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“people tend to say that queen victoria was bad mother… Empress sissy was another lever, i just discovered that in her poem she called "Gisella's child is of a rare ugliness but very lively, and look exaclty like her" that part just broke my heart. how could you say this? and specially to your grandson!! so bitter & mean 💔” - Submitted by abigaaal
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Devrim Lingnau (Empress Elisabeth) and an unknown child actress as either Archduchess Sophie or Archduchess Gisela on set of the second season of The Empress (2022).
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Is it true that empress sissy was bad mother? Or just rumours
I think it really depends on what do you understand as being “a bad mother”. First of all royal women were not expected to be the main carers of their children: this job was divided among the many people in charge of the well-being of the kids. Parents usually only saw their kids little on a daily basis, since they did not even ate together. So one shouldn’t expect Elisabeth to have been changing diapers and heating milk bottles. The second thing to consider is just how young she was when she became a mother; giving birth to three consecutive babies in such a short time spam (with the additional stress of knowing everyone is expecting you to produce an heir) must have take a huge toll on her, so I don’t think is that surprising if she didn’t smoothly adjust to the role of mother.
Even so, she did love her children, as this letter she wrote to a Bavarian relative soon after the birth of her first child shows:
My little one really is already very charming and gives the Emperor and me enormous joy. At first it seemed very strange to me to have a baby of my own; it is like an entirely new joy, and I have the little one with me all day long, except when she is carried for a walk, which happens often while the fine weather holds. (Hamann, 1986)
But Elisabeth had no control in how her eldest children were raised: her mother-in-law, Archduchess Sophie, took charge of them. Something important to keep in mind, however, is that taking charge of them doesn’t mean that she personally cared them (again, this wasn’t the role of royal woman), but that she chose the staff of nursemaids, nannies, governesses and tutors that oversaw the children’s caring and later education. But this lack of control over her children ended up being a great source of sorrow for the young mother.
During this time the first big conflict between Elisabeth and Sophie arose: the children’s nursery was placed on the same floor as Sophie’s appartements, which meant that she could go over to see her granddaughters with a lot more of freedom than Elisabeth, whose appartements where on a different floor. Being on a different floor meant than she could only see her daughters during the times set by protocol, and always in company of her retinue of ladies and lackeys, which ended up limiting even more the time she could spend with them in privacy. She told to her lady-in-waiting Marie Festetics in 1872:
Only now do I understand what bliss a child means. Now I have finally had the courage to love the baby and keep it with me [her fourth child Marie Valerie]. My other children were taken away from me at once. I was permitted to see the children only when Archduchess Sophie gave permission. She was always present when I visited the children. Finally I gave up the struggle and went upstairs only rarely.
This statement comes from almost twenty-years after the events, so it should be taken with a bit of a grain of salt (in the first letter I quoted Elisabeth mentions that she had Baby Sophie with her “all day long”, so she wasn’t “taken away at once” as she claims here). The most important takeaway from this statement to me is that even after all those years the fact that she wasn’t allowed to see her girls freely hurt her. So it’s not surprising that her first act of “rebellion” at court was when she decided to move the nursery to her floor in 1856.
After successfully moving the nursery near to her appartements, slowly Sisi started to take more and more control of her children. At the end of 1856 Franz Josef and Elisabeth went on a state visit to Lombardy-Venice and they took Baby Sophie with them. This tour was relatively successful, and months later they tried to replicate its success on Hungary. For this tour the parents decided to take not only Baby Sophie but also Gisela, since it was planned to last two months and they didn’t want to be separated from their daughters for such a long time.
As it’s known, Baby Sophie sadly died of typhus during this trip. Although is often repeated that Archduchess Sophie blamed Elisabeth for the child’s death, she in fact was very sympathetic towards the young mother, since she also had lost an infant daughter and could understand her pain. But Elisabeth seemed to blame herself regardless, and soon fell into a deep depression that lasted months and filled her entire family with worry.
By the end of 1857 she showed signs of being pregnant again, and in September of 1858 she finally gave birth to the long awaited heir, Crown Prince Rudolf. And just as with her daughters, Elisabeth had no control over the boy’s upbringing.
