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WFS 374 - Getting Started in Fly Fishing with Brian Flechsig - Mad River Outfitters, Midwest Fly Fishing School

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/374

Presented By: Range Meal Bars, Country Financial, FishHound Expeditions, Zoe Angling Group

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Brian Flechsig, founder of Mad River Outfitters, takes us back to square one today as we break down the steps to getting started in fly fishing. We find out the 6 basic things that you need to understand as a beginner and why the leader is one of the most important parts of your gear.

We dig into their YouTube channel that's about to hit 200k subscribers with over 500 videos published, how they make it educational and entertaining, and why they don't want to specifically promote any brands.

Brian also shares about his 30 years of friendship with Kelly Galloup and some of the fly-fishing folks we know.

Mad River Outfitters Show Notes with Brian Flechsig 

08:00 - When Brian was in college, he was immersed in playing music and fly fishing. He played the Mandolin and studied jazz guitar. He eventually quit college to work at a music store and then later worked at a fly shop in Cincinnati, Ohio where he became a guide and a shop manager.

09:50 - Brian hosted his first trip in the Fall of 1990 at the Pere Marquette River. His guides were Charlie Weaver, Walt Grau, and Kelly Galloup.

11:30 - In December 1994, Brian opened Mad River Outfitters in Columbus, Ohio

12:15 - Brian talks about Clyde Rolf who was a great friend and customer at Mad River fly shop. He invented the Nicorette Gum.

16:00 - He noted a YouTube video they created with Brad Befus, President of Scientific Anglers

31:55 - Brian and Kelly have been friends for 33 years now

35:00 - Mad River Outfitters is about to hit 200k subscribers - subscribe here

40:00 - Brian shares some advice: Surround yourself with the right people

43:30 - They have a YouTube series, Getting Started in Fly Fishing where Episode 1 teaches the 6 basic things that you need to understand as a beginner:

1. Understand a fly rod 2. Understand a fly reel 3. Understand the fly line system 4. Have a few basic accessories (including a fly) 5. Have some polarized sunglasses 6. You need a body of water that has fish

50:00 - Brian talks about how they answer email questions from people

57:42 - Brian explains why the leader is one of the most important parts of your gear

1:02:30 - Fish early or fish late to avoid river traffic in Mad River

1:08:45 - The best question Brian had was: How do you know what you're fishing for?

1:12:30 - They did a trip to Labrador for the trophy brook trout, New Orleans for redfish, tarpon and bonefishing in Florida, etc. One of the most exotic trips they did was in the Amazon jungle in Brazil for peacock bass.

1:15:25 - Sam Bush is Brian's mandolin hero

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/374

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WFS 372 - Fly Fishing Tennessee with Seth Fields - Tennessee Tarpon, Hatch Outfitters

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/372

Presented By: FishHound Expeditions, Zoe Angling Group, Country Financial, Range Meal Bars

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Seth Fields, owner of The Hatch Outfitters, is here to walk us through the diversity of Tennessee fly fishing. We chat about some of the species they target around the Chattanooga area - trout, smallmouth bass, Tennessee tarpon, gar, and more.

Seth tells us how he started writing articles for some of the well-known magazines around like American Angler, Gray's Sporting Journal, and Fly Tyer Magazine. We also find out what they have going at the fly shop - Oyster Roast and Casting Competition, Fly Tying Nights, and the 24/7 beer bar!

Fly Fishing Tennessee Show Notes with Seth Fields

03:00 - Seth is a product of the movie, A River Runs Through It. His father is an avid outdoorsman and he later found out that his great-grandfather is a fly fisherman.

07:30 - Seth and his family now live in Chattanooga. It's been their dream to live there.

20:30 - Hatch Outfitters is the only fly shop in Chattanooga

21:30 - Seth used to be a Graphic Designer and then started contributing to magazines like American Angler, Gray's Sporting Journal, and Fly Tyer Magazine - he wrote articles, ran their websites and social media, etc.

23:15 - He became an Editor for the Angling Report publication

26:45 - In May 2020, Seth bought Hatch Outfitters fly shop

37:00 - The local streams in Chattanooga are their first option for trout - North Chickamauga Creek and Big Soddy

40:00 - Hiwassee River and Elk River are about an hour away from Chattanooga

42:00 - Seth targets muskies from Fall to Winter until early Spring - around November to May

45:50 - Seth talks about hooking people up with some excellent local guides in the area

51:15 - He uses a Hog Island skiff boat

57:00 - Seth talks about fishing for buffalo fish that looks like carp but they're a native species

1:02:00 - Seth is also a huge gar guy

1:04:00 - I mentioned one of our past episodes with Jon Morris at WFS 361 where we focused on gar fishing

1:10:00 - They have an event coming up on October 22, 2022 - Oyster Roast & Casting Competition

1:11:00 - He talks about the Tennessee tarpon - it's the nickname of Skipjack Herring

1:15:25 - We had Tim Landwehr on the podcast in episode 273 where we talked about sight fishing for smallmouth bass. Tim's operation guides on the river that Seth's cabin is on.

1:25:30 - They have a beer bar at the shop

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/372

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WFS 371 - Urban Carp on the Fly with Kris Bare - AZ Fly Shop, Carp Rally, Fly Tying

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/371

Presented By: Togens Fly Shop, Angler's Coffee, FishHound Expeditions, Bearvault

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Kris Bare from AZ Fly Shop takes us into Arizona to discover how he catches massive carp on the fly in the city. Kris breaks down the rod and line setup for carp, the best time to fish them, and the best flies and techniques to increase your catch rate. Carp are normally underrated species but today, Kris tells us why they're actually great for sport fishing.

We also find out how they raised around $30,000 for local charities like the Homeless ID Project and what they have going at AZ Fly Shop - the only fly shop in Phoenix.

Carp on the Fly Show Notes with Kris Bare

06:00 - AZ Fly Shop has only been open for about a year and a half. He connected with the owner from a Facebook group and Kris was eventually offered to manage the shop.

10:10 - They have grass carp and common carp. Kris mostly fish for common carp.

11:30 - Salt River Project is a power company in Arizona. They use grass carp as pool cleaners for the canals.

