Empire didn't exist. There are always going to be people who are a little skeptical, even of what are the generally accepted truths of a certain time period, but I would say that in general? The trend we see is broad belief, because this is the best historical source that people had for centuries -- they had no reason to strongly doubt it, even if they argued over the details.
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werewolfetone · 23 days
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Eoin macneill issuing a counter-order to the volunteers after learning that the german arms shipment had been intercepted in 1916 like pearse thinks he's funny well I'm about to be hilarious
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badkarmaviscomm · 6 months
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SP - Researching the relationship between English and Irish - ISTD
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To gain a better understanding of how to communicate language oppression through metaphor, I decided to conduct a case study into the politics between English (the oppressor) and Irish (oppressed). As English colonisation was particularly key in oppressing this language, the movement to revive the language could be supported by the English speaking regions in order to promote the cultural heritage of Ireland as well as provide a form of reparations. Maybe reparations could be explored more than oppression, ethical AI might be able to acknowledge their oppression of language and have methods in place to stop it.
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Language oppression can be internalised, in this example he was embarassed to speak his native language of Irish around his English speaking friends
Irish as a language is highly descriptive language despite it being viewed as 'primative' or 'lesser than' by the English perspective
'But Brexiteers don’t always see the strong parallels between Great Britain wanting to leave the European Union, and that one time, still in living memory, when the Republic of Ireland wanted to leave the United Kingdom.'
'one of the most influential thinkers and leaders of the Irish revolution was a linguistic scholar turned political revolutionary, Eoin MacNeill. MacNeill was a co-founder of the Conradh na Gaeilge, the Gaelic League, which aimed to preserve Irish language and culture.'
'He became a key figure of the Gaelic revival. No one could have guessed that the grassroots revival of an almost dead language would be so dangerous, so threatening, to those who were in favor of the union with Britain.'
'French argues that Eoin MacNeill’s scientifically-approached linguistic research on the Irish language, as well as his linguistic ideology that language and nationhood were intertwined (and this could be inclusive rather than negatively exclusive), would play a huge role in the quest for Irish sovereignty for all those who thought of themselves as Irish.'
'It’s actually one of Europe’s first, pre-Christian literary languages, thousands of years older than English. Yet it’s now spoken regularly by only about 2% of the Irish population. It’s called “Gaeilge” in Irish, and “Irish” in English by the Irish, and often (improperly) “Gaelic” by non-Irish others, or “Irish Gaelic” to distinguish it from its mostly mutually intelligible dialectal sibling, “Scottish Gaelic” (also known, confusingly, as “Gaelic”). And of course there’s (Irish) English, which is the more prominently spoken of Ireland’s two official languages'
'Classical Irish, an early modern literary standard of the language used by the Irish majority, began to fade out by the seventeenth century, as its speakers were “annihilated or dispersed” through a concerted, long-running campaign of ethnic cleansing, in which a third of the population was killed through execution or starvation or banished into slavery in the Carribbean. The destruction of the language was often part of official British policy, such as the law that the Irish must take on English surnames or lose their property. In 1585, British statesman Sir Henry Sidney told the king he thought the best solution for controlling these unruly people who refused to accept they were British was “all brehons [judges], carraghes, bards, rhymers, friars, monks, Jesuits, pardoners, nuns and such like, to be executed by martial law… Irish habits for men and women to be abolished, and the English tongue to be extended.” Army commander Sir Charles Coote simplified this in 1641 by ordering his men to just kill all Irish adults and children “more than a span long.”
'The language of the colonists, English, took over as a majority language. The only spoken Irish that remained were the dialects of the rural poor. The quality of life for these speakers declined so markedly in the nineteenth century, with the Great Famine, that Irish became stigmatized as the language of outcasts and the dispossessed, where the majority opinion, even for some Irish leaders, was that “even in Ireland the respectable people do not speak it, only the wilder sort.”
'Language seems like such an ordinary, insignificant part of our lives. We use it to pass the salt, remember the milk, and make small talk with our neighbors. But language, even a homely community language, can be a powerful symbol and expression of shared national identity, what it means to be the same, from the same place'
'The relationship of language to nationalist movements can indeed be problematic, but, drawing on a long history of linguistic persecution, Eoin MacNeill did not believe in championing just one way of speaking while forbidding others. The diversity of the Irish people could be united as the same through the joint ownership of their slowly dying ancient language. MacNeill believed in taking in all of its living dialects, instead of choosing just one and imposing that as a standard, while refusing all others. That evolved language would be tied to a modern Irish identity and culture, which was different from an expression of that culture in the more predominantly spoken English language.'