In 1860 Elisabeth started to become ill - of what, nobody knew. I won’t go much into this (since that’s just an entirely different post), but by the end of the year, after exhausting all possible treatments, it was decided that the Empress should go away from court to recover from her mysterious illness. This was the beginning of Elisabeth’s two years trip - first to Madeira and then to Corfu. Franz Josef offered her to take Gisela with her, but since she couldn’t also take Rudolf (the heir had to remain in Vienna), she decided to leave her behind because she didn’t want to separate the siblings, who were very close (Winkelhofer, 2022).
Elisabeth returned a changed woman, much more confident in herself, no longer the shy girl who was easily intimidated by courtiers. But she still had no control over how her children were educated. Or that was until Rudolf started his formal education. At the age of six he was separated from his sister and governess, given his own household, and Count Gondrecourt was assigned as his tutor. Gondrecourt had the mission of “toughening up” the boy, since he was considered to be weak of mind; his method to achieve this consisted in psychologically torturing Rudolf, and after he fell ill, seemingly of a nervous collapse. When Elisabeth discovered what her son was going through she was horrified and decided to step in. So she did something almost unprecedented, not only for her personally, but also in general for a woman of her status: she gave her husband an ultimatum:
I wish to have reserved to me absolute authority in all matters concerning the children, the choice of the people around them, the place of their residence, the complete supervision of their education, in a word, everything is to be left entirely to me to decide, until the moment of their majority. I further wish that, whatever concerns my personal affairs, such as, among others, the choice of the people around me, the place of my residence, all arrangements in the house etc. be reserved to me alone to decide.
Even more surprisingly for the time, Franz Josef agreed, and gave her full control of the children’s education. Gondrecourt was dismissed and Colonel Josef Latour was personally chosen by Elisabeth in his place. Latour was highly unpopular at court because he wasn’t an aristocrat and had very liberal political ideas, but Elisabeth protected him and he kept his job. Latour ended up becoming a close friend to his pupil until his death. But even though she now had what she had always wanted, total control of her children’s upbringing, she never became really close to her eldest daughter and son.
This is the part in which we can talk about her being “a bad mother”. When you compare her relationship to her fourth and last child, Marie Valerie, born ten years after Rudolf out of her desire to have another baby, raised entirely by her (as always keeping in mind that this means she had full control of the staff that took care of Valerie), to how she was with Gisela and Rudolf, the clear favoritism is evident. It seems that she felt more distant towards the eldest, probably a combination of her not having a saying in their upbringing until they were older and her constant trips away from court didn’t help her to close the gap. Gisela, who was a very down-to-earth person, a lot like her father, doesn’t seem to have minded this (or at least she never showed it), but Rudolf always craved for a close relationship with his mother, which he never could truly have. He adored her and was always grateful for her intervention when he was little, but seeing how all his mother’s love and attention went towards Valerie made Rudolf jealous of his younger sister; because of this the siblings also never managed to become close.
Valerie ended up feeling overwhelmed by her mother’s love. Elisabeth was very emotionally dependent on her daughter and made her her constant companion and support, which isolated the girl from the rest of her family. Valerie adored her father and felt that her mother put her against him, and Elisabeth insistance in raising her as a Hungarian (Valerie’s mother tongue wasn’t German, but Hungarian) made her hate Hungary. She turned out to be quite different to what her mother had planned, and that was probably just the result of having so many expectations imposed on her since she was born. But even so Elisabeth loved her and only wanted her to be happy. And this is shown by the fact that (unlike Queen Victoria with her daughter Beatrice) she didn’t want her to stay by her side forever, but to marry for love and form her own family. So she supported her decision to marry Archduke Franz Salvator, who out of all her suitors was the least favorite (Franz Josef wanted her to marry the Crown Prince of Saxony and Rudolf Archduke Eugen).
So was she a bad mother? It’s complicated. She loved her children (and I do think she loved all of them, despite Gisela being often considered the “forgotten” child), fought to have control on how to raise them (which was unusual for the time) and when she lost them she deeply grieved them. But she couldn’t be the support that her son needed, and the child she did gave her constant love felt suffocated. Sometimes an answer isn’t as a easy as yes or not, and I think we should keep that in mind when looking at Elisabeth as a mother. I hope you find my answer helpful, and sorry if it’s too long!