14:15 - For rods, Kris uses Scott Sector saltwater style 6 wt. For lines, he uses Scientific Anglers smooth line.

15:30 - There's no standard line for carp fishing but if any company plans on creating one, Kris describes what it should be. "Somewhere between the trout line and infinity line. And it should have a tropical coating or make it as hard of a coating as it can be".

18:30 - Kris gives a shoutout to Derek @lowaterguide who's a great carp guide in Phoenix

19:30 - Common carp usually eat flies that stand straight up like headstand patterns, dragonfly nymphs, or damsel fly nymphs. Grassies usually go for plant-like flies that are more colorful.

21:30 - AZ is the only fly shop in Phoenix

22:30 - For leaders, Kris uses 12 and 14-foot 3X. Umpqua's 8-pound 10-foot is a pretty good leader.

26:25 - SRP owns the grass carp

27:30 - Kris walks about 7 miles every time he's fishing for carp. Carp fishing is moving. The more water you can cover, the more successful you'll be.

28:30 - Carp likes hot weather. The best time to fish them is when it's too hot outside.

34:10 - F&F Chewing Gum worm is great for swinging flies for carp

37:42 - In Phoenix they have: arctic grayling, brookies, browns, rainbows, tigers, apache trout, hellas, and bonneville cutts

43:10 - We had an episode about Beaver Island at WFS 102

49:55 - Kris mentions some other species that he targets like sucker fish, tilapia, tiger sicclid, and catfish

53:55 - The Carpalicious is a good fly. Kris doesn't go anything without Black and Brown Wooly Buggers.

59:10 - Kris gives a shoutout to Henry @littleboss2hauler from the Youth Team Fly Fishing USA

1:01:00 - AZ Fly Shop has already raised around 30,000 dollars for local charities. They're having their 2nd Carp Rally on Sept 24, 2022.

1:09:00 - One of the number one causes of homelessness in Arizona is kids aging out of foster care. They donate a lot of money to the Homeless ID Project where they help the homeless to obtain important documents so they can get a job and a place to live, etc.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/371

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WFS 370 - Skeena River Spey Lodge with Brian Niska - Steelhead, Salmon, Skagit

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/370

Presented By: Togens Fly Shop, Country Financial, Zoe Angling Group, FishHound Expeditions

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Brian Niska takes us to the Skeena River and basin with a focus on swinging flies for main-stem steelhead. We find out how he targets migrating versus holder fish, when you should be fishing the shallow water, and how to get your swing to slow down.

This one is jam-packed with tips and takes on exact time, location, position.. it's all here! Brian is very articulate in elaborating techniques that you can already imagine how it works. Check it out right now!

Skeena River Show Notes with Brian Niska

12:00 - Brian and Jeff Pieroway designed some Spey rods called Metal Detector

13:00 - Brian tells the story of how they bought a guiding lodge business at Skeena riverside which was previously owned by a German family

20:00 - Fishing season starts in mid-March at Skeena

26:00 - He explains how slowing down the cast is the key to effective Spey casting

32:00 - Tip: If you're using running mono line, you don't have access to both sides of the river, and you're often fishing on the same side of your body, you need to find a way to incorporate some rotation to the other direction to keep your line going nice and straight.

32:55 - Tip: The older the mono line is, the better it fishes because it's got a stretch. Don't wait, put that stretch in as soon as you get it. A good way to get it stretched is to get it warm. Put it in a bowl of warm water and give it a good hard stretch.

36:00 - The busiest time of the year at Skeena Lodge is the end of August since most of the salmon species are available in August

38:10 - When people say they are going to fish the Skeena, what they really mean is that they're going to fish the Bulkley

39:45 - He talks about a picture of a 40-pound dead steelhead back in the 80s

48:45 - Brian mentioned the episode with Jeff Liskay and pointed out the tip about the importance of having a high rod tip. WFS 362 was the latest one with Jeff.

55:50 - "The anglers that are consistently successful are the ones that believe that every single bump is a fish and are willing to repeat the cast, and willing to let the fly fish its way out, they're not rushing to the next cast."

57:20 - They fish Skagit line most of the time and a little bit Scandi in the Winter

58:45 - Brian was on the River Rambler podcast

1:04:10 - The number one most common life history of a Skeena steelhead is 4 years in fresh water and 2 years in salt

1:04:30 - The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is a long-term ocean fluctuation of the Pacific Ocean. The PDO waxes and wanes approximately every 20 to 30 years.

1:13:00 - Early September to October is a great time to fish the Skeena

1:17:00 - Malcolm Wood is a big advocate of climate change - he makes movies about climate change awareness. His latest movie is called, The Last Glaciers

1:18:50 - Brian mentioned Bob Hooton from SteelheadVoices.com

1:25:50 - Advice: When you're fishing the Skeena for the first time is plan to be mobile. Plan to fish 3 or 4 different rivers and come for as longest period that your schedule allows. And don't fish with people in the same spot - spread the pressure out, that's the best move.

1:27:25 - For flies, Brian uses Stewart's Steel Pig. He recommends bringing a small and large version of the fly you're using.

1:30:20 - Brian recommends Bob Hooton's book about the Skeena

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/370

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WFS 369 - Jerry French on Intruder Flies, Spey, Steelhead - REPLAY from 2020

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/369

Presented By: Range Meal Bars, Angler's Coffee, Togens Fly Shop, Jackson Hole Fly Company

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Jerry French, steelhead flies innovator, shares the story of how Intruder flies, Skagit Spey lines, and short Spey rods came to be. We find out how they changed the game big time for steelhead fly fishing.

Jerry tells us how they tried to keep their ideas secret and when they realized that it was time to share them with the community. We also talk about some of his signature flies like the Dirty Hohs and Sculpins.

This is a replay episode from 2020 and also one of our most downloaded episodes so it's great to listen to it again.

Intruder Flies Show Notes with Jerry French

06:30 - We had George Cook on the podcast in episode 131 where we dug into the history of the Northwest Spey.

11:15 - A 13-foot 6 wt rod was considered short back then

13:30 - Jerry tells the story of when they were on a road trip, fishing and guiding, sleeping in the car, and didn't shower for days.

