#Dean Critical

[sleepyspiriit]

Dean doesn’t care about Sam

Dean Winchester cares about his little brother that likes books, he however does not care about Sam Winchester the hunter who went to Stanford and survived Hell with the devil.

Dean seems to have picked the smallest parts of Sam from his childhood, and deemed that to be his brother, and the second Sam does something “out of character” like something for HIMSELF (like Stanford, Amelia, etc) he can’t be Sam, because his little brother would never do that.

It’s such a bad problem, as he doesn’t even think about Sam’s opinions or boundaries, because that’s HIS little brother, he is HIS so he can’t disagree with him because SAM, his little brother would only do that, because he clearly doesn’t know better.

#supernatural #sam winchester #spn #dean winchester #dean critical #sam and dean

[creatorofarcadia]

It's been a while since I watched Supernatural, so don't take my opinions as gospel or anything. But I think Dean is self-hating to the point of narcissism in some ways. Don't get me wrong, I empathise with Dean and understand why fans largely do too. But his self-loathing warps his perception and becomes the centre of EVERYTHING and at times that really has ripple effects on those around him - particularly Sam.

Take their childhood, Sam has a right to mourn the fact that he didn't get a normal childhood. He's allowed to be angry that he didn't get a home, a present father, a stable community, and consistent education. But whenever Sam attempts to express his complicated feelings about his childhood, Dean immediately interprets it as ' oh I was supposed to look out for you. Are you saying I failed? Are you confirming I'm worthless?' which grinds the conversation to a complete halt. Because of Dean's intense self-criticism, Sam can never really be 100% honest with him or ask for support with his own issues, especially regarding their childhood. As anything outside of 100% gratitude just becomes another stick for Dean to beat himself with, and the conversation is immediately derailed.

Not only does Deans self-hatred mean that Sam's expression of his own experiences are pretty consistently shut down. In some ways, I think Dean strips Sam of his autonomy - he's so self-loathing, he sees every decision Sam makes as being about/a reaction to him. A good example of this is Stanford. Rather than understanding Stanford for what it was, an attempt by Sam to carve out a better life from himself and escape hunting. Dean views it as betrayal or abandonment, some re-affirmation of his own belief that he's not worth caring about. Rather than understanding it's a rejection of hunting, he sees it as Sam rejecting him. To Dean, Sam isn't attempting to find a better life, he's punishing the family.

Overall, it's interesting that people largely and rightfully sympathise with Dean due to his self-hatred. However, I don't see as much discussion about how his self-hatred doesn't just hurt him, it hurts those he's close to, as it colours his interpretation of their every action. Dean's self-loathing is always the biggest thing in the room and that has consequences.

#dean winchester #dean critical #spn meta #spn analysis #sam meta #spn #supernatural #sam winchester

[wilsonthemoose]

Listen.

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Ok. Carry on.

#Dean critical

[sampegger]

certain deangirls just frustrate me so bad. like. the ones who insist with their entire chest that dean loves sam more than sam loves him. even just talking early seasons. to see sam leaving for stanford as a betrayal to dean and proof that he loves him less is so. him leaving for college wasn't about dean. it was about wanting something better for himself than what hunting had to offer. him being able to want something more for himself than what he had with dean and john is not a betrayal. to claim that sams ability to endure misery is directly correlated with how much he loves someone is cruel and a terrible perspective to have on any relationship.

and in season 4, to claim that he chose a demon over his own brother while in the midst of having an active addiction problem, and to take that and make it about his loyalty to DEAN is so. that is so biased and evil. you should not see sams violation of his own autonomy as a betrayal to dean. i know the show likes to think they do in the later seasons but the choices sam makes do not all have to center around dean, and that still doesn't mean he loves him any less! viewing it through that type of lens will certainly make it look like he does, but that is objectively the wrong way to interpret any of sams arcs.

when it comes to season 8 i'll say a lot of the same stuff i said about sam leaving for stanford in the first place. while yes i do think him not looking for dean was slightly out of character, it is still unbelievably cruel to think of sams ability to endure pain and claim it marks the level of which he loves someone. especially when he takes on the trials this season, and the entire narrative thrown on sam is his newfound notion that pain purges sin. to have that level of misery thrown in your face (these trials are purifying me) and still insist that if sam is actively fighting against something that is making him miserable (staying in hunting) it's proof he never loved dean that much anyways is awful!!! and that whole "non-agreement" line in which bobby says that he and dean promising not to look for each other was just something that was said and it should've been obvious he was meant to look for dean. don't even get me started.