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Hamann, Brigitte (1986). The Reluctant Empress: A Biography of Empress Elisabeth of Austria (translation by Ruth Hein)
Winkelhofer, Martina (2022). Sissi. La vera storia. Il camino della giovane imperatrice (translation by Federica Saccucci)
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~ Rumors About Our Daughter ~ (fan fiction requested by @historical-epic)
Rumors questioning Archduchess Marie Valerie of Austria’s legitimacy have been circulating within the Austrian Court. What do her parents think about this? What do they do?
Characters: Archduchess Marie Valerie of Austria, Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria, Empress Elisabeth of Austria
Valerie heard her mother talking to a random maid servant in the drawing room of their summer home Kaiservilla in Bad Ischl. Thought it sounded more like arguing to her.
“Don’t you dare make such treasonous accusations!” Elisabeth shouted, loud enough for 8 year old Valerie to make out what she said. 
“Y-Y-Your Majesty….I didn’t mean to…I was just implying that”
“What, that my daughter is illegitimate? That her father is not The Emperor? How dare you!”
Valerie had never heard her mother this angry before. It was quite shocking, more shocking than the rumors of her own illegitimacy. 
These rumors were swirling in and out of Kaiservilla for months now, mostly the fancy talk of lower servants. When the imperial family arrived, the servants had to be more careful about their gossiping and shut out their willful thoughts as these thoughts could imprison them for life, or even worse, death.
Emperor Franz Joseph I was married to Duchess Elisabeth of Bavaria, who later became Empress Elisabeth of Austria by marriage. But everyone close to her called her either Mother or Sisi. 
Together they had four children. Archduchess Sophie, who died young, Gisela, Rudolf, and Marie-Valerie. They all lived somewhat happy lives although there were problems in all.
Franz and Sisi had to bear the burden of ruling an all powerful Austro-Hungarian empire, Rudolf had to bear the burden of being heir, Gisela had to bear the burden of being unloved by her parents (it was very complicated), and Valerie now had to bear the burden of various rumors spreading about who her real father was.
There are plenty of servants and nobles who live at Kaiservilla and that means that there are various mouths to blab whatever they want about whoever they want. 
A few months ago, the topic of Empress Sisi and her lover Count Andrássy was being spoken about and somebody must’ve put together that Valerie might not have been her father’s daughter.
These were obviously just nonsensical rumors because Valerie was Franz’s child. She was legitimate. 
But Valerie herself didn’t know that and neither did all of the servants who had been blabbing their mouths off for months. 
“Get out of my sight! Sisi practically screamed at the frightened chamber maid who unfortunately gossiped at the wrong time to a footman.
The maid scurried off and Sisi sat down on the nearest chair and was trying to hold in tears.
“Mama..” Valerie walked in from the other room. “Was that maid talking about me?” She asked.
“Oh darling” Sisi held out her hands to embrace the trembling young girl who started to cry.
“Don’t pay any mind to what that filthy servant said. It was all lies and it wasn’t true at all.”
Sisi stroked her daughter’s unruly dark brown hair and continued to do so until Valerie broke the embrace.
“But Mama…I heard it all…I don’t know what this all means.” Valerie was on the verge of hysterics. 
Seeing her mother so upset ignited something in her that is usually hidden away. It made her angry and confused and utterly upset.
“Valerie darling” Sisi soothed. “All you have to believe is that you are your father’s daughter, you are my daughter. If somebody said that you aren’t then shame on them!” 
Sisi gave her youngest daughter a little playful slap which turned the sad frown on Valerie’s face into the wide smile that would be seen playing outside with her dogs or drawing pictures with her mother.
“You are Archduchess Marie Valerie of Austria, youngest daughter of Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria, King of Hungary. That is who you are and you can’t listen to anybody if they say otherwise, especially the nasty servants who gossip.” Sisi softly placed a hand on Valerie’s face.
“Okay Mama, I love you very much.” The two hugged firmly again.
“Next time Valerie, don’t eavesdrop okay?” Sisi said strictly, but with a laugh.”
