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Podcast Rejsen with Pernille Harder all parts

Link for the video version of the podcas:t www(.)youtube(.)com/watch?v=UzGJrzGzaOg&ab_channel=HEARTBEATSDK

The time marks are not consistent with the video version.

The podcast ”Rejsen” (means the journey or like the travelling) done a little traveling to London (?) and now we’re sitting on the Queen’s head pub where we today shall do a quite exclusive interview with, i have gotten explained to myself, in the sporting world. It is not anybody that is allow to talk with Pernille harder (P) laughs, (D) It’s goes a little rumour.. (P) no but i want to talk to you (D) You want that? That makes me happy. But we are sitting here with one of the worlds or the worlds most expensive female footballers and that is something we could be proud about that you are from Denmark. (P) Yes (D) that is a bit weird/cool/ amazing that you are the worlds best (? 01:30 Idlander?) or the worlds best ?Idlander? that is something that i always think in my interviews that they should really inspire me and always when i go from an podcast or an interview i do i always learn something. We shall through this journey (rejsen as the podcast name) with you. It is a very important voice or setting we we have in danish culture or danish sport for that sake and i have researched a bit that you are a women with a lot on your heart. (P) yes, i think so (D) And not a lot of small talk that you talked about in your interview and it’s nice that you are here and welcome (P) thank you so much (D) or actually it’s you that should be welcoming me that is you who is living in london. (P) Yes that is correct but thank you (D) Welcome to (02:15 ? Drucksme?)

(D) How are you now a days? (P) It is good, it was good on the national team gathering where we got 6 points and a lot of goals so that is good. (D) It is very (? 02:25 sinne? ) that when i question you about how it is you answer we got 6 points and we won that shows already that you live and breathe football (P) That is probably correct, it is the first thing i think about how the football is going when you ask me how’s it’s going (D) that is (? 02:42 rätt sinnet? ) (P) Yes that it is correct the first thing i think about is football so i answer about that but that is also the thing that defines how it is in life, is it going well in the football then I also have it good outside of the football. If it goes bad then it’s also harder (D) Can’t it also go bad with the football but good with the private life or the love life? Or can it also go good with the football but bad with the family or whatever? (P) yes that’s probably correct but but i think (D) or is it hand in hand? (P) Well it’s probably hand in hand actually, one thing affects the other, like the one thing affect how you performs on the pitch but of course some times it can be easier to push it away if I’m in love or if the family have it really or if i get a (? 03:45 nevö? i think i means like a niece?) then i can fokus on those things and then i sometimes can forget the football but otherwise it’s almost always football that defines. (D) It is a reason why you are where you are with the mentality with this tunnel vision i heard this interview with (?bradley?) who also had this total football football, planning, the small details (p) I can recognise myself in many things in the podcast, when you put up a goal is just total, everything you do is just towards the goal. So then it’s just a tunnel vision towards the goal.

(D) How is your life nowadays with playing football, how does your day look like? (P) We train often 10.00 or we are at the training ground from 10.00 to 15:00 (i guess like 10 am to 3pm?) everyday almost, i also have some day free. But also when i’m home I’m just relaxing and preparing for the next day. (D) From 10 to 15 and how much do you train? (P) We only have one training (D) a day? (P) yes. Also strength training and then it’s treatment for (?) (D) So that’s a lot of free time? (P) Yes, well yes we have a lot of free time. (D) Now i have interviewed a lot of football players and they have a lot of free time! But they don’t use the free time especially sensible, (P) No (D) but that is because they need to (?restituera? I guess rest?) and they need to (? slaep mer? i guess sleep more?) because they use a lot of physical energy and (? i guess he means to be able to perform every day on training). (D) But what do you do when you are not playing football? (P) Yes but there is a lot of relaxing after training, when i have free days i really enjoy to go in to London and shop a little and eat good food and try different restaurants. (D) What is good food? (P) I like a lot of different foods as long as it’s good quality, asian, mexican, Italian, spanish and also Lebanese food is also really good. (D) Lebanese have some really sick dishes/courses. (P) For me it’s the quality of the restaurant that matters. (D)So it’s a bit of shopping a bit of eating (P) sometimes i play a bit of golf it’s just that i haven’t done that as much lately. I have also lately begun to mow the lawn, to mow the lawn is actually a good meditation practice, in a way, you’re just walking around fixing the small mound/plate of grass (D) and concentrating on one thing at a time (P) it is not something i have done before but now during the break when my girlfriend (she doesn’t say girlfriend but kaereste) was away at Olympic games and then i was home alone (? i think it’s something like a was trying to clear up) (D) So you have a split up the things to do at home (P) yes, we have different things to do at home (D) so it’s a bit and school (P) Yes that’s actually a bit old school. (D) So she’s the man in the relationship. (P) Yeah on certain areas i guess it’s like that but on other areas she’s not. It’s a mix. (D) I know most male football players so that (?) (P) Are there any of them that is mowing to lawn? (D) Maybe that? No that i haven’t heard about but (?) but i have heard that you should rest your powers? both mentally and physically to the practices (P) Yes it’s mentally and physically demanding to be at work for a long time (?even if we’re not at training a long time) the 2 hours or the 1 1/2 hours we spend outside on the training ground is really demanding because of the competition and the pressure to preform every time (D) I think the mental side is harder than the physical side? (P) yes that is totally correct

(D) (? he is mumbling but the question he asks is) is there the same pressure in men’s footballs in England with the newspapers and in the women’s football (P) I mean of course it’s not the same think you can’t say that because in general the pressure and the amount of people watching men’s football is different to women’s football. But i actually think that i notice more pressure from newspapers and the expectations (D) (?) But is it not better that they talk about you at all then not to talk about you at all? (P) Absolutely, that was one of the things that was bad about Germany that there wasn’t the same focus on it, when i arrived to England it was a lot more focus on the women’s football both critics and sometimes i feel like in the women’s football that there a lot of ”good media” (like people that hypes up the players and the matches) because you want to talk well about the about women’s football. (He’s talking over her here so i can’t hear either) But here it is both parts there’s also some criticism (D) Is that not right? (P) Yes it is good that is the way it should be! It should be both, both the good and the not so good (D) Yeah because if you have both you take it more serious (?) (8.42-9.53 in the video version he’s asking P to give the warm jackets that the players have when they get switched out and sits on the bench to a friend of his) Now i thought to take up some research into your history, that is that you playing with boys until you were 11 (P) hmm yes that sounds correct, hmm yes i started playing with boys because there were no girls team where i was. (D) Can you talk a bit about that? (P) yes well the things i remember was that i started to train with boys because i came from Tulstrup, i don’t know if you are familiar with the village? (D) Can’t say i do (P) A little village on Jylland there were no girls team to begin with so i started to train with the boys and i also was a bit of a tom-boy, short hair so that when i was on tournaments all the other teams thought i was a boy. (D) is that true? (P) Yes (D) It wasn’t because you was so good? (P) No i think it was a combination of i looked like a boy and not because i was good. And then we got a girls team when i was around 10 years old and then i wanted to play with the girls rather then the boys because of the social aspects.

