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thecarnivorousmuffinmeta · 7 months

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Love your Star Wars takes. Qui-Gon is such a complicated character for me to like, mostly because of how aptly you put it in one of your posts; it explains so much about why Obi-Wan is the way he is, which is (imo) steeped in misery and far too preoccupied to ever realize he‘s standing up to the neck in trauma and issues. Plus if you accept the Padawan comics as canon there‘s some utterly reprehensible shit Qui-Gon has done, such as telling child-Obi-Wan that offering to blow himself up is proof of his good character and later leaving him in an active warzone for a year for the crime of sympathising with child soldiers. And then you have unstoppable force Anakin Skywalker, foaming at the mouth for deep human connection and affirmation that he‘s a priority to someone, meeting the immovable object that is traumatized, emotionally illiterate Obi-Wan who‘s never been told he‘s good enough by anyone in his life and unknowingly emulates all the cold formative figures he’s known while meaning well. What a shitshow.

Ooh, thanks anon, and yes it's a beautiful shit show.

#star wars #star wars meta #qui gon jinn #anti qui gon jinn #obi wan kenobi #anakin skywalker #meta #praise

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p4nishers · 1 year

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"qui gon would've been a better master for anakin–" i have a gun.

#matter of fact i have a tank #the day this argument dies is the day ill know peace #'if it was for him anakin wouldn't have fallen' lock your doors tonight babe this aint no joking matter #anakin skywalker #qui gon jinn #star wars #qui gon jinn bashing #anti qui gon jinn

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aeruthien · 2 years

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Look, overall I really enjoyed the Kenobi series! But Obi Wan deserved to go absolutely apeshit against Qui Gon

That dude is so full of shit.

He ditched Obi Wan in favour of Anakin.

He got himself killed because instead of waiting to fight Maul until Obi Wan could reach him, he got them separated

He then guilt tripped Obi Wan to do an almost impossible task: to take care of a traumatized child taken away from his mother while he himself was barely a grown up

Giving Anakin both a hero and inferiority complex by actively saying he is the Chosen One

And then, after all Obi Wan and Anakin went through

He lets Obi Wan struggle alone in his grief for ten years

And then he BLAMES Obi Wan for not reaching enlightenment or whatever the fuck sooner???

I know it was supposed to be a haha funny moment, but I honestly hate Qui Gon's guts.

I know people like to blame the Jedi, but a lot could have been prevented if Qui Gon had been an even remotely decent parental figure

#star wars #obi wan kenobi #obi wan kenobi spoilers #anti qui gon jinn

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jedi-enthusiast · 4 months

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Anakin and Ahsoka are “pick-me’s.”

Don’t worry, I’ll elaborate.

Anti-Jedi folks will always, always, lift these two assholes up as “better than all the rest of the Jedi.”

They’ll say that they have “empathy,” and “compassion,” and that they “care about the little people and not just the politicians in the Senate”—or whatever the fuck else they wanna say—all because Ahsoka and Anakin “Aren’t Like Other Jedi™️”

Now, theoretically, you could say the same thing about Qui-Gon, Kanan, Cal, etc. except for the fact that they themselves don’t believe that.

They loved being Jedi, they viewed themselves as being Jedi, they loved their fellow Jedi and the Order. They didn’t betray their family, they didn’t blame their family for their own fucking genocide or basically call their practices stupid because “look how much better I am teehee.”

Qui-Gon, Kanan, Cal…they loved the Order and being Jedi in a way that Ahsoka and Anakin didn’t.

Ahsoka’s change is partly Anakin’s fault, since she only changed after being his padawan, but that doesn’t change the fact that now she’s so entrenched in her own ignorance that she truly believes that the Jedi brought on their own genocide because they didn’t train non-Force-sensitives.

So yeah, Anakin and Ahsoka are massive pick-me’s and y’all are too.

