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ECHO (2024) E02 | Lowak
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Echo 1x02 "Lowak"
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ECHO (2024) | 1.02 'Lowak'
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You come from a long line of very special women.
All the way from Chafa herself.
They have carried the fire.
They were the protectors of their people.
They fought for their family.
Now, it’s your turn.
Echo 1x05
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Little Maya & Bonnie
ECHO (2024) | 1.01 'Chafa'
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loki and thor and loki
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Tom Holland and Tom Hiddleston at The 29th Critics' Choice Awards held at The Barker Hangar on January 14, 2024 in Santa Monica, California
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Tom Hiddleston and Zawe Ashton attend the 29th Annual Critics Choice Awards at Barker Hangar on January 14, 2024 in Santa Monica, California
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Tom Hiddleston attends the 29th Annual Critics Choice Awards at Barker Hangar on January 14, 2024 in Santa Monica, California.
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Tom Hiddleston and Zawe Ashton attend the 29th Annual Critics Choice Awards at Barker Hangar on January 14, 2024 in Santa Monica, California
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Can we talk about the way Brad freaks out simply by seeing Loki appear motionless behind him? Because it's fucking hilarious
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i need lady loki and it HAS TO BE Tom Hiddleston in drag
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My love, take my breath away...
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🔞 Uncropped on Twitter
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lokihzra · 3 months
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when loki stopped time, looked he who remains dead in the fucking eye and said 'what makes you think this is the first time we've had this conversation' it is so fucking badass it's beyond my comprehension
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Loki in the avengers wanted thor to hate him. So why is he shock in the dark world when thor hates him like he wanted
okay, I'm really glad you asked this because I have wanted to talk about this for a while, and I think it's a massive misconception inside of the Thor fandom and the Loki fandom.
Loki wanting Thor to acknowledge they're not bio family ≠ loki wants thor to hate him.
I can't think of any lines in canon where Loki specifically tells Thor "I hate you" or says to anyone that Thor should hate him. Or tells anyone in canon that he does hate Thor.
The most Loki seems to believe is that Thor should acknowledge that they're not related by blood.
Canon lines Loki says regarding this:
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Loki does not want his family to hate him. That's not his goal. If it was his goal, he'd go about it in a much, much different way.
Loki does want them to acknowledge that he was lied to for his entire life and that not only is he not even their son/brother, he's not even the same species. It's very different things.
But because Thor and Odin will not address this with him, and Frigga is making him choose accepting Odin as his father or not accepting their family, Loki feels like they aren't seeing him. Again. This lack of acknowledgement about his person, about something that is in the very essence of his being, is something he finds deeply hurtful. It's why his argument with Frigga happens in the first place.
It's not that he doesn't consider her his mother. It's that Frigga makes him choose. There is no gray area for them. No "yes, i'm not your mother by birth, but you are my son by choice" or any sort of reassurance. Just "either you accept that he's your dad or you don't"
Thor, at least, doesn't make Loki choose. He and Loki just...don't talk about it, when they clearly should. I think it would have vastly improved their relationship if they HAD discussed it.
Loki and Thor skirt AROUND the topic in Ragnarok, but they never actually discuss it in any of their time together:
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i feel like a lot of Loki's problems with Thor don't stem out of a lack of love. they stem from a lack of communication. this line in ragnarok, i actually found to be a really good summary of their relationship from loki's pov post-avengers:
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Thor, on the other hand, seems to view Loki's desire to make them acknowledge his adoption post Thor 1 as Loki's desire to separate himself from the family and that he hates them now, because, well...why wouldn't he in Thor's mind?
Thor participated in the lie, even if unwillingly. His mother and father lied to Loki their entire lives, so of COURSE it makes sense Loki would hate him, so Thor tries to numb down to avoid thinking about it, hence the massive depression arc in TDW.
Loki has also, you know, tried to commit genocide and conquer a planet, which is VASTLY out of character for him pre thor 1, so Thor must wonder if he actually knew Loki at all or if their relationship was a facade the entire time. He feels like he never Knew Loki. Jotunheim Thor can understand, maybe. Maybe he can get where Loki was coming from, the understanding of how badly he was spiraling, the political moves Loki was trying to make, he can make sense of that.
But Earth?
Earth has done nothing to Loki.
Thor doesn't understand why Loki wants to hurt innocents. The brother that he knew defended them. Loki is the only reason the Warriors made it off of Jotunheim. Thor trusts Loki to keep people safe, and for the first time in their lives, Loki wasn't.
Hence this line in TDW:
"I don't. Mother did. You should know that when we fought each other in the past, I did so with a glimmer of hope that my brother was still in there somewhere. That hope no longer exists to protect you. You betray me and I will kill you"
That glimmer of hope was destroyed when Loki turned down Thor's offer in Avengers 1 to stop the attack. Thor tried to reach out to Loki in the Avengers, but after Loki stabbed him, something in Thor broke.
You can see it in his expression.
It's part of the reason that the "oh, Loki stabs Thor all the time lol!" joke doesn't land with me and I kind of ignore it as canon.
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LIke just LOOK at them okay? Thor drops Mjolnir in shock. He grabs Loki's arm for support. Loki has to shove him away before Thor lets go. You can SEE the shock in his face as he looks down.
Loki hurt him.
And he meant it.