“Okay Mama!” Sighed smart Valerie as she skipped out of the room.
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Later that night, when Valerie was doing her nighttime prayers, Sisi was informing Franz about the events of the day.
“Franz, darling,” Sisi spoke to her husband who was sitting calmly on the bed taking his boots off.
“Many people are questioning Valerie’s legitimacy, today I caught a maid servant gossiping with a footman. I’m greatly concerned.” Sis went over to sit next to Franz who wrapped his arm around her.
“Darling, you know those rumors are false. I remember the night we conceived. It couldn’t possibly be anyone else. What makes you so worried?” Franz said
Sisi wanted to say that the rumors were specifically stating that Count Andrássy was the suspected father and that she never did anything with him except one small kiss, but she couldn’t say that to her husband. 
She loved Franz and Andrássy’s kiss brought her no affectionate feelings, minus disgust and anger, but this was just not the right time.
That was a story for another day.
Sisi decided to tell Franz the truth about half of the worries about this situation.
“I’m worried because Valerie was in the other room and she could hear me yelling at that maid.” Sisi was close to tears.
“She has never heard me that angry before and she came up to me afterword and was quite distressed...” Sisi wept into Franz’s arms while he gently stroked her back.
They might not have been passionate soulmates, but after all these years of marriage, Franz still loved Sisi, and the feeling was mutual.
“Sisi darling hush now, I will talk to her, I promise.” Franz stated his wife in the eye and gave her a gentle kiss on the forehead.
He then exited the room and let Sisi undress peacefully.
As Franz was walking to Valerie’s rooms, he couldn’t stop himself from thinking more deeply about the rumors.
Why would anyone think that Valerie is not my daughter?
Valerie heard a sudden knock on her bedroom door.
“Valerie, darling, it’s Papa, can I come in?”
“Enter.” Valerie spoke softly as her nanny calmly put the book away and exited the room.
Franz came in and slowly sat down on Valerie’s bed.
“What’s wrong Papa?” Valerie noticed the solemn look on her father’s usually joyful face. At least he was joyful when she was around.
“Valerie…” Franz spoke in a nervous but fairly calm tone. “Mother told me about what happened today.”
Valerie’s face fell into a sad frown.
“Does everyone think like that maid thinks?” She said desperately. “Mama says that I shouldn’t listen to them…but I did.”
“Oh Valerie my dearest,” Franz wrapped his daughter in a tight embrace and rocked her around like he did when she was a baby. 
“Look in my eyes, Valerie, you are my daughter. Nothing can or will ever change that.” Franz was disgusted by these ugly rumors. His heart knew that Sisi could’ve and would’ve been unfaithful at times, and he could’ve been too. But he knew deep down in his heart that Valerie was his child, nothing could convince him otherwise.
“Papa is that really the truth?” Valerie asked longingly.
“Darling,” Franz cooed. “It will forever be the truth.”
“Oh Papa I love you so much!” Valerie gave her father a kiss on the cheek and a tight squeeze before hopping under her covers.
Franz kissed the little girl goodnight and exited calmly.
He knew that everything was going to be okay, and if not, he would take care of it.