#star wars #sw prequels #anti anakin skywalker #anti anakin apologists #anakin skywalker critical #ahsoka tano critical #pro jedi #pro jedi council #pro jedi order #qui gon jinn #kanan jarrus #cal kestis

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antianakin · 1 year

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Man, now that I've made the connection between Palpatine intentionally manipulating Anakin against the Jedi and Anakin somewhat unintentionally poisoning Ahsoka against the Jedi, I can't unsee it.

We have this lineage that, yes, is called the disaster lineage, but is full of such beautiful wonderful Jedi who seem to have genuinely loved being a Jedi (at least, for a while in Dooku's case) and genuinely loved teaching and loved their students. And we see how that love and passion and dedication DID get passed down. We can see Yoda's patience and cleverness in Dooku, Dooku's passion in Qui-Gon, Qui-Gon's love and determination in Obi-Wan. We can even see some of Obi-Wan's lessons in Anakin every so often.

But Anakin isn't listening the same way everyone else was. Anakin doesn't believe the same way everyone else did.

Anakin gives lip service to the lessons he learned from Obi-Wan ("purpose before feelings") and Ahsoka certainly HEARS them, but she's also picking up just as much from Anakin's actual actions and choices and the lessons he teaches that go unsaid as she ever is from the few times he throws out some platitudes. She picks up on his mistrust of the Council, his belief that the Jedi aren't good enough. She knows that he wants to leave, that he's not even necessarily HAPPY as a Jedi all the time. She picks up on his disobedience and arrogance and impatience and puts herself in dangerous situations because of it. She sees his attachments, his attachment to HER, his attachments maybe even to Padme and Obi-Wan.

Anakin passes on just as much if not more of what he learned from PALPATINE than he ever did from Obi-Wan. Because actions can speak louder than words, and Anakin's actions show where his beliefs and values truly lie, and it isn't with the Jedi.

So Anakin breaks the lineage. He destroys Ahsoka's hopes of ever truly being a good Jedi Knight long before he commits genocide against the Order because he'd already started turning her against them, potentially without even realizing that that's what he was doing. Ahsoka got trained by Darth Vader, by Palpatine's apprentice, before he took on the name and position officially.

Which raises the question of whether Ahsoka WOULD'VE stayed in the Order ultimately in a situation where the Wrong Jedi arc doesn't happen, Palpatine is killed early, and Anakin stays for longer for one reason or another, but remains married to Padme and living a life of secrecy and lies. Would Ahsoka have ultimately had just enough mindfulness to decide to walk away? Would she have always decided the Jedi were too busy playing politics to truly help anyone, or did that only happen because of the Wrong Jedi arc? Would Anakin's training of her always have ultimately led to that end just because he's giving her Palpatine's poison, but she grew up on Jedi foundations of mindfulness that would give her the ability to actually walk away that Anakin has never had?

#anakin skywalker #ahsoka tano #disaster lineage #count dooku #obi-wan kenobi #qui-gon jinn #yoda #sheev palpatine #palpatine #anakin skywalker critical #anti anakin #anti anakin skywalker #ahsoka tano critical #star wars

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padawansuggest · 9 months

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AU where Obi-Wan and Anakin both go back in time so Obi-Wan runs off (about three steps ahead of Qui-Gon so he can’t drag his feral ass back but close enough for him to follow) to Tatooine just in time to intercept the bet between Watto and Gardulla and win four year old Ani and momma Shmi himself, gets them absconded on his ship, just in time to start getting morning sickness because whoops he forgot he was pregnant with Cal around this time the first go and now the accidental baby that got him grounded to the temple the first time is making him pukey so they gotta wait there till Qui-Gon gets back to see Obi-Wan unable to keep anything down but the pregnancy tea Shmi gives him and a small four year old with force abilities the size of a sun scolding him because 1: you can’t say SHIT about my happy accidents now and 2: YOU NEVER TOLD ME THATS WHY KESTIS WAS ALWAYS CLIMBING YOU LIKE A TREE IN THE TEMPLE I THOUGHT HE WAS TRYING TO STEAL YOU AWAY FROM ME and now Qui-Gon has to deal with the fact that either time travel is real and these two Know Things, or that force visions are real and he has to accept that this one was shared across a galaxy and with a child and now his pregnant idiot is in need of Sifo-Dyas levels of counseling before he goes insane and this whole thing is a headache he just wanted to grab his kid and shove him in a nest to keep him still but here they are this might as well happen.

