#&. doctor bashir i presume ( julian )

[vulgarvulcan]

i adore in fics when people find out about julian’s enhancements and then julian lets down his guard and people can see an actual a change, like suddenly there’s something unfamiliar about him? something much deeper and mature? not because everything about julian before the revelation has been a SHAM or anything, i just like the idea of all these intelligent people having totally underestimated julian, the young, naive doctor, when really julian’s been one step ahead of them the whole time, letting them see him a certain way. the concept of others finally getting to see they had the wrong idea, especially back when they sort of saw julian as somewhat less than, the whole time. it’s about that moment of oh. he’s been the smartest guy in the room the whole time. them suddenly not seeing naivety, but seeing power. that. i like that.

#i guess this is another moment of me kinning julian a little too hard #i would love a moment like that #like oh. we had no idea did we #only i’m too much of a) an oversharer and b) a dumbass #julian bashir #star trek ds9 #alexander siddig #star trek deep space nine #st: ds9 #doctor bashir i presume #augment #star trek deep space 9 #genetic engineering #star trek #ds9 #trekkies #fanfiction #doctor bashir #gene roddenberry #garashir #fanfic #headcanons

[deepspacetits]

Of all the heartbreak contained within “Doctor Bashir, I presume?” I think this is the most heartbreaking thing to me:

- “You don't know. You've never had a child. You don't know what it's like to watch your son. To watch him fall a little further behind every day. You know he's trying, but something's holding him back. You don't know what it's like to stay up every night worrying that maybe it's your fault. Maybe you did something wrong during the pregnancy, maybe you weren't careful enough, or maybe there's something wrong with you. Maybe you passed on a genetic defect without even knowing it.”

Because, while it may be true they weren’t ashamed of young Jules, it still stands that the genetic resequencing was about them. About Amsha and Richard, and not about Julian. They made him illegal, and they say it’s Julian’s own good, but even here, it becomes about them and their feelings. It’s not about doing the right thing for Julian, it’s about setting their minds at ease. It’s about fixing something they believe is wrong with him.

Not even when they’re trying to say they did this for Julian, is it about Julian.

#maybe it’s just the undiagnosed AuDHD #but it makes me ache #they made him illegal to settle their own fears #anyway #I’m gonna go cry now #ds9 #julian bashir #doctor bashir I presume

[magpieandpossum]

I have a strong belief that everyone who even comes in contact with Bashir and has any semblance of a gaydar just...knows. Case-in-point:

+ bonus snark after he makes the adjustments:

#clocked his ass in 2 seconds FLAT #i mean COME ON #that's crazy bro you met him 5 seconds ago and are already making fun of his zestyness #are you wrong? no. but have some decorum #star trek #ds9 #deep space nine #deep space 9 #star trek deep space nine #star trek ds9 #ds9 bashir #bashir #bashir ds9 #dr bashir #julian bashir #doctor bashir #st ds9 #gifset #star trek gif #doctor bashir i presume

[quarks-pussy]

So I know we here at Startrekfandom love that "came back wrong but from the pov of the wrong" thing and apply it to many different characters and canon situations and I am far from trying to complain about it (I'm "came out wrong" trope myself so I was always gonna obsess over it) but having recently watched a very important episode (you'll know which one) for the first time I think there's a character who hits both tropes mentioned but llike, intertwined, opposite and subverted, and whom I wanna talk about.

Julian Bashir.

From his parents' pov he's "came out wrong but we got him help and he came back better" while from his own pov it's "came out 'insufficient', was destroyed for it, came back wrong and only later slowly came to terms with his new self tho never the process (justifiably so)" and it's heartbreaking because in a way, he's right! Jules Bashir died! His parents had an intellectually disabled child and decided to eugenics him! Julian is not the person he used to be and while I do love the person he is now, that doesn't bring back who he was! Part of me wishes we could've gotten to see Jules at least once and part of me hopes we never do because my heart would shatter.

This isn't a good comparison but nonetheless one I can't help drawing: it's giving similar vibes to anti-vaxxers. "I'd rather risk having a child who is dead than one who's autistic". Obviously this doesn't map over since Julian is still autistic and the procedure his parents subjected him to specifically targeted his intellectual disability and if any folks with id wanna comment on this I definitely recommend you listen to them over me, but it's a similarity I, as an autistic who has encountered anti-vaxxers again and again, can't help but point out. "Give me a normal child or give them death."

This may have been written about already but there needs to be stories about teenage Julian (after finding out and rediscovering who he was) practicing some good ol' recognition of the self through media. I need to hear about how he would encounter a story about someone who came back wrong (I'm gonna assume there's plenty of "wrong" pov stories floating around by the 24th century) and absolutely weep. I need to see Julian mourning Jules, taking years and years to process his feelings, experiencing guilt about how he, the imposter, didn't deserve to live Jules' life.