18:00 - Jerry talks about the evolution of Intruder flies

22:25 - They weren't planning on sharing the Intruder secrets with anyone but some of their flies got stolen on one of their fishing trips

26:60 - Jerry talks about that time when they realized that it was time to share their secret with the community

32:00 – Jerry was an original founder of OPST and was all about getting Ed Ward paid for his contribution. The ultra-compact heads were a big part of what Jerry and Ed developed.

37:20 - Joseph Rossana was on the podcast in episode 136

42:00 - Jerry describes what a Dirty Hoh platform is and why it's so special to him

46:30 - Listener question: Do you swing butt or broad side on the swing? Jerry says: Straight up, no questions - always broad side. He calls it "controlled" and explains in detail.

56:00 - Jerry shares why he had to part ways with OPST and build Aqua Flies with Doug Brutocao

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/369

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WFS 368 - Silver Creek Outfitters with Bret Bishop - Team USA, Dry Dropper, Big Wood

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/368

Presented By: Range Meal Bars, Stonefly Nets, Zoe Angling Group, Jackson Hole Fly Company

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Bret Bishop tells the story of how he got into the Team USA and who his mentor was early on that made his and the team's dreams come true. He shares how the team sets up their euro rigs while in competition and their mission to win gold in several competitions.

He also takes us fishing in Europe, his home waters, and talks about his favorite gears, brands, and some tips on dry droppers.

Listen to this episode to discover more tips and tricks from none other than Bret Bishop - 2006 Individual National Champion and current Captain of the Team USA. 

Silver Creek Outfitter Show Notes with Bret Bishop

3:13 - Bret Bishop talks about how he got into fly fishing. His parents wanted him and his brother to be self-sufficient anglers.

3:51 - For years in the summertime, his family would travel around and spend three months living in a VW bus and going trout fishing and camping.

4:17 - They ended up living in Sun Valley, Idaho which is where Silver Creek is. His parents were into spring creeks, so everywhere they went they would go and fish the spring creek.

5:42 - Bret talks about how their father taught them how to be self-sufficient anglers.

6:24 - He also learned fly fishing and the actual casting through attending classes.

7:30 - He shares how different is Silver Creek now than it was in the '80s.

10:06 - He tells about how the Fly Fishing Team USA started. About 2003, his friend Pete Erickson, who we interviewed for episode 118, got into the team early. There was a lot of history before Bret joined the team.

11:36 - He got involved in the team when he was invited out to Bend, Oregon along with other guys to try out. He fished well enough that he made it to what they called the development team.

13:11 - In 2006, they had the first Fly Fishing National Champion in Boulder, Colorado.

15:20 - He shares why the team struggled during practice in Portugal in 2006 and why that made Portugal kind of a tough introduction to the world of European fly fishing.

16:37 - He talks about what makes fishing in Europe different.

19:26 - He shares the team's quest to win gold in Italy. He also mentions one person who has been the backbone of the team in terms of financial support and making their dreams come true.

21:50 - He clarifies the difference among the Masters Team, Senior Team, and Youth Team.

22:31 - I ask what would it be like to have the Masters Team compete with the Senior Team.

24:36 - He emphasizes how important it is to work well together as a team and have great team chemistry and guide.

26:49 - Bret encourages people, especially the best anglers, to get a guide saing time trying to find the water they need to fish and learn some inside knowledge on techniques.

27:52 - I ask about the percentage of time that he uses certain techniques such as euro nymphing, dry fly, dry dropper, and streamers.

31:41 - Bret shares how euro nymphing started and became popular.

33:18 - He talks about how their current style of nymphing is different from what it was 10 years ago.

36:30 - He shares his setup and current favorite gears. His current choice of rod is the Echo Shadow X 10'6" 3wt rod which he says is really light and just the right balance for everything.

37:10 - When he's guiding, he uses a level line that's a little stiffer such as those from Cortland and Umpqua. He currently uses the Cortland White Mono Line (.009"/8 LB) which he says works really well for guiding.

41:27 - He shares more about their practice and setup for a competition.

44:50 - He mentions some of their great guides who helped them win competitions through their techniques and fly patterns.

46:52 - He explains his process of how he goes through switching flies with a euro setup.

50:41 - Bret talks about fishing in his home water that is Silver Creek.

52:32 - He explains the big difference between a tailwater and a spring creek.

56:40 - Bret shares the best months to fish in Silver Creek.

58:34 - He mentions the other rivers and streams that he frequents to fish.

1:05:20 - He provides some tips on using a dry dropper saying it's a matter of keeping your setup simple.

1:09:50 - He says the hardest thing to learn is how to cast a euro dry dropper and provides some tips for it.

1:13:52 - He mentions his favorite tools to use in fishing in his home waters.

1:17:33 - He encourages young anglers to be well-rounded and learn casting besides euro nymphing.

1:18:27 - He shares the most difficult type of fishing to teach.

1:19:48 - He mentions the upcoming events for Team USA as well as the women's team wherein Tess Weigand is also a part. We interviewed her in episode 364.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/368

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WFS 367 - Streamer Flies with Gunnar Brammer - REPLAY from 2019 – Predators, Kelly Galloup, Bass

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/367

Presented By: Country Financial, Angler's Coffee, Jackson Hole Fly Company, Zoe Angling Group

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Gunner Brammer goes deep on streamers as we dig into some of his YouTube videos with loads of tips on developing techniques for tying streamer flies.

Gunnar tells the story of how he started working in Kelly Galloup's fly shop and how Kelly became one of his biggest mentors in fly fishing and fly tying.

Find out how Gunnar accumulated thousands of hours in fly tying at only 27 years old and why he's considered one of the best in the streamer game.

We also hear some of his rants about people hating other people's style of fly fishing to the point of slitting their car tires. WHAT??? I know... it's too much. But sadly it happens.

This is one of our most listened-to episodes so it deserves a replay today. Check it out right now!

Streamer Flies Show Notes with Gunnar Brammer

06:00 - Gunnar's dad gave him a Kelly Galloup book, Modern Streamers for Trophy Trout which was the first piece of trout literature that he read.