Shmi, as always, is the only voice of reason in miles. Don’t worry, Master Jinn, you can build him a nest to hide in AND scold him. It’s okay. She’ll help. Right now it’s just these parents against their grumpy children and the galaxy. They will be having words about this all once they’re all safely in the temple and Qui-Gon is sure the baby is healthy.

#star wars #obi wan kenobi #anakin skywalker #shmi skywalker #qui gon jinn #Mpreg #cal kestis #build that boy a nest and shove him in it for safety #time travel #this absolutely is not abo I am anti abo no joke it’s so annoying imo #I won’t even read abo with super good plot and smut unless it’s omega/omega I just cannot

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short-wooloo · 9 months

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SW characters who were ruined by their stans:

Anakin

Ahsoka

Qui-Gon

Dooku

Mandalorians in general

Thrawn (add more if you can think of any)

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broitsf-ckingfreezing · 9 months

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You know what

I think it’s really sad the way we treat Dooku as a Jedi Master. Not as a Sith, fuck that guy; he fell to the dark side and he fell HARD. He is irredeemable in that respect.

I’m talking about Jedi Master Dooku, who only interacts with Qui-Gon Jinn in Legends and fanon (because in TOTJ he had already fallen and was actively taking steps towards the downfall of the Jedi/Republic and becoming the apprentice). *Even then, I don’t really respect TOTJ as canon because of the awful way it paints the Jedi, but I will concede it as canon from the perspective of Dooku as an unreliable narrator. I just hate THAT bit where he straight up THROWS Qui-Gon and force chokes a guy and GETS AWAY WITH IT because “uwu the Jedi awe bad and cowwupt and Dooku was a victim 👉👈”

I always hated that because Obi and Dooku meet for the first time in AOTC, then clearly Enlightened MaverickTM Qui-Gon (see my opinions on THIS in @antianakins beautifully worded post) must have been abused by his master and kept Obi-Wan away from him to “protect him from evil” yadda yadda yadda, whatever. That Qui-Gon specialised in Ataru instead of Makashi like his master because Dooku was EvilTM and Qui-Gon wanted to “get back at him” or “escape trauma” or some shit like that, never because it is perfectly normal for a Jedi to find their strength in a form that is different from their teacher’s (see Anakin, Obi-Wan, WINDU, Dooku himself).

Or that because Master Dooku wore relatively regal looking robes (again, the only canonical proof of this we have is in TOTJ and COUNT Dooku, AKA ruler of Serenno) then he had a taste for “the finer things in life,” words used by EVERY fanfiction author, and was always either straight up a Sith the entire time or, at the very least, a bad Jedi who followed his own rules like Anakin. I disagree.

It has NEVER been canonically established that Dooku was an abusive man. In fact, remember that the Jedi consider Dooku a FRIEND? Even in AOTC when Padme rightly accuses Dooku of attempting to assassinate her, they extend to him the benefit of the doubt. Because he was a Jedi Master. A good one. So good, in fact, that when he outright aligns himself with a faction looking to actively separate from the Republic and the Jedi, they trust that his judgement is that he is doing right by his people. Not that he is plotting a galaxy-wide takeover.

(Don’t even get me started on Ki-Adi Mundi, the voice of reason, frequently being abused by the fans just because SOMEONE had to say this line. Clearly he’s evil! He’s an idiot! He’s corrupt! *rolls eyes*)

But why then did Dooku never meet Obi-Wan as a padawan, you ask?