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20622684?mag=when-language-started-a-political-revolution&seq=9
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hallo! i was looking through your pinned list of recommended sources, but i couldn’t find anything that related to what i needed- would you, by any chance, know of any good sources to read about old irish ranks, societal systems, etc? (like fíle’s and whatnot)
i can’t find any at all, but i’m probably looking in the wrong places :’)
SO sorry I just got to this! For some reason, Tumblr didn't let me know I got this. So, the reason why this isn't in my source list is that the source list is compiled from what I know as a mythographer on this material, and it is specifically designed to focus on mythological material, while what you're looking at is, specifically, legal material. Which doesn't mean I won't help! (God knows I never need the excuse to run my mouth off), BUT it means that I'm also slightly out of my depth, even though I did ask a friend who does legal stuff to weigh in. For a starter I'd go with Fergus Kelly, A Guide To Early Irish Law -- you won't necessarily be reading it for what he is saying, but for his references at the back. Likewise, pick up his Early Irish Farming. You won't THINK there's anything in there useful to what you're doing, but...I can almost guarantee there is. It has. Everything.
-- Liam Breatnach, Uraicecht na Ríar (on the poetic grades)
-- Patrick Sims Williams and Erich Poppe, "medieval Irish literary theory and criticism)
-- Myles Dillon, Lebor na Cert (the Book of Rights, deals mainly with kings.)
--Kevin Murray (editor) Lebor na Cert: Reassessments
-- Bart Jaski, Early Irish Kingship and Succession (kingship)
-- Riita Latvio, "Status and Exchange in Early Irish Laws"
-- Robin Chapman Stacey, "Ancient Irish law revisited: rereading the laws of status and franchise"
-- Nerys Patterson, Cattle Lords and Clansmen (thank you to @wickedlittlecritta for reminding me!) Honestly...if you ever decide to dive into the broader world of law...anything by Patterson, I really like her work on gender.
ANYTHING on Críth Gablach, which is a status tract. I won't throw the Binchy edition at you, unless you know Old Irish, I'll toss the Eoin MacNeill version here.
-- T. M. Charles-Edwards, “Críth Gablach and the law of status”
-- Ibid, “A contract between king and people in early medieval Ireland? Críth gablach on kingship”
--Ibid, "Honour and Status in some Irish and Welsh prose tales"
-- Marilyn Gerriets, “Economy and society. Clientship according to the Irish laws”
-- Neil McLeod, “Interpreting early Irish law: status and currency (part 1 + 2)
Unfortunately, some status tracts, like the Uraicecht Becc, have never been fully translated, but they have been written about:
-- P. L. Henry, “A note on the Brehon law tracts of procedure and status, Cóic conara fugill and Uraicecht becc”
-- Douglas MacLean, "The Status of the Sculptor in Old Irish Law and the Evidence of the Crosses"
This looks almost like too much and not enough at the same time. I want it on the record that...in medieval Ireland, status was EVERYTHING. Down to what food you ate as a fosterling. Everyone had a status, everything had a status, and that status was simultaneously fixed but also allowed for some degree of social stability (you could, if you earned enough money, move up from being a commoner, but you would never achieve the status as a fully born noble, your CHILDREN would inherit that rank instead.) We say that about every society, to the point it's a cliche, but in this one in particular, everything was decided on the status you had, who your family were, who you married, etc., so it isn't an easy question. It'd be a bit like asking me "Well, how did people live in medieval Ireland?" People have based their entire careers on this sort of thing. But I hope that at the very least....it's a start.
If you have any trouble getting ahold of things, don't hesitate to let me know! Happy hunting!
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i want to know how you would restage the easter rising because it was a true shitshow. i have my own theories as well and i would love to know what you think
FINALLY i get this ask, thank you.
ok so there are several things i would change about the staging of the rising, bc as you said it was an absolute shit show, so hopefully this isnt too rambling. im not going to get into the issues with the date change, casements arrest/the aud sinking and the lack of guns because of course proper organisation is key- but for sake of brevety i’ll operate from the standpoint that its happening on Easter Monday and Eoin MacNeill has still called for the volunteers to not march. thus, this is not as much as how the rebels could’ve won, but how they could’ve kept on for weeks, maybe even months, gaining an upper hand in the Anglo-Irish war to come.
firstly and perhaps most obviously, it was beyond ridiculous to dig trenches in St. Stephens green, for such smart people you would think the insurgents would figure out that to sieze an area like St. Stephens taking the rooftops around the green is the safest option with a good vantage point- trench warfare is ill suited to a built up urban environment like Dublin and by mimicking the tactics of WW1 they lost an easy advantage they could’ve gained with their knowledge of the city’s terrain.
secondly: scrap Jacob’s biscuit factory, take Trinity College Campus instead. symbolically, tactically and practically the better option, this eliminates an unused and inefficient point and brings in a unit with a grasp on the heart of the city, a strategically stronger location and a perfect representation of the whole “Irish intellectuals uprising” profile of the event. so in both gravitas and strategy its a winner.