(D) Where there any differences? (P) by that time i can’t really remember if and what kinda differences there were but later on i also trained with FC Midtjyllands academy then i noticed a lot more differences, in focus, all the boys went in to training with the hope of a full-time contract with the a-team when they get older. Everybody goes in with full focus in trainings with everything a 100% and want to show themselves in the best light and in the club i was playing at the time (with girls) there were 5 girls that wanted something with their football. So i was really inspired by the mentality. (D) Did they have the same attitude to you as with the rest of the boys? (P) Yeah i think so, the trainer didn’t want to make any difference with me or the boys in relations with when and how they spoke to me during the trainings i felt that was nice. I didn’t want them to treat me any different because i was a girl. Yeah so that was a really good time with some really good trainings there. (D) Do you think that being with that kinda mentality has made you have that mentality also in the future? (P) Yes because i have that kinda mentality and that is why i think i fit me so well to train with boys because i have the same mentality. (D) In the same kind of environment? (P) Yes same kind of environment, but i was also inspired in the way they put up goals and what they wanted to achieve. I had a boyfriend that was also on the academy he was also inspired and put up goals all the time and had a mental coach and then i wanted that also that could help me with the mental coach that could help me and that got me thinking quite early on what could make me the best version of my self. What kind experts should i have, what kind mental things i need help with then i need a mental coach and then there were a really good shooting trainer in Midtjylland and i got to work with a few times a week and then later on he became my agent. So i have always seen myself as a product.

(D) (?) But in the modern football footballers is an product and the whole package and the ones that work with that mindset and works with thinking about themselves as a product is the ones that are going far. It’s not always the one with the most talents that goes far (P) No not at all (D) No not on the whole (P) I have seen a lot of players that have a lot of talent but haven’t got the mentality and they haven’t gone forward and then i have had teammates that wasn’t something special but have had the mentality this superwinner mentality and that is what you get far with. (D) Its the determination both on and off the pitch (P) Yes but it’s about having a plan with my career, (?early on i was clear about my plan?) when i was done with Gymnaiset i knew i wanted to go abroad because the danish league wasn’t so good so either i was going to Germany where i felt it was the best at the moment or i was going to Sweden (?) then i choose to go to Sweden because i felt that there were where i could develop at that time i (?had won a title in Denmark) and the team i choose in Sweden Linköping weren’t really a top team in the league but i wasn’t thinking about winning trophies (titles?) at that time but i choose a team that i felt could use me, where i could play all the time i wanted to help them i wanted to feel that i gave them something. And in that way i also wanted to be valued by the team. Some of the other teams that was interested, some top teams i knew that i would be sitting on the bench at the start but i wanted to play. (D) If you look at it in the rear-view mirrors that was a really good choice because if you start at a high level then it’s harder to take a step forward if you then take a step backwards. The more you build yourself slow (?i think he’s saying that sometimes it’s the environment that pushes you to take a too big step forward, how do you look at that?)

(P) Yes but that was my own opinion to take this decision to take things slowly and take the steps when i’m ready for them. I didn’t feel like i was ready for Wolfsburg when i was 19 because i wasn’t sure i wanted to be a starting player and i didn’t feel mentally done and fully developed mentally to play at the top level in Europe, so i went to Sweden, it was a lesser step before i took the big step to Germany. (D) And someone that backs you up and gave you peace and quite and all those things (P) Yes and i got a good trainer that really invested in me 100% in Linköping that wanted to build the play around me (D) Yeah and he did other things too, he got you a girlfriend to (?they are speaking at the same time) (P) Yeah it was actually him that brought the team/ me Magda (D) This i what i mean! (?) Now we shall make her extra happy so we bring her a girlfriend. And there was another thing i was thinking about the parents, have they always been.. of course they been supportive but have they always thought you can become something great or have they been calm? (P) I don’t think they noticed that i had a big talent something special but i always wanted to train and i always wanted to be the best, that i think they noticed early and so i think they knew that if i did it correctly it could become something great. (D) Have you gotten it from one of them or from both? (P) I think i have gotten the football skills from my father but the winning mentality or the mentality of working hard comes from my mothers side. But my father have it also. I think they have known how to get the best out of me. (D) (He’s talking about the importance of the support on the side line whether the game is going great or not so great and also even if you’re not playing as well, and they point is not what they are saying but the feeling of support and the fact that the support can be the difference of make it or break it.)

(P) Yes that has my parents always been great at. They have always said good game or not so good game but better next time (?) but when she was playing i Viborg she had no driver’s licence but they drove here back and forth 1 hour back and forth 4 times a week after their work. And they have seen so many of her games, national team games both in Denmark and in Sweden in Germany and now in England. So that support have of course meant a lot for her, and is a large part why she has come as far as she has. Because she has learnt so many things in values (18:20 she uses the wrong word for values and they laugh about it) (D) It is not so easy to speak danish when you have been abroad so long. (P) Values and all those things expecially the thing about working hard that things doesn’t just get there by themselves. (D) He’s speaking about that the important thing is to ask the right questions to get a person to find the right way for themselves. (P) Agreed, for example in school it was a lot of parents that said that school is really important you should be able to get the best grades, but P parents only said that she should do the best she can, thinking about that she is missing a lot of hours in school because of football. They have never said that i couldn’t go train because of school or that you shouldn’t have the morning practice with fc Midtjylland because then you’re missing out on lessons. You should just do the best that you can when you are there. But i also did good I went out with some good (?she says it like it would mean mentality but I’m not sure.) but that is again that mentality. You want to do good.

(D) there is this rumour that you was also good in another sport? (P) Yes (D) Which sport is that? Is that something to do with balls or is it something totally different? (P) Hah, yeah i think i have a good (I don’t know how to translate this boll öga, like good good with balls?) so i played handball and i was good at that. (D) (?) (P) Also in Ikast. Of course (D) What was it that made you choose football? (P) I knew i was better at football then handball. I don’t know i just loved to play football. I trained football when I didn’t have a training and i played football all the time. I guess it was inevitable. (D) What is it now that pulls you towards football? Is it the smell of the grass or the hard tackles? Or what is it? (P) The thing that motivates me is the feeling that i am developing, and i am noticing that i have such a big potential to be better and become someone and the nice thing about training is that i can see how good i can become. That is what i think is the nice thing about sport that i can train a lot and develop and see how good i can become. (D) 17 years old and the first cap for the national team what kinda young woman is it that put’s their foot on the pitch and what kinda mentality? We have talked a bit about it (P) I can remember that i was so nervous but when i got on the the pitch i just forgot about everything an only thought about playing football and scored the hattrick and then i was just the best feeling after the game. (D) So ”bam” and all you just pushed away al those feelings and thoughts (P) Yeah it was always on the way up to the pitch that i was nervous (D) First or the last goal best, (P) Best? (D) feelings wise? Hattrick, the first on that breaks the zero? Or when you completed the hattrick? (P) I don’t know (D) That question was a bit hard? The hattrick is good but is obviously (P) Yeah that is nice and that’s the one that does that i can score a hattrick, i think the best feeling is after the first goal, but it’s also the best feeling after the third, every goal is like

22:50 (D) I just think it’s (?) to do a hattrick in the first game you play that’s a thin you don’t see in men’s football there’s no one that comes in and scores three goals (P) What i can remember i didn’t think so much about it (D) (? it seems like he’s talking about feelings regarding the hattrick but i’m not sure) (P) i don’t know i don’t think so (D) I just think in general, when i went to school girls were more moody then men, and i think it’s the same in football (P) At that time i was only focusing on the football, it was really only just football almost more than now. (D) Even more than now? (P) Yeah (D) Yes now that you also mow the lawn (P) I can remember during that time that i was in the Gymnaiset and when i got the debut (with the national team) that i only did things for the football, i trained a lot and focused only on football. (D) More than everybody else? (P) Yeah, that was what i wanted, to train more than anybody else. (D) Yes, a clear answer, that is why you are a good fit for England it was when i called you up before the interview it wasn’t a long call, it was just yea yea that’s good enough, it will be alright (P) it is always the case that when i get a running programme from the club i always do a little more than what it says to do. (D) Okay (P) So that i know i do more than my teammates (D) So now comes a bit of a different question now that we are talking about the physical aspects there are a lot of talk about over training (P) yeah (D) Is that something you guys are focusing on in the club? This with you shouldn’t train so much and this philosophy of training harder and harder instead leads to more injuries that you don’t rest enough and that? What do think about that kinda talk?