07:55 - Kelly Galloup posted a job opening at his fly shop in Montana and Gunnar's face lit up when he saw it. He applied and got a call from Kelly.

13:30 - Gunnar talks about the video from 8 years ago fishing the Madison River

16:30 - Gunnar is a big sucker for wade fishing. He fishes the St. Louis River a lot.

18:40 - He fishes no differently for brown trout than he does for smallmouth bass - 7 wt, 250-grain, full sinking line, 3-foot leader, and big articulated flies. His biggest smallmouth caught in the St. Louis River is about 21-inch.

28:00 - We noted one of his YouTube videos, The Infinite Fly Principle

29:50 - Bob Popovics is one of Gunnar's greatest influences for fly tying. He loves the book, Fleye Design: Techniques, Insights, Patterns

33:15 - Fishes of the Great Lakes Region is also one of his favorite books

39:40 - Tip: Spin your thread, especially when tying with a bucktail

41:20 - His most viewed video on YouTube is tying a Keeled Jerk

42:20 - He's got a fly-tying series called, Tie Like a Pro. His first video is mostly about thread basics.

46:10 - Gunnar learned to tie the Keeled Jerk from Nicolas Bauer, a fly tyer from Sweden with a YouTube channel called, kanalgratisdotse - they made a series called Fly vs Jerk.

50:10 - He describes the jerk strip retrieve

57:30 - We had a streamer episode with Meat Market Flies 

59:30 - He talks about the Dropper Jig Method

1:04:45 - Brammer has about 5000 streamers tied from his experimentation that are just tucked away in boxes

1:06:20 - Rapid fire round with Gunnar

1:15:45 - Gunnar's top 2 flies for smallmouth are Super Jerk and Hot Fuzz

1:16:00 - Tip: Don't play by anybody's rule except your own. Gunnar tells the story of when he wanted to fish streamers in a place where people hated it.

1:18:55 - Gary Borger was in a past episode who experienced the same thing when people thought he was ridiculous nymphing in the 70s

1:25:20 - 3 Reasons to Downsize for Musky is about learning to cast with a small fly first

1:21:00 - Gunnar uses a Rio sink 3 line

1:27:55 - Dan Johnston was on the podcast in episode 75 where we focused on single-hand fly casting

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/367

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WFS 366 - A Spey Casting Lesson with Charles St. Pierre - Northwest Spey, Alec Jackson, Steelhead

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/366

Presented By: FishHound Expeditions, Country Financial, Angler's Coffee, Range Meal Bars

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Charles St. Pierre from Northwest Spey Casting is here to teach us how to up Spey game today. This is loaded with a ton of great tips and it's just too much to put in writing. He breaks it down step by step that you can simply imagine how it works, plus the recommender gear, flies, and everything Spey fishing.

We hear about the story of where he was during the Mount St. Helens eruption and how it affected the fisheries in Northwest Washington. Charles also takes us to the Olympic Peninsula rivers, his favorite waters to fish.

Spey Casting Lessons Show Notes with Charles St. Pierre

05:30 - Charles tells the story of how he remembered Mt St. Helens eruption - the deadliest volcanic eruption in US history (1980)

09:00 - Charles started Spey casting in the mid-90s and began teaching in the late 90s, then started Northwest Spey Casting

11:30 - We had George Cook on the podcast in episode 131 who told us about the NW Spey history

13:30 - For winter and early spring fishing is Skagit sink tip. For late summer, it's Scandi and early fall presentations

27:35 - Charles explains the angle change in Spey casting

30:15 - Charles breaks down the double Spey in 3 movements:

1. Lift - to bring the fly from downstream up close to the caster within a rod's length. 2. Reposition - cross your right arms, where your right arm now becomes your upstream hand. Uncross your arms to develop the D-loop and swing your rod tip back down to the downstream side at a slightly rising angle. 3. Then make the forward cast from there.

35:30 - Tip: If you want to develop a good forward cast, you have to develop a good back cast

47:40 - Charle's favorite way to fish is with a floating line with a long leader, and with either a wet or a dry fly

56:55 - Charles loves fishing the Olympic Peninsula rivers

58:45 - The glaciers in the Olympic Peninsula are almost all gone

59:00 - Winter fishing starts in Olympic Peninsula around Thanksgiving in November

1:05:18 - For lines, Charles uses a Rio mid-belly and some Next Cast and Boss for long lines of 60 feet or more - they work well with 15 to 16-foot rods. For leaders, generally match the length of the rod.

1:08:30 - Charles took fly tying class from Alec Jackson. He learned to tie Skunk Spade and Sock River Grub. His favorite fly for steelhead is a Muddler.

1:15:45 - Charles ties Hobo Spey, Foxy Dog, and custom flies for clients.

1:19:00 - Dave McNeese talked about making a book about his fly fishing life

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/366

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WFS 365 - Skagit River Fly Fishing with Scott Willison - Bull Trout, Cutthroat, Coho and Steelhead

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/365

Presented By: Jackson Hole Fly Company, Zoe Angling Group, FishHound Expeditions, Togens Fly Shop

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Scott Willison, owner and founder of the Confluence Fly Shop, takes us into the Skagit River to target bull trout, cutthroat, and coho. We find out how Scott started the fly shop and how fishing on the Skagit River has evolved over the years. 

Scott shares his rod, line, and reel setup, his go-to flies, and the best times in a year to target each species in the Skagit. We also dig into some resources to learn more about fishing steelhead, bull trout, cutthroat, and salmon.

Skagit River Show Notes with Scott Willison

05:45 - Scott lives about 30 mins away from the Skagit River

09:00 - Scott and his partner opened the Confluence Fly Shop in 2013 then bought his partner out after a year.

11:00 - Scott used to watch the TV show, Cheers. We had Henry Winkler on the podcast in episode 334 who played Fonzie in that show.

15:00 - Scott started fishing the Skagit River in the early 90s

19:10 - I noted episode 17 with Scott Baker McGarva where we also talked about the Skagit

20:45 - There are a number of Washington-based groups that protect and restore local fisheries and native watersheds like Wild Steelhead Coalition, Wild Fish Conservancy, and North Sound Trout Unlimited. Scott is a board member of the North Sound TU chapter.