It HAS been canonically established that Obi-Wan is a powerful Jedi and a powerful diplomat even before he became The Negotiator (they wouldn’t send any run-of-the-mill padawan and master duo to dispute the Naboo conflict, they sent DIPLOMATS). And he is Busy As Fuck. Remember, as a padawan he spent a YEAR on the run with Satine and Qui-Gon. And if you were to accept the Melida/Daan and Bandomeer arcs from Legends as canon, that probably adds up to another YEAR spent away from the temple, NOT including recovery time after those periods because we don’t have any real basis for how long it takes a Jedi, or even just Obi-Wan, to bounce back from the physical, mental, and Force trauma induced by these hefty skirmishes. Don’t forget, in two of these instances, Obi-Wan is only 13-14, and in the other he’s presumably about 18. And bacta tanks aren’t a magical fix-all. They don’t heal starvation, extremely long-term physical neglect/hurts, just like they don’t grow back limbs.

Dooku was also probably busy as hell. It is very likely that the two teams were never in the temple at the same time, or if they were, they were probably busy. Like teaching their respective padawans (remember a master can have more than one padawan, just not at the same time, and now that I think about it, it is pretty odd we never (hardly ever?) canonically see masters who have clearly had more than one padawan in their lifetime). Or healing from traumas. Or hanging out with friends. Or researching, or writing reports, or literally ANYTHING that could make someone busy enough to forgo introducing a child to their grandmaster. I mean, how many times did you visit your grandparents as a teenager? Probably not very often compared to the big picture that is your life.

Why didn’t they meet when Obi-Wan was knighted, then? Well, TOTJ shows us that Qui-Gon’s death was at least a little traumatic for his master, and that was his last straw. Dooku left. And after that, he probably didn’t want to see the child Qui-Gon raised. The boy who got to hear his pseudo-son’s final words and who died IN HIS ARMS. We also have NO IDEA in canon exactly how many missions Obi-Wan and Anakin went on, nor how long they lasted, but we can guess that they were an extremely busy pair knowing Obi-Wan’s prowess in diplomacy PLUS the recent reemergence of the literal thought-extinct Sith PLUS the frankly horrific ratio of Jedi to Force Null beings in the galaxy (meaning there just aren’t enough Jedi to get around to all these places) PLUS teaching a rescued slave child with childhood memories of the outer rim the ways of the Jedi and core worlds. We also know that by the time of AOTC, Anakin being probably about 17-18, possibly on the cusp of 19 which is his Knighting age, the pair have been on at least 9 missions where Anakin had to rescue Obi-Wan. Knowing Obi-WAN’s skill and power, and that these missions most likely occurred when Anakin was old enough to do things like save Obi-Wan from a whole NEST of gundarks, this is NOT a common occurrence. Even if consistently in 1 of every 5 missions Obi-Wan has to be rescued by Anakin, that adds to at least 40 missions where he didn’t. That’s a lot of missions in a ten year span on top of all the other things Jedi have to do that aren’t considered missions, again, like teaching, attending functions, researching and learning because Jedi must be a wellspring of knowledge to successfully mediate/placate/please whomever it is they’re interacting with.

#star wars #obi wan kenobi #pro jedi #dooku #master dooku #qui gon jinn #yes this is an anti Anakin post #it’s subtle #but it’s there #star wars legends #star wars canon #melida/daan #tales of the jedi #attack of the clones #jedi appreciation #star wars prequels

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hedonistbyheart · 1 year

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What I hate so much about Jedi Apprentice is that these writers picked out the one moment in the phantom menace where Qui-Gon was callous about Obi-Wan - because the council had backed him into a corner - and based their whole series around that one moment.

Obi-Wan knows Qui-Gon is trapped between the council and his own convictions in that scene, it's why he backs him up, despite disagreeing.