(P) I think it is destroying (D) Do you really think so? (P) No but (D) No you should say what you feel (P) No but i think its a balance, for example when there is pre season when we’re not in season I just want to train hard to prepare my body to be able to train hard during the season. I believe that you can train yourself to be able to train a lot but there is also (D) But what about the possibility to train yourself to injuries? (P) Yeah but i also believe that if you don’t train enough you will get injuries so that if you don’t prepare the muscles (D) How has your history of injuries looked like? (P) Yeah but it has been good, should we knock on wood, Yeah but it’s been good (D) Yeah (P) I have not, i’ve had some small injuries or niggles i have not any big ones, i think sometimes in my career i have been a bit overtrained because then i have had some over load injuries (25:25 P says överbelastningsskador which is like if you’ve put too much strain for far too long) (D) Do you know if you were stressed at the time that you got those injuries? (P) Stressed? (D) Yeah and what kinda injuries was it? (P) It was some (?) injuries (D) The reason i ask is because i’ve read some (?Policies i guess he means research) that when you’re mentally stressed there are some kind of ?repetitive strain injuries? then when you are in balance (P) Yeah that seems fair. There is kind of that mentality in the club (D) Are there? (P) Yeah because when you come up to one of the biggest clubs and they have bought me for a bit of money then they also in the money aspect wants do everything so that I don’t get injuries and then the easiest way to hinder that they think is that i shouldn’t train too much. (D) Yeah or play too much?

26:18 (P) Yeah not play too much rest sometimes when i don’t want to (D) (I think he jokes that she doesn’t really agrees with that and that she wants to play all the time. (P) No that I don’t like but that is something i just sometimes have to accept. (D) But you don’t want to? (P) No, i rather play all the games (D) It’s funny because in Drakes new album there’s a line that says ”tell the coach don’t take put me out i like to finish games” (P) yeah yeah (D) That line is nice because, i haven’t played in the high leagues but when i played i always told my coach not to switch me out. (P) No that is not nice (D) No way! (P) But it’s like everything if i’m going to play (? 63 fucking danish numbers) games and then i can’t play (?90) minutes two times a week because there is also more games coming both the men and the women plays more games (D) Yeah (P) Yeah so of course you need to be a little more smart about the games you play so i think it’s a balance. You can train up to to a level where the training adds something to you, you get stronger, and you prepare yourself to not get any injuries and you prevents the injuries. But if you get above that level it becomes the opposite effect but you have to find your level. (D) And there every body is different (P) Yeah it is.

(Video version: (D) Did you see that Messi was switch out? (P) Yeah i did, he was not happy about it, but i can understand that (D) I just think that (something about a guy) (P) Yeah (D) You don’t switch out Messi! (P) NO (D) ? (P) No (D) You don’t switch out Messi, your job is just to have him and be nice to him you don’t switch him out (P) No (D) But i also think that has something to do with (Something about someone being a espanyol person and don’t want to train barca) so there’s probably some old tension. You forget that sometimes that people have personal relations to each other. (P) Yeah of course. )

27:42-27:46 intermission in the podcast version

27:47 (D) Now we are going to switch it up a bit to more personal questions so now there isn’t the Rejsen podcast anymore but this is a story that everybody should hear about, we spoke a little about your coach (Martin Sjögran) was going to help you a little bit so he goes and brings you a girlfriend. (P) Yeah (D) How did you two, if i may ask you about that? (P) Yeah you can ask me about that. (D) How did you realise that you like each other and you also said a funny thing that when you were in Midtjylland you said he (P) yeah (D) i noticed that , please tell me a bit about that? (P) Yeah but i had a boyfriend for about 3 years i think actually pretty long time. And then i moved to Sweden and it didn’t work because of the long distance but yes with Magda it was after a year after being teammates but we weren’t really best friends but good friends but then we started to talk a bit more and then i started to want to be more with her all the time and i started to be more with her than my usual friends, and i noticed it were something else (besides friendship) and then i just think that the feelings just started to come up and i started to get some butterflies in the stomach suddenly and

29:11 (D) And at that time did you know that you were interested in women? (P) No i did not, (D) were she (interested in women)? (P) Yes she was (D) totally straight about it? (Open that she is a lesbian) (P) She wasn’t so straight (D) No no you understand what i mean about that? (P) Yeah yeah (D) Yeah yeah she wasn’t so straight, okey (P) Yeah (D) But how did it happen? (D) I just think it’s interesting, i have never spoken about this in a podcast and the question also comes from a man, i just want you to know that i think it’s really interesting. (P) For me it was totally the personality of her (Magda) i fell for and that is also what i usually fall for, i felt that she was really cool and interesting and and i love(d) her mentality and then it was me that took the initiative because i don’t think she knew, because i knew that she liked girls (D) Yeah okey (P) So i thought that if someone should take the initiative i should/would be me and i just thought why not?

30:12 (P) For me it’s if i feel something i pursue it. I don’t really like to, yeah, i noticed that i really like to be with her and i really enjoyed it so that was why i thought that i should take the initiative and one thing lead to another and fortunately she was also interested (in me) so i read the right vibes (D) So what the fuck would you do if she wasn’t interested and you had to keep playing in the same team? (P) Then we just had to be professional and keep playing and say that it was a misunderstanding but don’t you think you would have noticed that? (D) You don’t think that wouldn’t have destroyed something? (P) No i don’t think so, it is what it is (D) And then it’s just professional life? (P) Professional life yes (D) But weren’t you nervous? (P) Yeah i was of course but sometimes you have to do somethings even if you are nervous? (D) Yeah that’s correct you are talking to the right person here! If you put it like that (P) So yeah (D) When did people start to find out? When did you make it official? Was it something that was whoa? (P) No it come bit (natural) Because we started to spend more time together and we started to, you know maybe people thought we were good friend but i think that when there’s more to it people will notice. So i think all the people knew without us saying. So it begun, from that time that we started to, i don’t know if we can call it dating or what you can say that we were doing but it took a bit of time before you can say that we were a couple. (D) Okey (P) And it went a bit back and forth because the whole thing about we were playing in the same team so you need to be sure about that there is something there so that we don’t just start something and then end it. It could be weird for the team. So we both wanted to be sure that there was something there.. and obviously there was something there.

32:15 I felt quite sure from the start that there was something there (D) Okey (P) She needed a bit more time to find out. (D) Nice, that is a beautiful story. I haven’t heard about (a similar) story in the men’s football (P) No (D) It might be happening in the future (P) Who knows? They are taking steps (D) (? Asking something about technique, seems like kinda a joke) (P) That i don’t know (D) (? Seems like aj joke about a men’s footballer with bad technique that both p and d knows) (D) (32:59) The next question, it’s a really weird/ peculiar question, (?) (P) Okey (D ) Which level would you say that let us take the team you’re playing for now, chelsea’s team which team wins for sure against men? Which level? I know that is a very weird question but (P) Yeah (D) But (P) (? I think she says that it’s a childish question or like that it’s a question you get asked in the ninth grade) (D) Yes i know that but i still wanted to hear you answer (? It’s a bit jumbled here, they are talking over on another but he says something like if you want it can be off the record) (P) I don’t really know actually because it’s really technical, if we take the tempo on the mens side if we say that they could run as fast as us and move as us or if we could move as them (D) And physical (P) Yeah If we had the same physique because purely technical i actually think that we are on the same level but the physique makes a ton of difference!