So yeah, I do 100% get why Thor would threaten to kill Loki in TDW, because he feels he has to do it in self defense. Not that I think Thor could go through with it. They're empty words and Thor and Loki know that. The idea probably sounded a lot better in Thor's head before he saw Loki again and realized oh crap I have missed you and I love you and I'm sorry too.
Loki's adoption being withheld hurt Thor too. Their parents lied to Thor too. Thor tries desperately to separate the idea that his Loki (pre-thor 1) and THIS Loki in the TDW are the same person, but by the end of the movie, he knows.
TDW Loki is more battered, grown-up, hurt, darker, a mess. But it's still his Loki. That is why Thor doesn't feel the need to bring anything up in Ragnarok. He has made his peace with Loki's choices.
Loki...hasn't yet.
In the TDW world though, Thor has clearly been putting distance between himself and Loki, he didn't visit Loki at all in TDW, but he knew where Loki's cell was immediately, which makes me think that Thor has visited Loki, just not when Loki was awake. And you know what, unlike a majority of the Loki fandom, I'm not mad at him for that. I get it. Loki stabbed Thor with the intent to hurt in Avengers. It drew blood. Thor does have a right to be frustrated with Loki, just like Loki does with Thor. Their frustrations are not equal or the same, but they are valid.
But I do want to point this out:
Loki doesn't want Thor to hate him. And Thor doesn't hate him. Thor is severely depressed in the Dark World. Apathy is practically bleeding from his every movement in the movie. Having to face Loki would have meant having to face the family issues he didnt' want to face, but he never didn't love Loki, he just couldn't trust him.
Not being able to trust someone ≠ not loving them.
(which I also find ironic that Thor says that, and then immediately trusts Loki with the most important thing to him at that moment: Jane's life. Thor trusts Loki. Loki trusts Thor. They just won't admit that because they're both stubborn.)
Thor and Loki do love each other.
And I think that Loki is aware that Thor didn't lie to him, because the person he most consistently calls family is Thor from that point out. He doesn't reclaim Odin as family until IW, and he doesn't reclaim Frigga until IW either by association (not that i think he ever really unclaimed her, he was just trying to make a point), but Thor:
Thor, Loki never unclaims, and neither does Thor
For all their frustrations with each other, they still view each other as family. the hurt wasn't deep enough to undo that:
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does not deny this
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the FIRST thing Loki says to him after ALL that happened with Thanos and the invasion and the Void is thAT
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^ you do not mourn someone you don't love.
Thor calls Loki brother twice in that conversation and Loki doesn't say "i'm not your brother" the only person he corrects Thor on is Odin.
Because the ONLY person in canon Loki has EVER corrected about Thor not being his sibling was in Thor 1 to Thor and there were extenuating circumstances.
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^ defending his sibling even though LOKI IS NOT IN THE ROOM. Loki will not SEE or HEAR this.
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loki still does not deny this
TDW:
Loki: now you see me, brother
loki is calling Thor is brother again. He didn't deny it in the Avengers, but in the TDW he is actively acknowledging that they are family
Loki: This is so unlike you, brother. So clandestine. Are you sure you wouldn't rather just punch your way out?
Loki: Still, we could be less conspicuous. [Loki turns back into himself but turns Thor into Sif] Hm, brother. You look ravishing
Loki: They're on the ship! [as they approach the ship Volstagg starts attacking them; back in the ship] Well, whatever you're doing, brother, I suggest you do it faster.
Loki: You still don't trust me, brother?
Loki is practically falling over himself to claim Thor as his sibling. Part of this, I imagine, is due to the fact that he never got to call Frigga mother again, but I also do, sincerely, believe that Loki never cast Thor out of his heart.
By Ragnarok, both of them are referring to the other as their sibling, an indication that they have moved past their frustrations:
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Strange: ... Your adopted brother Loki is one of these beings.
THOR: He's a worthy inclusion.
^ does not deny they are siblings
THOR: I suppose I'll need my brother back.
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Grandmaster: YOUR brother. Whatever the story is. Adopted, or complicated. I'm sure there's a big history.
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even Hela gets thrown into the "getting claimed as family" thing and they barely know her for the span of a few hours:
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anyway, tl;dr
loki and thor love each other and want each other as family, they're just too emotionally constipated to actually talk about that. They have never, and will never, actually hate each other because that was never actually in canon and it won't be. And for all my problems with ragnarok, I do like that they made Loki and Thor acknowledge that they care about each other in the subtext.
Thor and Loki only use each other's names when they're being serious. Brother is a term of endearment and they are both aware of that. Loki knows that in the TDW. That's why he's using it. That's why Thor doesn't. Because Thor is still processing and trying to figure out who Loki is to him. I could talk for hours about Thor's arc with his relationship with Loki.
Loki and Thor's love for each other is what made their estrangement so painful. but they were able to repair things in Ragnarok (to some extent). Loki sacrificed himself for Thor. Thor killed Thanos for Loki.
If Loki never loved Thor, Thanos never would have purposefully picked Thor out of the crowd of Asgardians to torture him for the Tesseract. Even Thanos knew how much these two idiots love each other.
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🍬✨ In the multiverse, there are countless versions of him, but the heartbroken little prince from "Thor 1," hopeful to change his destiny, will forever hold a special place in my heart.💓✨
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