24:50 - The Skagit hosts all 5 species of Pacific salmon. The pink salmon in the Skagit can be nothing short of Alaska quality. Coho fishery is pretty outstanding as well - October and November are Scott's favorite months to fish for Coho.

32:00 - Skagit used to be a huge chum salmon fishery but now you almost can't find chums in there

32:55 - The ever-present species that seems to thrive in the Skagit and Sock is the bull trout. Skagit is one of the only places in the world that has anadromous bull trout.

34:15 - Skagit typically opens at the beginning of June and will remain open through the 31st of January

40:50 - Scott uses an 11 and 1/2 foot 4 wt Sage 1 rod with a 240-grain Scientific Angler Skagit Lite

42:25 - One of the species worth noting in the Skagit is the sea-run cutthroat, also known as coastal cutthroat

48:30 - Scott tells us his go-to flies

53:44 - We talk about the difference between hooking on a coho, bull trout, and cutthroat

1:02:00 - Kamchatka is on Scott's bucket list trip. Also Seychelles. Scott enjoyed our episode with Jako Lucas (episode 281) and Keith Rose-Innes (episode 335)

1:03:00 - Scott is going back to Cayo Frances Farm and Fly in Belize. He went there before on a DIY trip.

1:06:00 - You can harvest bull trout in Skagit River that are over 20 inches

1:07:00 - The Confluence website is a great resource if you want to learn more about bull trout, coho, cutthroat, and a lot of other species in Skagit. Scott does some pretty extensive newsletter and blog posts writing there.

1:09:00 - For resources, Scott recommends the book, Fly Fishing for Pacific Salmon and Fly Fishing Coastal Cutthroat Trout

1:09:40 - Tommy Lynch was on the podcast in episode 347. Scott noted our episode with Kelly Galloup too which was one of the best we had.

1:11:45 - Scott's top 3 podcasts are: The Smartless Podcast, Outdoor Misadventures, and Fly Fish Food Shop Talk

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/365

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WFS 364 - Fly Fishing Pennsylvania with Tess Weigand - Women's Fly Fishing Team

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/364

Presented By: Zoe Angling Group, Range Meal Bars, LakeLady Custom Rods, Jackson Hole Fly Company

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Tess Weigand, Partner at the Feathered Hook fly shop/lodge, is here to break down fly fishing in Central PA.

Tess shares the story of how she got into the Women's Fly Fishing Team (USA) and what it felt like competing in her first tournament.

She also shares a bunch of tips on euro nymphing, dry and wet fly fishing, and techniques for drifts and drags.

Fly Fishing Pennsylvania Show Notes with Tess Weigand

03:40 - George Daniel was on the podcast in episode 055

05:40 - Tess had a degree in Agricultural Science but decided to work for a fly shop, The Feathered Hook. She became a guide there and now she's a partner at the lodge.

09:45 - Springtime is the best time to fish for brown in Central, PA. There are a lot of different insects that hatch during that time.

21:25 - Tip 1: Keep putting consistent drifts over that fish in a way that's safely not going to spook them. Tip 2: Don't mend over the fish unless you know you're not going to move that fly. If you have drag, let it drag through. That's going to disrupt that fish's feeding behavior more so than mending over them and moving the fly that looks unnatural.

28:45 - For leader, Tess uses Hends micro leader

36:10 - Joe Goodspeed from Thomas and Thomas was on the podcast in episode 193 where we talked about euro nymphing rods and tips

42:00 - For rod, she uses the T&T Contact 2 - 11 foot 3 wt when she's guiding. But her favorite is a Contact 2 - 10 foot 3 wt.

47:00 - Hardy Perfect makes a great cassette reel system

48:40 - Tess tells the story of how she got into the Women's Team

52:10 - The first World Women's Fly Fishing Championship was held in Norway - Tess shares what it's like to join her first tournament.

58:55 - Tess encourages women who fly fish to reach out to her if they want to learn more about joining the Team USA

1:00:40 - Tess talks about what makes their lodge unique at Penn's Creek 

1:12:15 - Mollie Simpkins connected me to Tess - Mollie was on the podcast in episode 355

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/364

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WFS 363 – 7 Leave No Trace Principles with Gary Huey and Peter Murry

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/363

Presented By: Bearvault

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Peter Murry and Gary Huey share the 7 Leave No Trace Principles to explore the outdoors sustainably and how we can all be a solution to conservation.

We discover what they have going on to keep your natural areas clean and diverse, which auto manufacturer is leading the way in conservation, and what you can do today even if you're just camping at a local park.

How can we be more responsible outdoors and how do BearVault canisters help us to leave no trace? Listen to this episode to find out.

Leave No Trace Show Notes with Gary Huey and Peter Murry

4:05 - Gary's first backpacking trip during a study-away program was when he first learned about Leave No Trace. 

5:00 - Peter grew up fly fishing in the upper Midwest. He went to a school up in the Driftless Region where there are phenomenal areas for fly fishing, mountain biking, and climbing. He studied in South Africa for a year where he joined a mountain club. That's where he had his first true introduction to the organization.

9:57 - Peter emphasized that the 7 Leave No Trace Principles are more like a framework than direct guidelines. These principles are meant to be adaptable and flexible depending on the activity. That general guideline of being aware and present is what they strive for when applying that to outdoor spaces.

The 7 Principles of Leave No Trace 1. Plan ahead and prepare. - Gary says it's the principle of all principles. 2. Travel and camp on durable surfaces. 3. Dispose waste properly. 4. Leave what you find for the next person to enjoy. 5. Minimize campfire impacts. 6. Respect wildlife - Rule of thumb: Put your hand out straight with your thumb up. If the thumb completely covers the animal, you're at a safe distance. 7. Be considerate of others. Recognize that everyone has the right to be outdoors in their own unique ways.

16:12 - Gary talks about poop as a big problem, especially in the backcountry areas. Peter recommends packing poop depending on where you're at because different ecosystems have different abilities to process human waste.