33:52 We have actually played against a U17 / U16 boys team where the game ended with 1-1 (D) Okey (P) And that was a 16 good (D) And that was the best U16 in (P) Yeah here in england or in the region (D) It’s quite funny that you say 16 because when you’re talking about bodies strictly that’s where the bodies start to get bigger and some of the players don’t get bigger and in both men’s football and in women’s football that’s when there are players taking a step forward and some that the development stops physically. (P) Yeah so that the ones we played against was boys (34:28-34:39 they are talking a bit over each other here but they are continuing on the talk about the ages of 16 where a gap is growing between a men’s player and a women’s player. And in other news they seems to have trouble pronouncing physically and physilogically) (P) It’s a big difference which means that if (?) so they can shoot a long ball and (? i guess she means the can lift a long ball over the back line and outrun the defence and then it’s goal) (34:47) But tactically i notice that when we are playing against these boys we are better then them so we have an advantage there. So i actually think that tactically and technically, there is some boy that are better technically then the women that i’m sure about but the biggest difference is the physique (D) yeah of course so now you have answered my really awkward question i don’t know if i dare to ask another (P) No (D) I didn’t notice before we were here that, because every question can always be misinterpreted or misconstrued. No i don’t dare i won’t do it. (P) Now i want to hear it!

35:29 (D) It’s a bit of a question you think about on the playground (P) yeah? (D) Are you sure? No i won’t do it. No i will do it and i can always take it away (like edit it out of the podcast) On the playground the boys were always talking about if it hurt to take down the ball on the breast (I don’t know the technical term for this but when you catch the ball with the chest?) (P) (Laughs) (D) It is true! Does it? (P) No (D) So then we have an answer! Did you think it was a weird question? (P) Yeah it was a really weird question (D) But i felt i had to ask the question because i finally interview a female footballer, one of the best footballers, now it was time to ask the weird questions. Should we switch to something different? (P) Yeah (D) Was it too much? (P) No no it was fine! No it was nice that i could lay that question to rest (D) It was questions on the playground that all the boys were wondering about thinking doesn’t it hurt, doesn’t it hurt? But now we now that! But you were really glad to go to Chelsea? (P) Yes (D) But at that time you had to actually lie to your teammates that must have been hard? It is not often you think about that, because you are a quite honest person, a loyal person it seems like? (P) Yeah (D) But you can also turn it around and say that football isn’t really a lot of mind games or is it different in women’s football, more authentic and more honest? (P) Yeah (D) Do you understand what i mean?

36:40 (D) Because women is more emotionally different, i don’t say everybody but (P) But there is more feelings in a way i think (D) (? 36:51-36:55) (P) But i think that in mens’s football there are so much business and so long time that they have become accustomed to that. In women’s football it hasn’t been so much with this being bought and sold and all that before now and it was a special situation in Wolfsburg where i knew what was gonna happen but my teammates didn’t know anything. (?37:11-37:23 She’s talking about that she wasn’t comfortable with hiding that she was going to Chelsea and she was wondering when and how to talk to her teammates and she wanted to not lie to them) In relation to that in a month she would not be there anymore. (? 37:29- 37:37 I think she means that it would be a surprise for her teammates because her contract were not up and that caused her some headaches) But on another note when you think about it rationally it is football and it is work and of course i should do what is best for myself, i thought about are my teammates angry with me or did i did i disappoint my teammates because i went to Chelsea and i didn’t want to stay with Wolfsburg? (? 38:00-38:05 she says something about the sports chief) But when you think about it this is the best thing for my career, we have all our own careers to see to. And of course when i’m in Chelsea then i do everything for this team but at the same time this is my career, i do everything for me, for my career for my development but at the same time i do it indirectly for my team.

38:30 (D) Don’t you think that if you team really likes you then the team would like it because it was good for you? (P) Yeah of course that is always the way the one that are angry or bitter they are the trainers or the sports chief (D) Yea yeah okey (P) It’s not the teammates that are (D) And it wasn’t them that you thought about (the trainers or the sport chief) when you were moving (P) Yeah 100% (D) It was the teammates you were worrying about (P) The teammates were just happy for me there were never any bad blood there (D) It’s a bit interesting what you are saying because, some of the first things i have read about you is that you have a say that, and i can relate to that, that you’re saying that you have a need to feel like there is a possibility that you won’t win the next game, there should be more tension and i notice that i need more and new challenges, where things isn’t the same they’ve always been. (?39:20-39:50 He speaks about her mentality and how he stopped reading a programme because it didn’t challenge him, and i think he’s speaking about a team) Then i win the champions league but the amount of challenges in your career is not there. That say so fricking much about your mentality (P) Yeah but it really was like that, that the last year in Wolfsburg i could go to the training and underperform, now i always want to be good in all trainings but, if i wanted to i knew what level i had to keep at training and I could play in the games at (? some kind of percentage perhaps 40%) and two goals and win the game and there weren’t really that challenge i needed for further development. I wanted to feel like i was forced to come out of my comfort zone because the last part of my stay in Wolfsburg were very safe with all things around me and all that. I knew everybody and all things and all the bus tours and so when you come to a new place there comes new unfamiliar things, you get out outside of your comfort zone and you come to a club who has many really good players that means that even if I was bought as the most expensive and even if i was elected the best player in Europe that year i still had to perform to actually get to play in games.

41:12 (D) And you thrive in that? (P) Yes i do, and i don’t know all of my opponents and there are things that are new to me. (D) I just think it’s cool that you have the possibility to play with the best and almost have 100% guaranty to win titles and you just said no no i want more than that (P) Yes but i think that the feeling of the win gets better (D) It feels better? (P) Yeah it feels better. The feeling when you have fought for the win is so much better (D) You have also shot an insane amount of goals, it is, how do you think about the mental side about feeling hunger for shooting goals? (P) I just think it’s inside of me (D) Yeah (P) Even if i feel like my gameplay is more than scoring goals, some games i can play good and not shoot a goal and some other times i play bad but still manage to score a goal. (D) (? 42:10-42:18 i think he’s joking about him playing and different amount of scoring he’s done?) (P) But it is like that, i have noticed that i really like to score goals. Sometimes, if i say to my self, i can’t put too much pressure on my self (? 42:31-42:45 I think she means that she’s not just counting the goals made but also assists or other aspects of the game.) .. so that if i have made 5 chances to score that is also very good. (? 42:53-43:17 something joking about the value of assists)