season 9 is the last season that i think people use as evidence for this. sams claim that he "wouldn't do the same thing for dean." and really. i guess i don't expect dean letting gadreel possess sam to be seen in any other light at this point. sam said he wouldn't have done the same thing for dean because he literally wouldn't have!!! there is nothing that can properly convey the absolute level of violation that that was, especially when sams entire storyline is about his struggle for autonomy. it was a selfish decision on deans end, as is most of the way that he loves sam. it is just so frustrating to see this arcs that revolve specifically around sam turned into evidence of how much he does or doesn't love dean, because that is literally the opposite of what they're about.

i could move onto later seasons as well and talk about how dean is outwardly abusive in them, but that would just be dean slander and that's not what i'm trying to do. the entire point of this post is that tying all of sams decisions to how much he loves dean is wrong and you fundamentally miss the entire point of sam as a character if you view the story through that lens.

sam's ability to endure misery is not directly correlated with his ability to love.

#sam winchester #spn #supernatural #dean critical #i don't even hate dean #i love his inability to break the cycle but i don't think some dean girls even like that about him #i hate when he gets boiled down to a blank slate stand in for whatever ship purpose he has to fill #but whatever #wrote this at 11 am right before leaving for work #i love sam winchester so much #and supernatural is just. better. when you see sam as his own character #yeah

[sounknownvoid]

did sam have GADREEL'S memories from 1000s of years in heaven-prison too?

Hey I just thought of something on rewatch - when they find out that the psycho-angel in sam is gadreel Cas says he hasn't seen him before because he's been in "heaven's prison" & we know gadreel was also tortured in heaven...

So...does that mean that in addition to having his OWN MEMORIES from his time in Hell/Cage (potentially 1000s of years, if we take that math based on sam feeling its been a week when he went down for 5xmins in s6 n so thoughtlessly restored after cas broke his wall) ... after the possession by gadreel, does he then also have to deal with gadreels memories of being held captive and tortured in heaven too???.... after all, when crowleys in his head urging him to remember he remembered the stuff that happened while he was "submerged" - but does that mean that sam would be left with gadreels memories - along with his grace after he's kicked out? .... what if?... oh man... is there nowhere sam DOESNT get tortured/have terrible memories? - heaven , hell or earth?

(n ofc sam doesn't get any support or help because dean conveniently fucks off straight after doing that to sam - and gets himself a mark of Cain - 1xmore thing for sam to deal with.....fk u dean...but I digress)

#supernatural #spn #oh sam 🥺😭 #i cry over sammy all the time in spn #dean critical #anti dean winchester #S9 - did sam wind up with gadreels torture memories too?

[trialssam]

Remember when Dean punched Sam in the face FOURTEEN times after Sam told him that he needed help in "You can't handle the truth?"

#and sam didnt even fought back #the first punch he fell to the ground and after that he passed out :) #dean didnt even know sam was soulless yet #sam winchester #dean winchester #supernatural #spn #dean critical

[pinbitch]

dean “at least he dies human” winchester: i never once left you to die!

#supernatural #dean winchester #anti dean winchester #dean critical #i am angy today #dean literally betrayed sam first at the end of s4 #and then sam was immediately betrayed AGAIN by ruby #and coming out of a relationship where they spent the whole time lying and manipulating you on top of purposely getting you addicted? #that’s litchrally abuse #sam really came out of an abusive relationship to ZERO support #this show makes me so mad

[deanwastherealmonster]

PSA: Dean punching Sam after Meg was exorcised in 2x14 was not a cute or funny thing. Sam had just gone through the harrowing and horrifying experience of being possessed, and the first thing that happens after he's freed is having the person he loves and trusts the most in the world punch him in the face. Face punching is nothing to sneer at. You can kill someone by punching them in the face, even once. Snap their neck, or break a bone and drive it into their brain. Probably other things. It was a horrible thing for Dean to do.

#anti dean winchester #dean critical #can we just throw dean away? #oh wait we did #we just threw the whole dean in the trash #dean is rotting #dean was the real monster of that show #team rusty nail #team amy's son gets the revenge he promised dean

[blue-bells7]

Did any of you ever notice that Dean forces Sam into their hella’ toxic codependent relationship?