Qui-Gon isn't callous about Obi-Wan in general. In TPM we see Qui-Gon with a 25 year-old senior padawan. By all rights Obi-Wan should be a knight already, but he isn't because Qui-Gon has one thing left to teach him, just one: don't be afraid.

It's the first thing we hear him tell him, his most literal lesson to him in the movie, and it's an important lesson because fear in particular is so dangerous to jedi.

The rest of the time they are a perfect team and Qui-Gon never questions any action Obi-Wan takes on his own: he takes over negotiations with boss Nass, fixes their vehicles (twice), takes charge on his own in various battles and Qui-Gon doesn't tell him off or even comment. He trusts him implicitly.

Their communications on tatooine are practical, professional- they're partners. Some people who dislike Qui-Gon harp on about Qui-Gon being rude/cold to Obi-Wan when they talk, but no movie ever shows ppl signing off on calls so why should TPM be different? They're just working.

Obi-Wan is an adult and Qui-Gon praises and guides him when he needs to, but he doesn't need to very often, because Obi-Wan is a grown-ass adult!

Is Qui-Gon stubborn and tunnel visiony about Anakin? Yes, absolutely. Does that mean he was a terrible, abusive master to Obi-Wan in general? No it fucking doesn't.

When he is dying, he is desperate to fulfil a supernatural calling, and his words echo that, but his actions are to gently remove his padawan's tears like you would with your crying child. "Don't be afraid of the dark" is what that action says. His last lesson.

#star wars #anti jedi apprentice #star wars meta #star wars: the phantom menace #obi wan kenobi #qui gon jinn #also the level of melodramatic wump in JA in general is concerning asdfghkl #guys chill omg #the only ja thing that's been even vaguely referenced in canon is siri fucking tachi afaik

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kanansdume · 1 year

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I hate the way Filoni loves Qui-Gon Jinn. I hate the way Filoni raises Qui-Gon up above everyone else, the way he uses Qui-Gon to knock down the Jedi.

Because I love Qui-Gon. I love that he's a little complicated, I love the relationship he has with Obi-Wan and how angsty it is and how well they obviously do know each other and how much they love each other and how much that complicates everything that happens in The Phantom Menace.

Qui-Gon's not a saint, he's not enlightened, he's not better than everyone else.

And I love him. He's a major reason I remember loving the prequels and one of the characters I really clung to afterwards and wanted more of.

And I hate the way Filoni uses Qui-Gon, because I hate Filoni's Qui-Gon.

I love my Qui-Gon, the Qui-Gon that I believe Lucas actually wrote, the one that we actually see in the films. I want to grab him back from Filoni and refuse to let Filoni anywhere near Qui-Gon again.

#qui-gon jinn #star wars #anti dave filoni #dave filoni critical

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deniigi · 1 year

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this is me asking about qui-gon

thank you, dear. You're a real one.

For the last several weeks, I have been running into people shitting on Qui-Gon in every tag on every platform I go on. And I am emotionally bored and intellectually fascinated with this take.

It's like there is this dichotomy in the Obi-Wan side of Star Wars fandom (we are disregarding the anti-Jedi people rn because I respect zero of them and zero of their takes).

Qui-Gon was the worst and cannot be redeemed. He is nothing but an abuser and never did he ever like, let along love, Obi-Wan.

Qui-Gon was the softest, most gentle master ever. He only ever loved Obi-Wan and tenderly taught him how to be a jedi while also being his adoring jedi-father.

Naturally, as someone who has read a few of the Jedi Apprentice stories, begrudgingly watched The Phantom Menace, and recently seen the Kenobi show, I am just baffled by both of these takes.

To start, TPM and the Kenobi show are all about Obi-Wan grieving his master, and then trying to reconnect with his master, so that is clear and obvious so we will set that to the side.

JA Obi-Wan, however, is honestly hysterical in how annoying, disobedient, and bratty he is.