Came back wrong from the returned's pov but it wasn't an accident. It was done to you deliberately by the people who claim to love you. And now you are here, piloting the corpse of your predecessor.

Jules Bashir is dead. Long live Julian Bashir.

#i've called julian jules before simply as a normal nickname but i don't think i ever will again. not after this #and knowing that if it had been possible i would have probably gone the way jules did. knowing that at his age i would have gone willingly. #fuck dude i am literally actually crying literal tears irl right now this is not a joke #fuck!!!!! #julian bashir #jules bashir #doctor bashir i presume #came back wrong #star trek deep space nine #HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD!! HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD AND THEY KILLED HIM!!!! #i cannot stop crying i am literally crying and like not even just a little #i cannot... poor julian how the FUCK do you ever come to terms with something like that #and like... julian remembers. he has most if not all of jules' memories and also knows he was murdered simply for not being julian #like how did he cope #(im about to go off on a tangent that will contain censored names for the sake of not clogging those tags if you dont know who i mean hmu) #like this is literally the thing that fucked up j*ran so bad he went on a murder spree isn't it #he remembers the one who came before who was killed. very different circumstances of course esp since tr*ll are expected to replace one ano #another but he remembers this person he remembers BEING this person who was young and simply enjoying life and who died a sudden death and #he remembers the experience of that death as well and how it lead to his own creation. it's not remotely similar ofc but considering that #the only time we see t*rias in alpha canon is in julian's body... i need to lie down for a moment. #and jor*n couldn't cope! he couldn't! it was far too much and the weird thing is right now in this moment i GET it y'know?? like that's #so horrific. and i haven't watched any jo*an episode besides facets yet but do you think. do you think j*dzia told julian about all this an #he nodded along and kept composure and then when he was alone he broke down crying? like julian you're doing SO well ily you're coping and #you shouldn't have to obviously but you do nonetheless!! do you think julian still has something from jules? like i've heard there's a tedd #but i mean jules prolly didn't keep a diary he was a six year old with an intellectual disability it's pretty unlikely he could write but #does julian have drawings made by jules? i'd like to think so but honestly his parents probably threw them out. like they also moved so #sorry i'm just. many thoughts head full. ive stopped crying now but who knows for how long. also i'll have to tag this with my original tag #maybe i should've picked something less silly for when i make serious posts but like what am i gonna change my url as well? don't think so #original posts fresh from quark's pussy #and thats the tag limit folks it's been fun. i had to delete two other tags but my god. anyway. thinking about jules bashir forever & cryin

[cardassianrock]

#from the star trek website. #look I know this isn't out of the usual and these articles are already notoriously progressive I know that #BUT i'm a trans man named julian. ok. I'm happy about this #(btw the writer of this article is ALSO trans and named julian. good for us 😌) #julian bashir #ds9 #julian.txt #doctor bashir I presume

[holishkes]

hey did this line pull anyone else's heart out through their throat or just me

#doctor bashir i presume #julian bashir

[aurora-nova-fic]

Breaking news from 1996: “Doctor Bashir, I Presume” at one point had a very different conversation with Admiral Bennett. (Also, Amsha’s name was Mariel, but that’s less fascinating to me.)

Doesn’t that cast the revelation in a whole new light? I was practically squealing with glee when I read it.

I found this gem in my latest treat for myself. This is a final draft of the episode’s script with the colored revision pages kept separately (most versions you can buy have the edits replacing previous versions of the page), so I had fun browsing what changed along the way.

If anyone cares to join me in geeking out over this, I would love the company. =)

#ds9 #doctor bashir i presume #star trek script #julian bashir #script collecting #st ds9

[riversmelody]

TW: eugenics and ableism

I think it’s really important to bring up things about Amsha Bashir aside from her involvement in Julian’s genetic engineering.

Amsha has a tendency to placate and excuse when Richard hurts or upsets Julian and I’m glad this is shown in the show, but I wanted to address and talk about it more.

What his parents did to him and the way Richard handles Julian’s grief about having been genetically modified is easier to tell when it comes to ways Julian has been harmed. A more subtle form of harm is having a parent defend or change the subject when the other parent says or does something harmful, without even acknowledging or trying to understand the child’s feelings or thoughts about the situation.

Scenes from Doctor Bashir, I Presume?

Richard: “Despite what the authorities would like us to believe, genetic engineering is nothing to be ashamed of. You’re not any less human than anyone else. In fact, you’re a little more.”

Amsha: “We didn’t come here to start another fight. Let’s just, try to get through this.”