When in doubt, use a WAG (Waste Alleviation and Gelling) bag, but recognize that what you do in the Pacific Northwest is not necessarily what you're gonna do in the Southwest.

18:17 - Gary recommends some brands of WAG bags such as Restop and The WAG Bag (now known as Cleanwaste).

19:15 - Peter shares how lnt.org got started. Leave No Trace as a concept has been around for quite some time. It was originally a guideline developed by National Park Service and a group of land managers in the '60s. It was then adapted and adjusted into a full-blown conservation-minded organization in 1994.

20:53 - Gary explains how tossing food even as small as apple cores if you're in a thick wooded forest can disrupt wildlife. It takes time for these food wastes to break down. He suggests to just pack them out instead of just tossing them on the ground.

21:58 - Peter mentions the slogan "A fed bear is a dead bear", emphasizing that even a small amount of food left in the wildlife can attract squirrels and other small animals which then can attract large animals. It's important to not feed animals in the wild. Animal interaction can have detrimental effects on the ecosystem.

23:23 - Peter talks about the science and research behind Leave No Trace. Before they put out any education and information, it goes through a very rigorous process and has been vetted by a committee with representatives from the five major national land managers as well as university professors who do research on human interaction in the outdoors.

25:10 - Gary recommends using bear canisters, such as the ones from BearVault, as it is becoming a requirement now.

29:01 - The Leave No Trace principles were originally developed for hiking and backcountry, but they're now adapting the LNT ethics to the backyard and the everyday users like those having a picnic in the local park and quick day hike in a somewhat urban park.

30:47 - Peter encourages everyone to check them out on their social media accounts and follow their website for updates on their programs. Gary encourages everyone to volunteer and participate even on social media if they cannot go to their events.

33:00 - As a minimalist packer who also loves dehydrated food, Peter recommends the BV425-Sprint BearVault canister which is perfect for quick 1-2 day outdoor trips. Gary likes the medium-size one which is the BV450-Jaunt.

36:35 - I gave a shoutout to REYR Gear for their collapsible fly rods that pack out in seconds.

38:13 - Peter doesn't leave without a good pair of polarized sunglasses. His current favorite is the Ferg sunglasses from Costa. Another one is an inflatable pillow from Big Agnes, one of their great partners in Leave No Trace.

39:42 - Peter recommends diving into local non-profit organizations that are doing important work on conservation on a smaller level.

42:00 - Gary talks about Subaru, one of their biggest partners. The car company has a Zero Landfill Initiative wherein they try to get a few national parks to go zero landfill. Subaru also sponsors their travels to be able to go around the country and educate more people.

43:00 - Peter talks about the Outdoor Retailer (OR) event which is one of the staple gatherings in the industry. It's got a little bit of everything. A lot of those are general apparel outdoor groups. If you're a gear junkie, there's no better place for sure.

45:00 - Peter mentions other brands and organizations that support the conservation work they are doing, such as Fjallraven and Big Agnes. He also encourages everyone to be mindful of where these brands are doing and putting their money.

47:25 - Gary shares their upcoming activities in the summer and next year.

48:26 - Peter encourages everyone to check out their membership plan in their website to access resources and other information about the organization.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/363

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WFS 362 - Spey Casting Techniques with Jeff Liskay - Great Lakes Steelhead School

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/362

Presented By: Angler's Coffee, LakeLady Custom Rods, Reyr Gear

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Jeff Liskay is back on the show to break down steelhead and spey fishing with a focus on the Steelhead Alley area of the Great Lakes. We find out which spey line he loves and when to use a skagit vs a scandi line.

We chat about what the Steelhead School trip would look like and how Jeff and the team are dedicated to checking off our wish list once we get there.

We have launched the Steelhead School Giveaway and you have a chance to win an all-expense paid trip to Steelhead Alley to up your spey game and chase steelhead with Jeff Liskay. Refine your spey casting and hook some chrome at the Steelhead School!

Spey Casting Techniques Show Notes with Jeff Liskay

03:20 - Jeff was on the podcast for the first time in episode 255

07:50 - For rods, if you have a 10 to 10 1/2 foot switch rod, all the way up to 12 foot is fine. But Jeff recommends and uses 11 to 11 1/2 foot, 5 to 7 wt switch rods.

10:15 - Jeff talks about the line, leader, and tippet setup. He recommends the spey lite integrated skagit line by Scientific Anglers.

14:20 - Jeff explains why early December is the best time to fish his home water

26:40 - "The most critical part of the rod would be matching the line". Jeff explains why.

28:40 - Jeff explains the "scandoid theory" using a scandi line and how it's different from the skagit line

30:20 - Jim Bartschi currently runs Scott Fly Rod. Jeff's go-to rod is an 11 foot 5 wt Scott Rod.

31:45 - Jeff's normal routine is a 330-grain skagit head Scientific Angler spey lite on an 11 foot 5 wt, 10-foot sink tip, and runs usually 3 tips.

34:55 - The Western river that we'll be fishing is the Vermillion River

40:15 - Jeff describes what our house cabin would look like for the Steelhead School trip

41:45 - We chat about the history of the Steelhead Alley

47:30 - Reminder: Dress in layer for the trip

48:50 - For flies, you can use your traditional leech patterns but Jeff has better suggestion. For leader, Jeff prefers 14 inches and explains why.

1:05:00 - On Jeff's trading card he likes to put a motto that says, "Fish more, post less, and just get on the water"

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/362

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WFS 361 - Gar on the Fly with Jon Morris - Fair Flies Fly Fur and Brushes

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/361

Presented By: Stonefly Nets, FishHound Expeditions, Zoe Angling Group, Trxstle

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Jon Morris from Working Class Fly Fishing Podcast breaks down gar fishing, tying with brushes and fly fur. We find out what gear you need, the best fly line to use, and how rope is used to hook the fish.

Jon connects us with the gar guru - state record holder for biggest longnose and alligator gar on the fly, who's also Jon's mentor. Do you know who he is?

We also learn about gar's history, how they are threatened today, and why they need our protection.