~
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royaltysimblr · 1 year
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Her Royal Highness the Dowager Duchess of Norden (1786)
Born as Princess Helene Sophia Ingrid Agnes Marie of Vasa in 1739 to King Charles Gustaf II of Vasa and his wife, Princess Luise Ulrika of Alland, Queen Consort of Vasa. Helene recieved an extensive education which was overseen by her father. Helene enjoyed horseback riding, poetry, dancing, and playing the piano during her youth. In 1757, Karl Joseph, the reigning Duke of Norden who had just come back from a successful military campaign invading neighboring provinces during the Germanic Civil War, came to the Court of Vasa. He was enchanted by Princess Helene and asked King Charles Gustaf for her hand in marriage which he granted. Helene and Karl Joseph were married in a grand ceremony at the royal chapel of Gothenburg Palace. Unlike many marriages for the time period, Karl Joseph and Helene enjoyed a happy marriage. Karl Joseph however often left court to fight in military campaigns for the Germanic Emperor. Helene found herself bored at the Norden court and decided to remodel it after the court in Vasa. Her children were tutored mostly by Vasa ministers and spoke Vassian exclusively with their mother. During their early years, Helene experienced two miscarriages which devastated her but she was comforted in her grief by her two maiden sister-in-laws, Princess Adelaide and Princess Viktoria of Norden. Helene and Karl Joseph would have 8 children who would live to adulthood including; Wilhelm I Duke of Norden (1760), Princess Josefina of Norden Queen of Alland (1761), Princess Paulina of Norden Archduchess of Augustinia (1764), Princess Maria Theresa of Norden Queen of Porto (1764), Princess Louise Marie of Norden Duchess of Cologne (1765), Princess Elisabeth Christine of Norden Grand Princess Alexander of Weimar (1767), Princess Viktoria of Norden Princess Heinrich of Rostock (1768), and Prince Waldemar of Norden (1769). Helene nourished and loved her family, especially her daughters Josefina and Maria Theresa and her two sons Prince Wilhelm and Prince Waldemar. Helene was devastated by the death of her daugher Maria Theresa Queen of Porto in 1782 who died giving birth to a stillborn son. Two years later her husband Karl Joseph died from a heart attack which left her son the new Duke of Norden. After Wilhelm and his wife Magdalena became the new Duke and Duchess of Norden she retired from public life and spent her time with her children and grandchildren. She extended her husband’s manor by the sea, Schloss Bentswich which she used as a dowager residence. She hardly cared for her last remaining children’s marriages, with Viktoria marrying an insignificant penniless prince, and Waldemar marrying a princess from an overthrown principality which had little importance. Helene however has a fondness for her daughter, Viktoria’s children, helping raise Sophia and Maria Gisela of Rostock. Helene maintains an extremely close relationship with her family in Vasa, especially her nephew who is the current king. 
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Images of 1860s dress (from top to bottom) -
1860 (reproduced in 1889 by Gustav William Henry Mullins) Austrian imperial family group photo (Royal Collection RCIN 2906856). From their Web site 2000X1586 @72 822kj. Photograph of a group portrait of members of the Austrian Royal family. In the back row, standing, from left to right, are Emperor Franz Josef of Austria, Archduke Maximilian (later the ill-fated Emperor Maximillian of Mexico), Charlotte, Archduchess Maximilian (later Empress Carlota), Archduke Ludwig of Austria and Archduke Karl Ludwig of Austria. In the front row, seated, from left to right are Empress Elisabeth of Austria (Sisi) with Crown Prince Rudolf on her lap, Archduchess Gisela of Bavaria, Archduchess Sophie of Austria and Franz Karl, Archduke of Austria.
1860-1865 Young woman by Raimundo de Madrazo (Setdart - 13Jul22 auction Lot 62). From invaluable.com-auction-lot-raimundo-de-madrazo-y-garreta-rome-1841-versaille-62-c-c4249d59ad; erased spots w Pshop 2867X3544 @150 1.7Mj.
1867 Grandmother's birthday by Josephus Laurentius Dyckmans (V&A). From tumblr.com/blog/view/the-perdita 1495X1823 @72 717kj.
1868 Luise Limbach by Conrad Freyberg (Braunschweigisches Landesmuseum - specific location ?). From Wikimedia 2544X3120 @299 2.9Mj.
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Empress Elisabeth of Austria-Hungary
Empress Elisabeth of Austria-Hungary was born on December 24th, 1837 as Duchess Elisabeth Amalie Eugenie to Duke Maximilian and Princess Ludovika of Bavaria. Elisabeth was called Sisi. The majority of her childhood was spent at Possenhofen Castle in Bavaria, Germany. Aside from her parents unhappy marriage due to her fathers affairs, Sisi and her seven (surviving) siblings had a relatively happy childhood. Sisi enjoyed being outside the most. She would swim in the lake and go horseback riding. Below is presumably the first photo taken of Sisi when she was a little girl. 