Richard equates societal standards of intelligence with what makes someone more or less human, and there’s the implication that he saw Julian as less human before they had him modified. This was brushed off by Amsha and she wasn’t upset with his comment, she just didn’t want there to be another argument.

Amsha: “You don’t know. You’ve never had a child. You don’t know what it’s like to watch your son… to watch him fall a little further behind every day. You know he’s trying, but… something’s holding him back. You don’t know what it’s like to stay up every night worrying that maybe… it’s your fault. Maybe you did something wrong during the pregnancy, maybe you weren’t careful enough, or maybe there’s something wrong with you. Maybe you passed on a genetic defect without even knowing it. You can condemn us for what we did, you can say it’s illegal or immoral or whatever you want to say, but you have to understand that we didn’t do it because we were ashamed. It was because you’re our son, and we loved you.” (argument ends and Amsha hugs Julian)

I’m aware she does love Julian and didn’t intend to hurt him. It’s fair for Amsha to feel distressed about raising a disabled child. It’s difficult, society is often unaccepting, it’s hard to find resources, many teachers and even doctors are dismissive and non-understanding, etc. (does not make the genetic modifications done on Julian ok, but it is ok to struggle and be distressed about things)

But Julian was talking about how their decision to change his brain to the point where they essentially killed the son they originally had greatly harmed him. He was talking about how they decided he was worthless and wouldn’t amount to much, if anything, at 6 years old.

At the same time, Richard was continuously defending him and Amsha’s decision and belittling Julian for feeling the way he did about the situation. Amsha didn’t say anything about this. Even if she was afraid to intensify the argument, she could have acknowledged or validated Julian’s feelings in some way, but she didn’t. She continued helping Richard in defending their actions, although she was nicer/more polite about it.

Just wanted to discuss this aspect more in detail, since it’s shown but not really addressed in the episode

#julian bashir #richard bashir #amsha bashir #star trek deep space nine #star trek deep space 9 #star trek #doctor bashir i presume

[palominodragon]

oh, so Bashir's parents are the "woe is me, my child is neurodivergant, why is life so hard and terrible to me" type of parents. Oof.

Love the mood shift in this episode. Starts out hilarious and then there's that argument and you're like "oh, there's some real shit going down!" o_o

#deep space nine #ds9 #julian bashir #doctor bashir I presume #and the fact that they used technology outlawed specifically because of an event called the Eugenics War... #gotta love Trek being anything but subtle

[phiatheox]

okay so I understand that "if wishes were horses" could be a difficult episode for #bashirnation because if you take fake! Jadzia at face value then he becomes insufferable. but as someone who is unable to take off my queer-tinted glasses at any time I would like to put forward the interpretation that it serves as a strong case study for Julian suffering from comphet.

now, it's been a while since I've watched the episode so I cannot provide an extremely detailed analysis, but I remember that in the scene where fake! Jadzia is first introduced Julian's initial reaction was to reject her (yes this can be seen as just responding to context clues and being polite but we're having a gay time here), and it's only after she asks him why he's fighting this that he thinks *you're right, society says I SHOULD want this*, and starts kissing her back.

afterwards, when he learns that she's just a manifestation of his thoughts, he responds to her propositions with embarrassment at best and outright repulsion at worst, as if the idea of a version of Jadzia that reciprocates his feelings fills Julian with discomfort. at one point, the alien even says something along the lines of "why would mine create a woman to reject her?" and that's the thing, because to me this episode confirms that Julian doesn't actually like Jadzia: he's just chosen her as the one to safely project his desire to fit into cishetero patriarchal norms onto because she's never actually going to like him back, which is why when faced with a version of her that does, he completely loses interest.

#presumably ds9 is meant to be set in a future where homophibia doesn't exist anymore #but things do not exist in vaccums and the show is a product of it's time #and if that was the case the characters' relationships to gender would be altered #i also feel like there's something to be said about how imagined jadzia vanishes after telling julian he's the best doctor #like? #is that what he really wanted to hear all along? #or does he disagree with it so much that it breaks the fantasy #anyways i didn't plan this out before writing it can you tell #ds9 #julian bashir #jadzia dax #also I wanna be clear this interpretation can be applied to all queer julian headcanons #im partial to aspec bi julian myself #but aroace and gay julian hcs are also good and valid #if wishes were horses #long post #meta #? #is this what a meta is?