I feel like I’m over analyzing it, but the more I watch the show again from how Sam was with dean in the beginning to the end it makes me wonder 💭

#spn #supernatural #dean winchester #sam winchester #analysis #i’m just wondering #anti dean winchester #dean critical

[samwinchesterfaith]

I would genuinely enjoy a Supernatural without De@n

#I truly struggle to enjoy anything about him #anti dean winchester #dean critical

[musclesandhammering]

Hard pills to swallow: Cas isn’t gay & Misha Collins is annoying

#spn #to clarify: castiel is 100% absolutely not straight #he’s most likely panromantic and somewhere on the ace spectrum #he’s not a male homosexual factually speaking #he’s been attracted to women in canon #and he’s not even a man he’s nonbinary and angels don’t even seem to gaf about the gender of anyone #he’s a multidimensional wavelength of cosmic energy and consciousness like…. #why would you want to reduce him down to ‘He’s a male who only likes other males uwu’ #and Misha continuously pushing the ‘cas gay haha’ narrative just to pander to the d*stiel dumbasses is just- ugh #and I haven’t forgotten about him claiming to be bi for shits and giggles and then going ‘SIKE I’m actually hetero’ #and then not rly understanding why folks got so upset #anti supernatural #anti spn #spn critical #castiel #anti destiel #anti destihellers #dean critical #anti misha collins

[bnuyfrowns]

the difference between sam and dean and how they think of cas is insane to me. like even in 5x01 when they find out that cas had been killed by raphael. and dean says that he was stupid to have gotten killed. and sam says. “stupid? he was just trying to help”

#many thoughts many thoughts #and this is in s5 when they’re not even that close yet!! #sam winchester #castiel #not putting this in the dean tag bc i’m afraid of d*stielers #sastiel #bee speaks #spn rewatch #dean critical

[writinginthesecrettrees]

Sam: There's something wrong with me. I think I need help.

Dean: *punches him until he's unconscious*

Because that is the sane and rational response.

#supernatural #spn #sam and dean #dean critical #kind of #i mean #there's context #just because i watch through a samcentric lens doesn't erase context #and having just learned that sam let him get turned into a vamp #and put lisa and ben into danger #and what if they hadn't been able to get the cure #and these men always deal with their emotions through violence #it's not the healthiest relationship in the world you know #brothers man

[vaicomcas]

Cas episodes rewatch notes. Early S13.

There is this exchange early in 13x01.

SAM: What about Cas? Is he - is he really dead? DEAN: You know he is.

Sam saw as much as Dean when Cas was killed. This question is significant because it hints at what Sam must have been thinking: Death isn't necessarily "real" in their universe.

No, the writers didn't suddenly forget about that. In S13e5:

Billie: It’s funny to hear a Winchester talk about the finality of dying. 

Which makes it all the more jarring that the Winchesters made Zero effort to find a way to bring Cas back.

Quite the opposite. In S13e4:

JACK: My mother… could she be a ghost? SAM: No, we, um… we burned the body. DEAN: That’s right, and what gets burned… stays dead.

They didn't forget that in their universe resurrections can and often happen. Dean performed his grief so convincingly in preparing Cas' body for the funeral pyre, but what the Winchesters really did was they burned Castiel's body with the explicit intention that Cas stayed dead.

Poor Cas was under the illusion that the Winchesters would have tried:

CASTIEL The Winchesters. Sam and Dean, they must’ve made a deal.

No, they didn't. They didn't look in books, they didn't try spells, they didn't make a deal, Cas must stay dead so they get to keep their hunter code, their grief rituals and their man pain angst.

#castiel #bitter Cas girl #Winchesters critical #Dean critical #Sam critical #Cas was resurrected no thanks to them

[thebrightmillenial]

Nothing triggers me more than "Sam is the cool uncle, Destiel are the parents and Jack is the child." NAH NAH NAH HONEY. Listen here. Dean was not a parent to Jack - at least not until Jack was going to die. He literally said he wasn't part of the family, tried to kill him and treated him like trash. Sure, he and Sam did pull a stunt of locking him but again, I'm pretty sure you saw what happened so I don't need to explain myself.

Castiel and Sam were Jack's parents. This has nothing to do with me liking Sam x Castiel. Far from that. It's me noticing the difference between toxic and loving parents. And Cass and Sam both gave Jack love. Castiel and Sam loved Jack for who he was. Lucifer's kid? Yeah they don't care. Dean was quick to judge. Who understood Jack? SAM. demon blood yall?

Not saying Dean didn't redeem himself because he did. I am happy Dean finally noticed that Jack wasn't evil and actually was glad to see him part of their family after a bit. I'm just tired of people saying "Dean and Cass are Jack's parents." Just because of your ship 🤡 like I'm sorry loves but no. That's not really how it works. <3333

Many people will take offense but oh well.

I am a bit rusty on my knowledge but I am 100% sure this is how it went down so like 💀

#supernatural #sam winchester #castiel #dean critical #but there is also good stuff about him if you blink. #jack kline #anti sam winchester dni #anti castiel dni #anti jack kline dni #anti destiel #ig

[samspocketbible]

i believe dean hating witches was another layer to his misogyny im almost sure thats why they wrote it in

#mn #dean critical #i guess never seen people talk about this