And like, maybe I don't agree that Qui-Gon should have left him in a Civil War, but in these books I read Qui-Gon as an adult who has been through some serious shit (lost a child, lost a master, lost a partner) and who has been pressured into taking care of an especially energetic, overenthusiastic dependent with pre-existing self-worth issues before he himself is ready to. He is also someone who's teaching style involves allowing a child to see the consequences of their actions and stepping in only when the child is truly out of their depth, which is also a form of compassionate teaching that respects a young person's agency, believe it or not--so his methods and general being is not inherently good or inherently bad.

But forgive me, I am applying nuance to a character. I must digress.

I think what baffles and fascinates me about fandom tendencies towards Qui-Gon is

1) They are almost entirely fandom-made, and rather than do their own research and thinking, folks are by and large content to just do what everyone else is doing.

2) Even when people do go back and read the source material for Legends, they come at it with a fandom bias which they then do not recognize/point out in their analyses, which is hilarious and so faux-intellectual I want to ask them if they feel very very smart.

3) Qui-Gon exists in fandom almost entirely to further Obi-Wan whump narratives.

To be clear, I'm okay with that last point because Obi-Wan whump is like, a whole narrative in Star Wars itself (although I personally, can only endure so much Obi-whump as I prefer characters with agency in their stories), but it does make me wonder if people ever think about Qui-Gon as a character on his own.

The answer is no. Don't worry, I'm not that naive.

Anyways, I just wish there was some variety in the tags and that one could find material on Qui-Gon without having to navigate the 'Qui-Gon Jinn's A+ Parenting' 'Qui-Gon is a good jedi but not a good man' 'Qui-Gon is a good master' tags.

Like it should be ludicrous and hilarious to people that this minor character is so polarized in fandom that you have to tag things like that such that one trench of people doesn't come in and attack you in your comments section.

It's wild!!

I truly hope people can look at what they're doing and go 'oh, this is actually absurd' because just admitting that might help us in the longer term to write interesting stories.

Thank you for letting me rant ❤

#qui-gon jinn #fic #also I have written so many fics that actually explore Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's relationship #and anti-qui-gon people still just flagrantly read them according to their own biases and comment on them thusly #and I am flummoxed I tell you!! Flummoxed!#read the room please!#I am not a qui-gon apologist but I do find him interesting and I find his relationship with Obi-Wan and its growth #to be the most interesting thing about them

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p4nishers · 1 year

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"if qui gon had survived anakin wouldn't have fallen to the dark side cause–" fuck yall. be so fr rn. that man left his 13 year old padawan in a middle of a war. he left him an another time in SLAVERY. he absulately smoked crack CONSISTENTLY and did not give a single fuck. in a bad way. he would've made things so much worse. please release this argument from your clutches i am so tired

#of course if we all ignore the 'no matter who or what changed if palps still got a chance to manipulate anakin the fall would've happened #no matter what' then we can even begin to consider shit like this #but seriously stop with this argument yall sound so dumb and it actually pains me to read each time and its always on some shitty pinterest #post paired with ugly ass emojis and rats ass english like actually stop before i puke yall exhausted this argument completely and just #want to blame shit on obi wan so that your fav pretty boy can go blameless fuck yall he was a grown ass man let people take responsibility #for their actions #anakin skywalker #anti qui gon jinn #qui gon jinn bashing #star wars

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beginnerblueglass · 2 years

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Honestly Certain Parts of this fandom suffer SOOOO badly from Main Character Bias Syndrome. Like hon, WE as the AUDIENCE know that Anakin is the central figure in this story, but the other characters (except for Palpatine?) don’t know that!! He was just a kid. Who Qui-Gon found and had a weird/good feeling about and Yoda had a weird/bad feeling about. And even despite that bad feeling, and Qui-Gon dying, and Anakin being too old to be trained, they still allowed him to be trained! They welcomed him into their family! They treated him as one of their own! Sent him and his master on many important missions! Knighted him and made him a general! Entrusted him with a Padawan!