Gar on the Fly Show Notes with Jon Morris

03:20 - Jon was in the army and used to go on combat tours in Afghanistan

07:45 - Jon focuses on tying streamer and predator flies

09:15 - There are 4 or 5 species of gar in North America

10:00 - "Gars are members of the family Lepisosteidae, which are the only surviving members of the Ginglymodi, an ancient holosteian group of ray-finned fish, which first appeared during the Triassic, over 240 million years ago." - Wikipedia

10:30 - There are 7 types of gar - alligator gar, spotted gar, longnose gar, Florida gar, slender gar, Cuban gar, and tropical gar. Jon's favorite is the longnose gar

14:00 - You need a 12 wt rod if you want to catch alligator gars

15:30 - The best time to fish for gar is when it's too hot outside for you. Gars like calm and clean waters.

18:50 - As per Willife.CA.gov, gar are not found in California

20:30 - Gar typically spawn in May and don't eat much during that time

22:50 - "If you break a gar off with that leader because you didn't tie the right knot or you didn't use the right tippet, you're going to kill that fish"

27:00 - If Jon can only use one line for gar, it would be intermediate or floating. For rod, it would be a 12 wt.

27:45 - For leader down to the tippet, it depends on the size of the fly - but usually he runs a foot and a half of 50-pound with a perfection loop. Loop to loop or you can nail knot it.

29:20 - Jon uses a Maxima Chameleon for tippet. He also talks about the fast ach tippet

32:40 - Jon's buddy, Ryan has been working on a gar fly called, Garmageddon. Ryan holds the state record for gar on the fly for alligator and longnose gar. Ryan is a gar nerd - his Instagram is @professor_rivers.

35:30 - Carps are like the "sewer salmon"

36:45 - Alligator gars are threatened species

38:45 - Jon uses Fairflies' fly fur for his flies

43:45 - Jon talks about tying a rope streamer

44:25 - Tommy Lynch was on the podcast in episode 347

44:55 - The key to a good gar fly is how sparse you can make your materials, for 3 reasons: 1 - it casts a lot better, 2 - it hooks up better, 3 - removal of the fly from the mouth

54:30 - We talk about their podcast, Working Class Fishing

1:00:00 - Jon talks about tying with 5D brushes

1:08:20 - Jon makes a reel tying with a 5D brush - check out his Instagram @morrisflyco

1:10:00 - Jon shares his best tip on fishing gar

1:12:00 - Jon uses a Maxim Falcon rod and reel

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/361

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WFS 360 - Fishing for Life with Tom Goodrich

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/360

Presented By: LakeLady Custom Rods

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Fishing for Life founder Tom Goodrich shares a powerful story of how God called him to build an organization that teaches fishing to the next generation after 22 years in the military.

With over 500 volunteers, they organize over 80 events a year to serve the youth, families, veterans & communities through fishing and outdoor programs.

Tom tells us how the military shaped his way of thinking and how his passion for fishing, love for the children & veterans, and obedience to God led him to where he is today.

Fishing for Life Show Notes with Tom Goodrich

03:00 - Tom grew up in Brainerd Minnesota. Al and Ron Lindner are from Brainerd too - they founded In-Fisherman. Tom's brother married Ron Lindner's daughter when Tom was only 16. Ron taught Tom how to fish.

04:50 - Tom spent 22 years in the military. He decided to create an organization that engages kids to fishing and outdoor activities. They've been running for almost 18 years now and have expanded their programs.

08:30 - At 17 years old, Tom was getting into trouble and was given a choice by the court to either join the army or go to jail. This was around 1983 or 1984.

09:50 - Tom became a Non-Commission Officer in the army and started leading men in combat. Then spent the last 6 years in Special Operations.

14:25 - Tom is at an event as we speak called, CAST - Community And Sheriff's Department Together

16:40 - They do 85 events a year

17:10 - They have 4 mobile trout ponds - Tom talks about how they set it up

23:20 - I connected with Tom through Kris from LakeLady Rods. Tom explains the diversity of people that participates and volunteers in their program and how Jana Olson (the lucky girl who won the LakeLady giveaway) helps in the events.

30:55 - Tom tells the story of when a wealthy guy from New York donated 20 sets of brand new rods and reels

33:00 - They teach disabled kids how to fly fishing

37:40 - They have a program called, NextGEN Mentorship Program where they teach kids who have a military dads who either died or incapable because of the wars

42:50 - They partnered with the group called, School of Fish

47:30 - They have an event called, Holes for Heroes where they fish on ice lakes.

48:55 - Tom wrote 50 short stories about the military

50:00 - Tom tells us what it's like to be in combat as a military and lead men

52:30 - Ron Lindler used to be alcoholic

53:55 - Henry Winkler was on the podcast in episode 000. We chat about the TV show, Barry.

56:00 - You can connect with Tom at [email protected]

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/360

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WFS 359 - John Gierach REPLAY from 2018 - AK Best, Ed Engle, Thomas McGuane

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/359

Presented By: Zoe Angling Group, Jackson Hole Fly Company, Togens Fly Shop

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

John Gierach breaks out an amazing episode in this one as he talks about how he came to become one of the greatest fly fishing writers in the world. We talk about some of his books including the famous, Trout Bum and we also chat about his favorite writers.

We also dig into the hippie movement in the 60s, weed, and death in Colorado Fly Fishing. I'm excited to share a little perspective into the life, times, struggles and stories of the great John Gierach.

Show Notes with John Gierach

12:45 - John Shewey was on in episode 16 and talked about the process of writing and battling resistance.

15:20 - Thomas McGuane said as a writer, your only currency is your readership. My currency is my guests as noted by John in this episode.

17:00 - Tim Rawlins was on the show in episode 27 to talk about Spey Casting.

19:20 - Trout Bum was one of John's first books published. He talks about how he has always just told stories.

21:55 - Roger Angell wrote for the New Yorker and wrote the essay This Old Man - John noted how amazing Roger described the hand pistol in the essay.

27:10 - April Volkey was on the podcast in episode 30

34:00 - Ed Engle and John McPhee are two big mentors for John.

34:20 - Draft No. 4 is a great book that John says everyone should read if you are interested in writing.