43:17 But it’s funny, i have talk to one that knows a lot of footballing stats and he says that the thing they watch for (? 43:24 i think he’s talking about instead of the classics stats like goal, corners and free kicks) and sometimes they watch that too much (P) Yeah too much (D) The thing they are watching more for is created chances, i think he called it, how many chances are you creating that are a possibility for scoring. (P) Yeah (D) It was something the watched for a lot when they looked at a player, not always the amount of goals or assists but how many chances were created (? 43:54-43:57 i think he means how the player can convert the amount of time the player has the ball to created chances) (P) That’s good that they are looking at that (D) Yeah (P) Yeah it’s easy enough too only look at goals and assists (D) I mean that also that (? 44:08 some player i can’t make out) haven’t the same amount of assists if it weren’t for Harry Kane that had a forward that could score, that is not a criticism on him but to say that it takes two to tango (Im quite unsure of this meaning if i got it right but you get the whole picture what he is trying to say) (P) It does, 100%! It takes 11 players (D) It actually does, 11 to tango , then it becomes a folk dance standing in a row. D) You often see in men’s football that to be a really good attacker you need to be selfish and you need to boast about yourself and just think about yourself, would you say that you have any of those sides that we don’t know about? (P) No i don’t see myself like an attacker. (D) You don’t? (P) I see myself as an offensive midfielder that scores a lot of goals. (P) I’m not the type that you are describing. (D) There is no weird (? 45:12-45:15) (P) No i don’t really want to boast about myself. I think that (D) Not on the pitch? (? 45:23-45:28 P says something about media and i think he’s talking something about the pitch)

45:29 (P) No (D) Have you not those kinda talks to yourself? (P) Yes i have those talks with myself but that is more if there slinks in some kind of doubt in there. (D) Yeah (P) If you are in a bad period, or if you have many expectations then you can have to have these kind of talks in your head, but they are not to boast myself but to try to be rational in my thoughts. For me it’s important to be rational in my thoughts. (D) Interesting, now that we are in England, you have played in Sweden, Germany can you notice another view about football here? (P) Yeah i can, totally sure, everyone talks about football and everyone watches football and there is a lot about football. You see children walking to school wearing footballing shirts and many play football in the parks, but there are many who plays cricket actually. (D) Cricket?! That’s a lot of Pakistani that does that (P) You can notice that there is a lot of (? pops) around here (D) Yeah i noticed that on the way here in the taxi, the driver ask us what we were doing here and we said that we were doing an interview with the worlds best women’s footballer from Denmark and the driver said that he had an old trainer for a women’s football team. And we talked about women’s football and (i don’t know if its the driver or d who says this) i saw and noticed that there were more focus and more people who cares about women’s football and when you are in England you can see the different way people talk and breathe football.

(P) I also had a taxi driver, at first we didn’t see eye to eye because he wanted to drive a longer distance because it was less traffic that way (D) They also asked me about that, would you like to go the long way or the short way? Bro what kinda question is that? Give me the shortest possible way (P) But then i talked about or he asked me and i said that i was a football player and then he began to google me at the same time he was driving me and found out that I was the most expensive player that and then he finally became a fan of me, so then is was fine. (D) That is funny because England is, it’s cool to be in a place where if you start a footballing career so then your’e set for life. (? 48:18-48:21 i think he says that for her it’s not the case) (D) A little while ago i was watching handball, and I was watching Denmark-Montenegro and then i was just to good to see it live because then you find out (? 48:33-48:35) It is no diving there is no and there is no arguing with the ref and no free kicks or stuffs that make the players dive. (P) No (D) I come from football where there is diving, and arguing with the ref and stuff, there is grown men that is physically big and strong. How is it in women’s football? I can imagine that in a way that women are harder than men in some way (P) It probably is that way yes, (D) I can really imagine that there is that way (P) Usually the ones that have seen both say that what is nice with women’s football is that there is no diving in that way and there is no (? 49:18-49:22) because we are moody all these things that, so in that way I actually think we are better i would say.

49:29 (D) It just a feeling i’ve got, i don’t got any, i just can imagine that (P) Sometimes i argue with the ref (D) Of course, i just imagine that there is less of that (P) yes but there is less of that (D) I just thought it was nice when i watched that game of handball that, not that i couldn’t see it (? he means at home, not live) but that i could see it live and that i could also see all the tackles, the pushes and the knocks going on at the court. But would there be the anything little in football there is just a big dive and screaming. (P) I think that it’s a bit of a tactical aspect to it (D) Yes of course it i (P) But there is also that you can get a free kick or if i dive here i can get a yellow card. (D) Yeah but in other countries they are more accepting of dives but i can really imagine in some kind of ways women are more tough (P) Yeah but if you think about it more generally if a man is sick then (D) Yeah? (P) (? 50:26-50:28 Ps laughing about his yeah and he’s talking at the same time) (D) And there is the thing about women that are the one’s that are pregnant and are birthing, but when men are sick they are (he’s imitating a crying child) (P) Yeah and they can’t take care of themselves (I think) (P) I shouldn’t generalise but the ones i know

(Video version: (D) The problem many times in this world now you can’t have your own opinion. (P) No (D) Without, let’s say that you have a opinion about something that we’re not in agreement over and you get to a point that we can’t ”be cool” with each other (P) we can’t just be chill about it (D) Yeah and not be cool about it, say i have a opinion about something and you have a opinion about it too and then it gets blown up to (? I think he means like too be about life or death situation kinda) that a person i evil if they have an opinion. But why? That’s what my opinion is (P) Yeah you have sometimes a difference of opinion (D) Why can’t we be cool even if we have a difference in opinion or in political or whatever it is or even in life philosophy, no but now it’s black and white. Now its, i think you have noticed that (?) sometimes things are just getting to big and i just find it nice to have a ambience or atmosphere where, i just find it great that you are clear with that you love when the trainer goes to me and there shouldn’t be any difference and ”bom bom bom” and all that. (P) Yeah but when you are judged for having a opinion (D) Yeah when you are judged for having a opinion that the minority has (P) No (D) It’s like am i that bad of a human because i have a opinion of that or about that?)

50:39 (D) no no but when we’re talking about behind the scenes with the corona it was a hard time but when you were in Germany it was not a good time, i can imagine that it was not a good time especially during the transfer (P) Yes it was not a good time (D) Was that the hardest period in you career? (? 51:00-51:03 I think he means like when she was waiting for the transfer to Chelsea but she had no control over it because of corona) Hello, my friend? (P) My friend! (D) What’s happening? (P) yeah and not knowing 100% that it will happen and i was so upset about it, to come here to Magda and with corona and but everything, and i just felt i need something new now. Can i just get it confirmed now soon? And then comes corona and you get a bit unsure, with Chelsea’s status with money, do they have money because they are not only the women’s side that should have money but the whole club. (D) Okey, so it is not separate accounts? (P) No the earnings of the men comes a bit and helps us, a bit or a lot. So that was a bit yeah and also with corona if I couldn’t get traded then i wouldn’t have seen my girlfriend for 1 year because of all this. So many things were like this really need to work it out.

52:07 (D) Shit man, there were some industries that were affected hard by corona and some not so much and for those industries that were not to hard affected i think sometimes that you forget how hard this has been, just because us humans adept to the circumstances and we think ’ah it’s nice to be at home’ (P) Yeah actually! (D) Yeah so we adept to be home and then now when everything is opening up again (P) Yeah but now that everything is open again you really values everything you eat and then you do that the first time, but now it’s normal again (D) But don’t you agree that it’s totally fucked up that, that is of course totally normal but sometimes you should have to force yourself to have that feeling again that gratitude (P) Yeah (D) That just shows that we live in a too good society (P) Yeah (D) Yeah you should remind yourself to feel gratitude (P) Yeah that’s true (D) But there is one thing that you are very thankful for and that is to play with your girlfriend. There is not a lot of people that can boast about that (P) No that is true (D) What is it that works well and what is it that is hard or difficult some times? Because you see not in sports but the one you get the most irritated on in the private life is for me the girlfriend because the one’s you don’t know that well you never attack or get mad at it is like a distance to those kind of people. How have you managed the relationship? (P) But the good thing is that we know each other really well and we have a good relationship so that we can say exactly the things we think to each other, on the pitch (D) On the pitch (P) And that is good because i think that (D) (Laughs) Is it really good every time? (P) Well, sometimes i think she is (? Pisseträls i think it means shitty) and annoying but at the same time i still follow her orders. And that is important that it is like that, that you can say what you feel and think to me for an example because if there are someone that don’t feel like they can say what the think or feel because of my (? Stead? I think she means in a larger perspective about because she is the skippers girlfriend and therefore there might be someone that don’t dare to critique her in the team) And then it’s good that i have her to say that to me even if i feel like she’s irritating sometimes, and the same thing on the other way.