“But they didn’t accommodate for his differences and trauma 😩” they cry. What? They should have bent over backwards and accommodated to him and broken their rules for him and babied him? Why?! Just because Anakin thinks he’s the main character doesn’t mean the other characters think he is.

#star wars #jedi #anakin skywalker #anti anakin skywalker #pro jedi #pro jedi order #pro jedi council #jedi love #jedi positive #main character bias #qui gon jinn #yoda

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jedi-enthusiast · 11 months

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Vague Obi-Wan lore from Bloodshed, Crimson Clover shitpost:

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Obi-Wan, eyes glowing, in an empty room: *talking in some ancient language no one can understand*

Some Random Jedi: ...is that not...concerning?

Qui-Gon: Last night I caught him floating on the ceiling and chanting ritualistically. When I asked what he was doing he told me that Master Katri was teaching him an old Je'daii mantra...so I consider this an improvement.

Some Random Jedi: ...isn't she dead?

Qui-Gon: Yes, which is why I will not be asking again.

BONUS:

Dooku, who literally just wants to eat and go to bed: *walks into his Temple quarters*

Obi-Wan:

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Dooku, backing out the door: Nope...nope...not tonight...I'll room with Qui-Gon...just...hell no...

The real reason he was so ready to stab Obi-Wan in AotC

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antianakin · 3 months

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I've decided I don't like the "disaster lineage" thing, I never really have, so I'm creating some new "lineage" names to better represent the way I interpret the characters.

The "infinite lineage" includes: Yoda, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Luke, and Rey.

I chose "infinite lineage" to reference how this lineage in particular is the one through which the Jedi Order keeps continuing on despite everything and everyone trying to wipe them off the map entirely. This is the lineage that PERSEVERES, that stays the course, that refuses to let the Jedi way of life die.

The "insidious lineage" includes: Palpatine, Anakin, Ahsoka, and the Ahsoka show version of Sabine.

This is the lineage that destroys, the one that passes on Sith teachings through subtle manipulation, slowly eroding the parts of its lineage that were once Jedi until what's left is just a sad pitiful little shell of selfishness and very little else. You can include characters like Dooku, Maul, Savage, and Ventress in here as well, though obviously these are all different branches stemming from Palpatine rather than one nice unbroken line, but the same general concept still applies. Anything good that used to exist in some of these people is just slowly chipped away by darkness until nothing's left of the people they used to be.

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rogue205 · 2 years

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A Very Controversial Opinion...

But I honestly do not get the complete and utter support for Obi-Wan while people trash others who have dared to challenge him and his opinions such as Qui-Gon and Anakin. Obi-Wan is not perfect and I don’t get why people are trying to pretend he is. He’s actually got serious flaws too.

Obi-Wan is a good character, yes, but he has his shortcomings too. Watching Episode I as an adult these days only made me notice that Obi-Wan is not nice to Anakin from the moment they met despite having no reason to be mean, even badmouthing him while he’s standing *right there* and only takes him on as a Padawan because Qui-Gon asked him to. Hell, I think the very first time he calls Anakin by his name and not “the boy” or “pathetic life form” is at the end of the movie. The Council had decided Anakin had the potential to be dangerous despite only being nine-years-old so Obi-Wan didn’t question, and just followed their word, even getting mad at Qui-Gon for not listening too at one point. He tries to rebuke his own MASTER! But Qui-Gon never treated him the way Obi-Wan treats Anakin.

I also don’t stick with the headcanon floating around that Qui-Gon “just threw Obi-Wan to the wolves” so he could train Anakin instead. Qui-Gon is no fool and its clear that Obi-Wan WAS ready for the trials. He killed a freaking Sith who was very strong(and a badass) not long after that meeting for god’s sake. Granted, it seems he had to use his anger to do so, but he did even though using anger like that is something he scolds Anakin for regularly. Qui-Gon was not “trying to ditch him” and the fact that Maul actually survived doesn’t matter. Obi-Wan still beat him.