33:20 - AK Best was a big mentor who helped John really get started early on. Ak's Fly Box was one of Ak's biggest books.

36:30 - A Fly Rod of Your Own is John's most recent book. John describes a little about his writing style in the podcast.

39:25 - In episode 5 Jim Teeny noted the article on throwing rocks on fish to move steelhead into place. I noted the idea of throwing spoons out to get steelhead into range for the fly fisherman to catch it. John didn't recall what I was talking about but shared another great story.

56:30 - John tells the story of when he thought he was going to die in a plane crash

1:05:30 - A cougar killed a hiker in Oregon and it's the first time ever that happened in Oregon history

1:15:00 - The Joe Rogan Podcast where the CEO of Tesla, Elon Musk, smoked weed on live air. I ask John if he would smoke in our episode today.

1:16:15 - The Beatles came out with the White Album partly due to a change in drug use. I ask John the same question about his writing and whether there were changes before and after.

1:18:05 - The Parachute Hare's Ear and a hares ear soft hackle behind it are his goto flies.

1:18:30 - Mary Alice Monroe tells a great story and a writer he follows along with Jim Harrison and Peter Mathison.

Conclusion with John Gierach

I hope you enjoyed that episode with John Gierach as much as I did. Did you catch the few times that I was completely surprised by John? We went down a few rabbit holes unrelated to fly fishing including weed and the 1960s.

John also covered a bunch of topics related to the 20 great fly fishing books he has written over the years. I could have gone for hours with John on this one but had to respect his time.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/359

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WFS 358 - JP Ross Fly Rods with JP Rods - Brook Trout, Trout Power, Casting

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/358

Presented By: Reyr Gear, Angler's Coffee, LakeLady Custom Rods, Jackson Hole Fly Company

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

JP Ross, founder of JP Ross Fly Rods, shares his story of how he built a fly rod company that has now been around for over 20 years. JP shares some great advice on life and business - the things he learned the hard way and the things that keep him going.

We chat about his podcast, In the Seam - the inspiration behind it, his unique style of podcasting, and the goal as it goes.

We also learn more about Trout Power - an organization dedicated to protect, restore and enhance heritage brook trout populations in the Adirondacks and throughout New York.

Show Notes with JP Ross Fly Rods

05:00 - JP's first fly rod was a Fenwick Eagle

06:30 - JP saved up tens of thousands of dollars to start a fly shop called, Rising Trout Outfitter

07:30 - They started making JP Ross fly rods which were 100 bucks with a case

08:15 - JP teamed up with Kerry Burkheimer - Kerry was on the podcast at WFS 282

09:20 - They designed a rod called K357 which many people used to compete with

18:00 - We chat about the quote from River Runs Through It, "I'm haunted by waters"

24:25 - JP started a podcast called In the Seam - we chat about his style of podcasting

26:20 - His recent episode was with Keith Tidball where they talked about hope in humanity - listen to that episode here

28:00 - We talk about small stream fishing

31:15 - JP and Mark Usyk used to read the Frog and Toad Adventures book a lot as a child

31:30 - Jeff Kimball paints their rod blanks

32:45 - JP makes most of his rods and they're affordable. The Beaver Meadow Adams is only $349.

34:05 - Tom Starmack was recently in episode 353 where we talked about euro nymphing on small streams

34:20 - The Peacemaker is the only euro nymphing rod that you could use to the 10 1/2 - 4 wt

37:40 - He describes what a fallfish looks like

40:10 - Brook trout is a good target in September at JP's area

45:50 - JP talks about why he started and what they have going at Trout Power

57:58 - JP's top 2 flies are small Muddler Minnow and The Usual

1:01:00 - Hal Janssen was recently on the podcast where we dug into stillwater fly fishing

1:11:55 - JP tells us his top favorite movies: Blues Brothers, Smoke in the Bandit, Indiana Jones, Daniel Craig's 007, Guardians of the Galaxy, On Golden Pond

1:13:40 - This American Life is one of JP's favorite podcasts

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/358

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WFS 357 – Bear Vault with Sarah Leichnetz and Grant Breidenbach – Hiking, Camping, Food Storage

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/357

Presented By: Bearvault

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Sarah Leichnetz and Grant Breidenbach from Bear Vault are here to share their best tips on staying safe while in the backcountry.

We find out why many parks are now requiring bear canisters as opposed to the old hanging your food up in the trees.

This one has a ton of bear stories that we can learn from. Like I always say, be the guy with an epic backcountry trip and not the guy who has to hike down early because of improper food storage. BearVault keeps adventure going!

Bear Vault Show Notes with Sarah Leichnetz and Grant Breidenbach

05:55 - Bearvault focuses on the backcountry hiker or any kind of outdoorsmen that spends a lot of time in the backcountry

06:00 - Bear cans are now being required and regulated for backcountry hikers in wilderness areas

09:40 - Grant tells us about bear habituation and population in connection to the ecosystem

19:30 - Grant talks about how the bears have already adapted and hanging your food is no longer effective - watch this bear climb up a tree to get a hiker's food

21:25 - Bearvault works with Appalachian Trail, Continental Divide Trail, and Pacific Crest Trail Association.

23:00 - We mentioned Leave No Trace which is an awesome outreach program for bear and wildlife awareness

23:50 - Bearvault recently began working with Yellowstone to Yukon - they create passageways for grizzly bears

26:20 - They also work with the Manager of Colorado Maroon Bells-Snowmass Wilderness - they were able to decrease bear incidents by 98%

28:45 - Grant explains the food storage triangle

34:20 - Matt Shilling from Indifly was on the podcast in episode 342

35:19 - Sarah talks about their 2 new can sizes

41:00 - We talk about that poor bear trying to break into the Bearvault - scroll below to watch that video

47:45 - The BearVault canister has a proprietary blend of polycarbonate

48:50 - We mention the Monster in my Closet video by Patagonia - scroll below to watch that video

51:10 - Bearvault went through the organization called the IGBC, did some tests, and got certified to be bear-resistant before they hit the market

56:24 - Grant talks about their upcoming trip to Patagonia

1:05:55 - "Bearvault keeps adventure going"

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/357

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