54:24 (P) So that is actually just positive that way. The negative is if it goes bad then you sometimes can bring that home with you, because we are in the same environment in work so we can’t just talk shit about the other so that is the negative i guess but other than that there’s not so many bad things about it. (D) Can you not get irritated and ask you didn’t play the ball there or (P) No i can’t ask those kind of questions no that (D) There is more about the entirety (P) Yeah just about the entirety (D) So for the most part just good things? (P) Yes but also because we like to be with each other there are some (D) Where that not a weird/ wild feeling to look over and realise that okey, we’re playing football together? (P) We started with being together and playing together so we were used to that you can say.

55:13 (P) There are some in relationships (Some other couples) that doesn’t want to be with each other all the time or do things together i think there are many people how are like that, but we really like to do things together (D) (? 55:23-55:26 i think he’s saying that he doesn’t want to play football with his best friends) if i say it like that. I need distance to people, it gets to be too close sometime. (D) National team, (P) Yes (D) European championship 2017 was a big success, not the whole way but still a big success. (P) No yeah (D) what has it meant to you personally and for the women’s football (P) Yes it was the that was the breakthrough for me personally, it was a half a year after i moved to Wolfsburg and i had a good championship and i think i became the second best in Europe, the runners-up to the best player in Europe of the championship. It was a bit that championship that was a breakthrough for me personally where many saw what kinda player i am i Europe and for the national team there was that also a eye opener for many in Denmark, we noticed a big difference in attention we got when we got home, i think that Rådhuspladsen in Copenhagen was totally full when we got home, that was really big for us to get that kind of respect and recognition from the population. Yeah, i have grown up with that the women’s football is not that respected or accepted (D) Recognised (P) Yeah recognised, so that was really good. Even since i have been a little child it has been a dream of mine to change the outlook on women’s football, so that we did that to start with but then later the impact of what we’ve done have continue to change the outlook and also that i personally with my performance also have shown that and have been one of those that have developed women’s football. That is one of those things that makes me most proud over myself sometimes

57:22 (D) That is what you’ve been outside of the football with the football? (P) Yeah, to make the women’s football to be something recognised and become bigger (D) Yeah clearly that is also one big achievement, how do you look at that conflict after the European championship with the canceled game against Sweden that caused you to not qualifiy for European championships? (P) Yeah (D) What do you say about all that? (P) It was really an hard period because we really wanted to stand up for ourselves and show that we have a lot of respect for ourselves, we felt that we deserved more not only regarding money but the set-up that was around us and facilities how the treated us and all the things. So we just had to take that fight there and it was just (? 58:20) that it went that far because we’re there to play football and to win titles and to be in the last couple of games in championships and play for Denmark that is what we the most want to do but the hardest is to cancel a game, that is really sad but sometimes in women’s football there are fights you just have to take. We wished that it was not necessary to take these fights but right there it was necessary. And that is (D) Can i ask what the most important thing is to you? Is it everything or? In that case should it be that way on club level also? (P) I any case yeah, the national team is a bit different, the most important thing is that the set-up is the same so that we can perform at the same level, it is of course like that that if you get better food, because you have a chef with you or if you travel in good time to games abroad and you have everything then there is better prerequisites to be able to perform bette of if you fly abroad for 2 hours (Bit unsure about how long) that we did sometimes and eat some bad food in one east European country in a bad hotel everything does more to be able to perform with precision. Those kind of things is important that they are professional and then there are things like bonus and stuff like that and that is always a question and of course i believe that you should get equal pay for equal work but it’s a bit more complex in football where there are a difference in popularity for women’s and men’s football.

1:00:05 (P) Where men’s football have their own popularity in difference to all the other sports. So that i still think that we should equal and of course think that we it would be nice if we had totally the same because that had sent some good signals from the football association but i still understand that the men’s get more money but you can also ask yourself, where to begin, how can we build it in that way that there isn’t that difference anymore? It’s like that what comes first, the hen or the egg? (D) Yes i understand what you mean but purely from a national team perspective that there is a (? 1:00:50 i think he means like there is one football association and one country therefore the men and the women should get the same) but at the club level it is another thing (P) Yeah at club level there is another thing (D) But can you understand that there are some (? 1:00:57 ) after the question? (P) Yes but that is the argument that everyone that is against equal pay comes with because that is the easiest to say (D) Yes precisely it is not my opinion, i don’t know what my opinion is but this is about you (P) Yes precisely, but again if you have that attitude then we have to change that, there should be a investment to so that the product can become better. So that the women’s football can reach another level and more clubs can reach a higher level but for that to happen there needs to be investment, so that that more money gets into the clubs.

1:01:48 (D) Yes that is super important, to be able to stand up and say that it needs to be done something and of course it will cost something but how do you feel about standing up for something? (P) I think it’s fine to stand up for something for myself, I think that i relation to what we wanted it wasn’t worth the qualifications for European championship we should’ve gotten what we wanted without it going so far. It was more that, that was .. why was it even a.. there was someone who brought up is there other stuff this conflict is really about? In relation to the people that was in the player’s association that they just couldn’t stand each other, that i don’t know either because for me it was just weird that we couldn’t just solve this? (D) yeah (P) It isn’t that big of a problem really (D) It is always a lot of politics in football, we all know that (P) It is a lot of politics unfortunately (D) How important is is for you to use your platform and status to be a role model? (P) I think it is big possibility to make a difference, i don’t have, i have a big platform but in relation with a men’s footballer then it’s not that big, i just feel like we as footballers have a, or leaders generally have a big possibility to make a difference and i do that with joy with those things i can. I don’t think that is hard or take a lot of energy i just say my thought or opinions on things and with my help maybe can change somethings in society to the better. (D) I think that, sometimes i can understand, if we take England as an example for the pressure and the way footballs clubs protects the players when (?Eriksson) talks in interview he’s so boring but sometimes they do it to protect themselves but then I get so happy when i see some players that actually say what they think and are open about their opinions.

(D) Sometimes people forget, like you say that you have a big voice but imagine the voice that the men’s player have and the whole thing gets withdrawn with politics and what you say and do not say and that’s why it was really important to me the time i did this podcast that the point was to get inside their brains and understand, and first and foremost we’re all humans before we’re players, leaders or fans of the game. Why should everything be done so robot like? (P) Yeah (D) This is something i have noticed with you and some other women’s colleagues in the national team for example. They open up about a lot. They say their opinions and they stand up for things and i think that many of the men’s football players would be able to learn from you, to not think to much about politics to think about what they have for opinions because if we think about other persons in the sporting world as Muhammed Ali or some other big athlete that have talked about different things so are some of the things they have talked about not looked the same today. (P) Precisely you have a lot of power. (D) That is positive (P) But i also think that there are a lot of people that don’t understand how much power you have, and then it should be something you want also (D) Of course (P) It shouldn’t be a pressure to (D) Of course (P) There are some people that just wanna play football and focus on that and i have a lot of respect for that.