[vulcanssaygayrights]

i bet julian bashir has some real chicken-scratch doctor handwriting, but i also bet he taught himself to write messy on purpose at age 15, because his parents never would have accepted anything less than perfectly neat script when he was a kid

#right around the time when he found out he was an augment #and he started to hate being called jules #that's when he starts changing his handwriting #it's so perfect it makes him feel sick #just like the rest of his life actually #julian bashir #star trek ds9 #ds9 #st: ds9 #star trek: deep space nine #doctor bashir i presume

[vulgarvulcan]

dad: do you know the famous phrase “doctor livingstone, i presume?”

me: actually no, but i figure one of the best episodes of my favorite star trek show is named after it

dad:

me:

dad:

me: it’s called “doctor bashir, i presume?” :)

#i could feel the disappointment #sara’s psychobabble #star trek ds9 #doctor bashir i presume #julian bashir #star trek deep space nine #garashir #siddig el fadil #alexander siddig #doctor bashir #st ds9 #star trek deep space 9

[philosopherking1887]

The Honest Man’s Lie: Chapter 6

Fandom: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

Ship: Julian Bashir/Elim Garak

Part of the fic series The Spy Who Came In From the Cold

Fic summary: Dr. Lewis Zimmerman comes to Deep Space 9 to immortalize Dr. Julian Bashir as a Long-Term Medical Hologram, and all Garak needs to do is be honest in an interview about his acquaintance with Bashir – but not too honest. Then Dr. Bashir’s parents arrive, and Garak is caught in the turmoil that upends his lover’s life. It turns out Bashir is better at keeping a secret than Garak ever gave him credit for…

Chapter summary: Julian has just shared with Garak his greatest secret -- that he was genetically modified as a child -- and they continue to discuss everything that means for them.

(The link preview wasn’t displaying properly so I just did this.)

#my fanfiction #garashir fanfiction #garashir #garak x bashir #julian bashir x elim garak #doctor bashir i presume #dbip fic

[pilots-and-protons]

How do people on here make gif sets? Is it photoshop? Are there any ways to make gif sets if you don't have photoshop?

I really want a specific Star Trek gif set, but I don't know how to make one - and I don't have any friends to ask either. :/

#Star trek #Ds9 #Voy #Gifset #I need some help here #I am not competent or knowledgeable #In making gifs #How do people DO it #I just want a side by side #Of Tom Paris being checked by the emh #In cathexis #And Julian bashir being scanned #By Zimmerman in doctor bashir I presume #Because they have the same energy #And I just need to see those scenes #Next to each other #My brain won't let it gooooooo

[themolldollincident]

Me: I like Star Trek DS9 "The Wire" and "Doctor Bashir, I Presume" and "Empok Nor" because of the themes of identity and control, about questioning how much of who we are is actually us vs how much of it is our genetics/environment/what we are exposed to

Also Me: hnnnng pretty hyper-controlled boy loses control of himself and of his image and is forced against his will to expose his most intimate thoughts and feelings and aspects to everyone and face his own deeply internalized shammme 🤤🤤🤤

Need to add these kinds of stories to my list of nsfw imagines to write, the smut potential is just off the charts

#thespectaclexx #star trek ds9 #deep space nine #ds9 #nsft #nsft text #queer nsft #trans nsft #empok nor #doctor bashir i presume #the wire #garak #julian bashir

[hrshl-soong-laforge]

So I just watched "Doctor Bashir, I presume" and I have a few thing to say about how it was dealt with.

First, I think he forgives his parents too easily, but that's might be just on me and my bad relationship with my own family and the wish to see at least one time a moment where the family doesn't get back together and it's ok.

Second, the fact that the parents went all the way to do something illegal to "help" their son at the risk to lose their career, to condemn their son to not have access to some jobs but also they treated him a bit like an experiment as a kid since they did their stuff on him.

I'm also wondering about the risks they went through, medically talking. They kinda messed up with the brain right? So how could they be so sure it will work? How could they know that they won't end up with a mini-Khan?

All that put aside, now what Julian's mother tells him. She said that they did it to help him. That at no moment they were disappointed or ashamed or else about him being much slower than the other kids. But if you didn't had any problems with that, why go all the way to fix him?

What she says doesn't fit what they did. I link that to neurodiversity and it is known that the parents that want to fix their child are the ones that see their kid as a burden. That they fear that they won't fit in society, that they will have problems, that the kid won't be able to live an easy life. And those parents aren't the ones that understand their kids, those aren't the one that will listen to their kid first.

So if you aren't this kind of parents, why act like them? That just doesn't fit, it's completely illogical.

#DS9 #Julian Bashir #Star Trek #It also makes me think about what my mother told me #The whole worrying part #But doesn't she understand that life isn't easy no matter what you do? #And that even if I don't completely fit it doesn't mean that I'm not happy or that I regret my life choices? #It just mirror so much with what happened in this episode that I can't let go of it #Long post #Doctor Bashir I presume