I’ll argue that Obi-Wan had numerous chances to prevent Anakin’s Fall but he didn’t listen most of the time, preached the Code at him despite breaking it himself, and even broke Anakin’s trust FIRST. He is too much of a stickler for rules and didn’t try to understand Anakin’s issues which resulted from his background as a slave when he also had to leave his mother behind at only nine years old. Anakin also implies that worse than that happened but he got NO help from anyone, including Obi-Wan in dealing with it. It’s not even just Obi-Wan really, it can be argued that the entire Jedi Order let Anakin down, starting with NO ONE questioning Palpatine’s interest in him and stopping their meetings. It took 13 years of conditioning and manipulation for Palpatine to finally push Anakin over the edge, but before this happened, Anakin had gone to Obi-Wan, Padme and even YODA but was brushed off by ALL THREE. Yet Padme and Obi-Wan get the support. They both claim to love him but both either couldn’t see or refused to see that he was struggling. All they saw was the Hero and Face of the Republic army. (Question: has Obi-Wan ever told Anakin he loved him to his FACE before the Mustafar fight? Could’ve made a difference if not. Probably.)

A bit dramatic, but if you think about it, the Jedi were treating Anakin as much of a slave as he was on Tatooine. Without the bomb of course but one could make the argument that Qui-Gon took him from one form of slavery to another. I know we all love the Ani-Obi brotherhood but the fact is, Obi-Wan has let him down several times, and yes the opposite happened too, and the light side lost the war against the Sith long before Episode III. They lost as soon as Qui-Gon was killed by Maul. Obi-Wan is not necessarily guilty of THIS, he’s just ignorant to the shortcomings of the Order as a whole.

One of the biggest things that bothers me really is that in Episode III, Obi-Wan maims Anakin to win the fight, YES he did warn him, but he did this and then just left him there to suffer a horrible death by burning alive made even worse when he didn’t actually die. Obi-Wan makes excuses for this, and even in Episode IV, still doesn’t take responsibility. No wonder Vader is so pissed off especially if one takes into account the rumor that Palpatine had rigged Vader’s surgery to keep him in perpetual pain and therefore below Palpatine in power. Not that Vader was trying to get away but still.

In comparison to that last, in the Episode IV Death Star confrontation, Vader actually grants Obi-Wan a much swifter end with a single swing of his lightsaber. Vader is a Sith but of the two, he gave the more humane end and to someone who he saw as an enemy, not to mention that Obi-Wan actually used this to manipulate Luke against Vader because he only stopped fighting after he saw Luke watching. At least Luke calls him out on this in Episode VI after he finds out the truth about Vader. I can argue the possibility that Padme may have gotten through to Anakin on Mustafar but we won’t ever know because Obi-Wan essentially betrayed her trust too by secretly stowing away on her ship, which is what caused Vader to turn on her.

Excuse my rant, but this is something in the fandom that bugs the ever loving heck out of me. It isn’t anti-ANYONE(except Palpatine), but some have their flaws and bad decisions glossed over and are made to look like perfect saints while others are made to look like horrid horrid people for daring to not agree with Obi-Wan and his decisions/opinions. Anakin was attacked since the prequels were made and I don’t agree with most of what people say, but I don’t understand where the sudden Qui-Gon bashing came from. Even several posts made “to remember Padme” are just covers to bash Anakin instead.

Off topic now, but some of the bashing of Anakin is getting out of hand. I found one where someone created a photoshop of Owen’s (deserved) remark against Obi-Wan in “Kenobi” and warping it to him making it against Anakin about not saving Shmi and someone else in the comments declared that it “was deserved! lol!!” Um no. It wasn’t and if anyone was to blame for that aside from the Tuskan Raiders, it was technically Cliegg Lars for letting her go out alone. But I digress.

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