1:05:34-1:05:39 Intermission

1:05:41 (D) When you really got on the (1:05:43 ?) or whatever you say, it was in the game between Sweden and Canada, where your girlfriend played and you wore the Swedish national team shirt, and that’s really cute when you are from Denmark (P) Hah there i was a really good kiss (?) (D) but there you were a support for your girlfriend, and you kissed each other and they took a picture of you and you have talked about it a lot, but that is because the whole world, just, exploded, and there were a lot of young people that said that you don’t know what they have done for them and they have (?) sexuality and all other things. Did you expect that? Why did you think that it caused this uproar? (P) Yeah, i didn’t expect that and we didn’t know that there was a photo take of us, and that makes it more natural, or what do you say, natural in that photograph and it just exploded, totally crazy. But it was just nice, there was not a lot, there wasn’t any hate, there was just some people who says that we help people that we are big role models especially with homosexuality there were many from, of course there were people from Scandinavia, but there were also many from countries where it just not accepted. Then it’s really nice in those countries to see a open couple in that way (D) It shows the strength of when you are an athlete or a (P) It’s also that i’m very privileged in that way that i’m from Scandinavia and it’s okey to be together with the same gender, in some places it’s considered a bit weird but in most places it’s really accepted compared to other places, so then i’m very privileged so that if i’m talking about it and if i’m open about it and then i can help people where there are not so privileged where they are not allowed to be them self and to be homosexual or the way that they are, and that gives hope for them and that might give, just because i’m open about it and talk about it i might be able to change something for them.

1:08:15 (P) It’s the way I always think about it when there are some kind of problem in the society, if we talk about equality if we’re gonna get the biggest effect then men must go and fight for equality because they are the privileged, if we talk about racism it’s us white people that needs to support and help because, then i think there will be the biggest effect for change (D) Very deep, some of the first things we talked about was the impact you’ve had on many of those things, that the impact you’ve had have been the largest i’ve ever seen in men’s sport, do you understand what i mean? (P) Yeah (D) And that i think that i should be talked about more (P) Yeah i thinks so to (D) Stand up, this long-distance relationship that you’ve had (P) Yeah (D) Were there any positive things about that? (P) Many (D) Oooh (P) I’ve got some alone time, no that depends on, i mean the time where the time i was away from her, that wasn’t so mega-positive, not so nice at all of course but i argue that the way that we went separate ways to be able to achieve our goals is also a reason why were together because Magda is a bit like me in that way, she also have a goal that she want’s to do everything for and for her to get there it was another way then me in that time period. So what we both did i think just helped our relationship, if one of us had to give up our dream (D) Or one pressured the other (P) that would not have been good.

1:10:02 (P) And now that we can be together again after 3 1/2 years from each other and really have it good that is also a sign that we really are strong together. And now there is a period of our life that is just not the two of us together but i have a good friend group from Wolfsburg and they are like mine and she has hers and that is also important, to have that (D) Do you feel like the quality time was better when you were together in a long-distance relationship then when you are together all the time? (P) Sometimes maybe, but sometimes there were so short times we were able to see each other that it was almost stress inducing, so I still prefer the way it is now (D) Of course (P) But in the long perspective i just think it was really good for us to be away from each other. (D) Sometimes i have thought that it is better in a different way that you’ve become stronger in a different way (P) Exactly (D) we talked a bit about it before about the sexuality in sport or whatever why do you think there is so big for homosexual men, let us just take the example of football because that is what we are talking about, i’m almost sure there are a lot of them (P) Yeah (D) But they aren’t (? perhaps out?) (P) No (D) And do you also think, now it becomes a second question, but do you also think that people would react the same way if it was two men that kissed in the same way. (P) No i don’t think there would have been so much positive in relation to (D) But why? (P) I just think that the culture around men’s football, fan culture/ supporter culture is very much different than they way it is around women’s football. There are many macho men that are football fans on the men’s side, and also have that view of humanity, that are a bit old school view of humanity i find that the men’s side of football have in the fan culture, I don’t know how they would react i someone who was there and played and comes out and maybe they would be seen as weak and i don’t know (?) all of these prejudices and how do you want to get seen by this fan group.

1:12:30 (P) So i think they have more of those in comparison to our fantastic fans many families like there are no mentality that, this old school mentality and there is that in men’s football. And there is also nice fans i men’s football but there are also many a bit more hooligan type isch fans. And because their haven’t been any before means that the when someone comes out it will get so much attention and you might not want that, to get all that attention because of that. But also a bit afraid to be marked as the homosexual football player instead of just being a football player that happens to be together with a man. I think that is why there hasn’t been anyone that has come out, i think. Football, men’s football is so big (D) Yeah it’s really fricking big (P) Yeah (D) It’s the biggest industry (P) So if there was one they should go be together with a group so that they could split the attention because if there is only one it gets so much attention, they need a lot of support from many but the negative part of it, you don’t really know if you are ready for that. There is nobody that want to be the homosexual football player, you just want to be yourself, I don’t really want to be marked the homosexual football player i just want to be myself. You don’t want the labels (D) Of course but wouldn’t you say that it’s important to talk about it in interviews? (P) Yeah of course, just to show that it’s normal, to normalise, it shouldn’t be different (D) Something that hit me a while ago, women births children, yeah? (P) Yeah (D) And when you are an athlete then you can’t just suddenly get a child (P) No (D) Because then you have to be pregnant and then (?) it’s just a thing i don’t think you hear so much about in sports? (P) No that is correct (D) It is a taboo? (P) No i think it has just been a thought that when you get a child that, that also means that you stop your career, (D) Okey (P) I haven’t seen so many that have birth a child and then gotten back in recent years it’s more and more that are getting back after getting a child. I have three old teammates that are pregnant now and that has plans on getting back on the pitch.

1:15:10 (D) How long does it take? (P) In any case at least 9 months (D) Yeah minimum (P) No but you can play a little in the beginning i think but after the pregnancy it depends on the body i would imagine it is very different how the body reacts to be pregnant but (D) Of course (P) One of them, she gave birth in November and was back in summer i think (D) Okey (P) And she is back to top (P) Yeah (D) So then it’s not that dangerous that i make it out to be? (P) No it isn’t i just think it’s not that many that has done that (D) But i understand that you have to dare to do it because you take a lot of time out of your career, (P) It is also a bit of uncertainty in it too, how does the body react to a pregnancy and it’s hard to get back after a pregnancy. And personally i don’t know if what i want to become pregnant and come back or if i shall wait. (D) You are one of the few that are good enough to do it (P) Yeah but you never know how the body will react (D) No of course, is that something you think about? (P) To become pregnant? (D) Yeah (P) Yeah, some times you want that but (D) (Something about the age) (P) In that case it’s easier to be a men’s football player, just get your wife, are you in (?1:16:36) and there is also that thing about we should think extra about it, is it worth it and is it worth it to be out for 1 1/2 years to get a child and yeah so and the time after, it is not only the pregnancy that is hard but the you have little child you should care for and it would be nice to be able to play a long time and if i would play til i was (?38?) then it’s a bit late to get a child thereafter so if you could time it into when there are championships then it would be good.