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Emperor Franz Joseph l’s mother Archduchess Sophie, also Ludovika’s sister, had contacted Ludovika and told her than Sisi’s older sister Helene would be engaged to Franz Joseph. Franz and Helene were set to meet at the Kaiser villa in Bad Ischl. Ludovika decided to take Sisi along with them to help Helene adjust to the imperial lifestyle. Sisi was 15 and Helene was 18 at the time. Below is an image of Helene as a young adult (maybe 18-19)
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Franz Joseph was not known for disagreeing with his mother, much less defying her. Imagine the courts surprise when Franz decided to marry Sisi instead of Helene. Franz and Sisi’s engagement was announced 5 days after they’d met. On April 24th, 1854 Franz and Sisi were married in Vienna. Below is an image of Franz Joseph and Elisabeth.
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The Hapsburg court was known for being strict, formal, and steeped in tradition. Sisi was shocked when her life of freedom became a prison of protocol and formality. She never did adjust. Sisi had a horrible relationship with her mother-in-law. Archduchess Sophie believed that the Empress’s only duty was to produce an heir for the throne. Sophie believed that the Empress should never be involved in politics or affairs of the state. Sisi did not agree. She was adamant about improving the lives of the people in the Italian and Hungarian parts of the Austrian Empire and would regularly try to influence her husband. Below is an image of Archduchess Sophie.
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Even through the suffocation of Sophie’s constant pressure for a baby boy, Elisabeth did have four children. Her first was a baby girl, Sophie, born on March 5th, 1855. Her mother-in-law took the baby away from Sisi and named her after herself. Sophie refused to let Sisi take care of her baby. Then, Sisi had another baby girl, Gisela, on July 15th, 1856. Again, Sophie took the baby and Sisi couldn’t care for either of her children. The tragedy wasn’t over yet. In 1857, Sisi and Franz took a family trip with the girls to Hungary against the advice of both Sophie and the court physician. Both the girls became sick and Princess Sophie died. This caused Sisi to fall into a deep depression. Franz and Sophie brushed off her behavior. However, Sisi gave birth to another baby, but this time it was a boy. On August 21st, 1858 Crown Prince Rudolf was born. Rudolf was taken from Sisi and was raised by tutors at the age of 6. Sisi was blocked from the education of her children. In 1867 Sisi and Franz were crowned King and Queen of Hungary. A year later, Sisi gave birth to Marie Valerie on April 22nd, 1868. Below are images of Sisi’s children in order of birth. 
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Sisi had very little control over many things in her life. However, one thing she did have control over was her body. She dieted constantly and became obsessed with her beauty. That’s how she kept her slender waist that she’s very famous for. Sisi spent a ton of time in Hungary with her youngest child. Sophie hated Hungary and this allowed Sisi to raise Marie on her own. Sophie died in 1872 and Sisi was finally free from her mother-in-law. There is one tragedy that Sisi would never get over. In 1889 Rudolf was found dead with his mistress which was done by their own hands. 
On September 10th, 1898 Sisi was killed by an Italian Anarchist while boarding a boat in Geneva. She was stabbed in the heart and had not realized what had happened to her. She died a few hours later. 
Source: https://www.palaces-of-europe.com/empress-sisi.html 
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Portrait of Archduchess Gisela of Austria, Princess Leopold of Bavaria, 1885, by Friedrich August von Kaulbach (1850-1920)
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royal-confessions · 9 months
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“I honestly feel so bad for archduchess Gisela of Austria because her mother empress Elisabeth would actively ignore her talk badly on her appearance and weight and her children, not hiding the fact that she favored her sister over her, Gisela actively tried to have a relationship with her mother but her mother never cared enough. I genuinely think Elisabeth didn’t care about her it’s sad because she also named her daughter after her mother, the same woman that treated her so terribly” - Submitted by Anonymous
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I finished a new video of the empress and her family.
I hope you like it!
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adini-nikolaevna · 6 years
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The Austrian imperial family by Kriehuber, ca. 1856-57.
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sisionscreen · 8 months
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Director of Photography Felix Poplawsky shared the first promotional picture of the third season of Sisi (2021) and it shows the imperial family: Emperor Franz Joseph (Jannik Schümann) and Empress Elisabeth (Dominique Devenport) with their children Crown Prince Rudolf (Arian Wegener) and Archduchess Gisela (Kristina Schroeter).
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