thirdly- properly infiltrate and scout ahead Dublin castle. only one man would’ve been needed for a job that would’ve brought the whole event to a new level. if those rising had known there were only 7 men guarding the castle they could’ve easily stormed it thus winning over the symbolic grasp of Britain on Ireland; this would’ve been a major propaganda point if successful, and the only difference between success and failure was intel on the guards that day.
cutting communications was a major step the insurgents missed out on. the Rising could’ve grasped Dublin much tighter before Britain knew what was going on if their first step had been to cut communication between Dublin and London. like the failure to storm the castle this was a failure based on lack of intel which could’ve easily gained an advantage for the rebels by keeping key information from the British.
play to the strengths of the rebels and the detriment of the British. Guerilla tactics were used yes, but not nearly to the level they shouldve been utilised. the rebels have one key advantage of knowing the streets of Dublin- trapping the British in bottlenecks, ambushing them at the docks, etc, couldve seriously disorientated and harmed the opponent better than standoffs such as at the GPO did. i’m not saying they shouldnt focus on the GPO, thats one of the better decisions they made to hold it, but small teams of gunmen could do a lot of damage if British soldiers were funnelled down back alleys and side streets.
better communication between the rebels in Dublin and their allies in cities such as Cork, etc, couldve succeeded in making the rising a more widespread republican rebellion rather than being confined mainly to Dublin, which made it much easier to quash as reinforcements can reach Dublin quite quickly from England (which isnt true for other key cities the rebels couldve taken). if the Rising had been country-wide, it wouldve been a much more powerful statement and military success would be less of an impossibility.
there are other points i could make about the organisation and strategy of the rebels, as well as their attitude not being conducive to (military) victory, but all in all despite being an absolute disaster they did win people over with their “blood sacrifice” to quote Pearse. i would like to hear if you would make any additions though, or disagree with anything i wrote, its certainly a topic which could be discussed at great length due to the many... many strategic failures.
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Day Of Dredd: The Full List Of Events, Signings And Live Art Jams
Day Of Dredd: The Full List Of Events, Signings And Live Art Jams
The 7th of September is 2000AD’s celebration of all things Dredd as comic stores across the land celebrate The Day of Dredd. Its also the week that Rob Williams and Henry Flint’s espionage sci-fi thriller, Judge Dredd: The Small House, coming out, on Thursday September 5th, ahead of the big day.
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Day of Dredd - Signing Details across the UK and US revealed
Day of Dredd – Signing Details across the UK and US revealed
Rebellion has announced the full thrill-powered line-up of events for The Day of Dredd, celebrating the legacy and cultural impact of Britain’s biggest comic book export, Judge Dredd.
Taking place on Saturday 7th September 2019, this mixture of creator signings, live art jams, film screenings, and panel talks is dedicated to recognising and exploring Dredd’s place in global pop culture – with…
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#OTD in 1918 – John Devoy claims Roger Casement to blame for the 1916 Easter Rising’s failure.
New York-based John Devoy, editor of the recently suppressed Gaelic American has claimed credit for being the key individual behind the ‘German Sinn Féiner’ efforts to launch a revolt in Ireland in 1916. The claim comes in a letter, a copy of which was published last month in the USA.   The letter, discovered on the premises of Lawrence DeLacey at the time of his arrest in California in August…
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I'm against the Irish language im failing it
eoin macneill would be ashamed 😤 no but fr good luck with that
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stairnaheireann · 4 days
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#OTD in 1916 – The 'Castle Document' was read out at a meeting of Dublin Corporation. It alleged nationalist leaders were to be arrested, and caused Eoin MacNeill to alert the Irish Volunteers. It is believed to have been a forgery by Joseph Plunkett.
Five days before the Rising the Evening Mail carried a story that would have a bearing on the course of events and create a controversy which still burns. Addressing a meeting of Dublin Corporation, Thomas Kelly of Sinn Féin read into the record the text of a secret document he had been given.  Known as the Castle Document, it contained details of contingency plans for Martial Law, and the…
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stairnaheireann · 23 days
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#OTD in 1919 – Third meeting of Dáil Éireann | Éamon de Valera was elected President of Dáil Éireann (or Príomh Aire) and appointed a cabinet.
De Valera issued a statement saying that “There is in Ireland at this moment only one lawful authority, and that authority is the elected Government of the Irish Republic”. When the First Dáil met in 1919, Éamon de Valera was the president of Sinn Féin and thus the natural choice for leadership. However he had been imprisoned in England so, at the meeting of the Dáil on 21 January, Cathal Brugha…
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stairnaheireann · 9 months
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Roger Casement | A Man of Mystery
In the week after Roger Casement’s execution, on 3 August 1916, newsreel footage of the nationalist leader was shown in cinemas across America. At a conservative estimate, some 15 million US citizens saw the moving pictures. A century on, this fragment of film provides a fascinating insight. Casement is glimpsed at his desk writing: The daily activity he performed above any other. He used the pen…
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