1:16:58 (D) what do you think needs to happen for women’s football to explode even more? (P) Yeah but it just to continue with the investments (D) So money? (P) Money is always good? (D) It makes the world go around yeah? (P) And also more initiative in relation (D) Do you believe that women’s football is prioritized high enough in media and clubs and (P) I think more in generally and now Sky the first time have bought the tv rights and it was a lot of money in it (D) yeah (P) These are the things that should be done, tv money is really important, because tv gives, for that tv should buy the rights the league have to be good. In this english leagues there is a lot of stars that play here and that’s why i think it’s really good that they have bought the rights for it. It also about the thing about creating stars, there are a lot of good football players that runs around, women’s football players but it’s also about branding and marketing. Make the stars a brand so that they gets shown on tv and bought the rights, that the clubs invest in the women’s teams to create team that have fully professional contracts. Those are the things should happen for it to explode (D) Of course (P) And for that money (D) And storytelling (P) Storytelling (D) And some good promo (? 1:18:30-1:18:35) You are a big ambassador for the women’s football, how would you persuade me to watch women’s football? What are your sells talk? (P) And i’m a really good seller (D) On blast (P) But it’s about seeing the women’s football for what it is, not putting the women’s football together with the men’s football. It’s about winning games and it’s about scoring goals it’s about the tactically and the technically in it, so that if you look at it that way with those glasses on instead of comparing it to men’s football, but that pass is not as hard as men’s football, but that corner kicker wasn’t as good or that free kick. So if you look at women’s football without comparing it to men’s football then i’m sure you will find it great.

1:19:30 (D) (? 1:19:30-1:19:36) That you’ve talked about that before about the technically and the small technical and tactical details (P) And it’s also about, if you support a team then it’s also nice to watch a game with a team that you support or some connection to. (D) (? 1:19:53-1:19:58) Are they not really cool? (P) They are okey (D) Now i’m gonna go se them (P) But it’s also about getting a profile or a star that you can get people to get more hype about the team and people get more involved in the game. (D) And before we get to the star we need someone like we talked about before that we need someone with a personality, that isn’t just that only that he plays football but that there is actually someone with an opinion, meaning, hairstyle or a style. (P) That really helps but i also think that if you only look at the game, you shouldn’t compare it to men’s football. Because I feel like often many when they begin to get in to women’s football it’s because they’ve seen men’s football and then they go in with the atittude that they shall compare the two to each other instead of looking at the game as it is (D) So you will invite me soon to see a game? (P) Yeahyea! Of course (D) Then you get (P) You can come to Kingsmeadow (D) And there is also an another thing, am i only an idiot because i don’t watch women’s football? (P) No (D) Do you understand what i mean? I haven’t started to watch it, and i have seen some games when there have been the last couple of games and that was a bit interesting. (P) Yeah but then we played for Denmark and it will go because of Denmark, (D) Precisely (P) Yes but it’s nice

(D) (? 1:21:34-1:21:40) Because i have heard you journey and i also want to push women’s football and i also want a lot of those people to listen to my podcast because they know you so then we can push it because it should be equal rights. Did you actually know that there have come a fan club for women’s national team (P) A fan club? (?1:22:00-1:22:25 Something about a women’s starting up a fan club D asks her about if she has a question) (D) Do you have any question that i can ask to Pernille? 100% (?) What do you think about that? (P) I think it’s great! That is a really great initiative that will help us forward (D) Yeah, and she has a question, and now i will just ask it but, i was really funny but will women’s football become more audience friendly if the goals (? It might be bigger or smaller) (P) No, i don’t think so, not now it’s too late, in that case we should have done that in the beginning. (D) Or do you have any other ideas yourself or is it good as is? (P) I just think it’s good as is, i don’t think the problem lies within that. Women’s football is not as old as men’s football if we shall compare so it shall just have the time, it will come it just has to have time. The development that has been the recent years it will become even more the next 5-10 years. (D) Exactly the media and all that (P) It will just need time and more media time and even more people that talk about it then it will probably become interesting for more people. (D) Is it in FIFA you can now also play with women’s players? (P) Yeah (D) There is some small things but nevertheless.. (P) Yea absolutely (D) It’s big things if you relate it to it has not been there before (P) Denmark should also continue on with it to.

1:23:59-1:24:03 intermission

(D) What should happen now and what should happen in the future? (P) Right now there isn’t so much, here in Chelsea there’s London (D) Do you feel good about it (P) Mmh A lot we will soon begin to play Champions League group play, there’s actually a group games for the first time. (D) (1:24:24 ) (P) No there isn’t actually unfortunately (D) There isn’t (SINGING) (P) No there isn’t, it isn’t the same feeling as with the other. (D) (? 1:24:35) (P) I think that too (D) Okey so champions league and everything else? (P) It goes well with the national team so (D) And what about the future? (P) Now i’m here for the next two years and then i think i will probably try new league somewhere in Europe, maybe a bit south, down to a bit of warmth (D) You look like a person that gets really suntanned, (P) Yeah (D) I can see that on you pigment (P) It is good, fortunately. (D) And where did you get that sun? (P) England (D) In England? Did it not rain? (P) No i got a good tan in Spain, when i had a vacation in summer on Mallorca (D) Do you have a full vacation or do you keep at it (P) I have always a week where i’m totally free (D) So nothing? (P) Yeah where i just relax and then i begin with training. (D) there’s not a lot more to say then it was a pleasure (P) Yeah i think so to (D) A bit more deep, a longer interview, thank you for today (P) It was good. Thank you and goodbye!

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(D) (?) 22:50 (P) What i can remember i didn’t think so much about it (D) (? it seems like he’s talking about feelings regarding the hattrick but i’m not sure) (P) i don’t know i don’t think so (D) (? I think he’s talking about that women have generally more feelings than men and that it is the same in football) (P) At that time i was only focusing on the football, it was really only just football almost more than now. (D) Even more than now? (P) Yeah (D) Yes now that you also mow the lawn (P) I can remember during that time that i was in the Gymnaiset and when i got the debut (with the national team) that i only did things for the football, i trained a lot and focused only on football. (D) More than everybody else? (P) Yeah, that was what i wanted, to train more than anybody else. (D) Yes, a clear answer, that is why you are a good fit for england (? a bit unclear but i think he says again that when he phoned up P before the interview to plan she wasn’t so interested in small talk and but that it probably should be fine) (P) it is always the case that when i get a running programme from the club i always do a little more than what it says to do. (D) Okay (P) So that i know i do more than my teammates (D) So now comes a bit of a different question now that we are talking about the physical aspects there are a lot of talk about over training (P) yeah (D) Is that something you guys are focusing on in the club? This with you shouldn’t train so much and this philosophy of training harder and harder instead leads to more injuries that you don’t rest enough and that? What do think about that kinda talk?

(P) I think it is destroying (D) Do you really think so? (P) No but (D) No you should say what you feel (P) No but i think its a balance, for example when there is pre season when we’re not in season I just want to train hard to prepare my body to be able to train hard during the season. I believe that you can train yourself to be able to train a lot but there is also (D) But what about the possibility to train yourself to injuries? (P) Yeah but i also believe that if you don’t train enough you will get injuries so that if you don’t prepare the muscles (D) How has your history of injuries looked like? (P) Yeah but it has been good, (D and P says something about maybe 2013 here? Don’t know) (P) Yeah but it’s been good (D) Yeah (P) I have not, i’ve had som small injuries or niggles i have not any big ones, i think sometimes in my career i have been a bit overtrained because then i have had som over load injuries (25:25 P says överbelastningsskador which is like if you’ve put too much strain for far too long) (D) DO you know if you were stressed at the time that you got those injuries? (P) Stressed? (D) Yeah and what kinda injuries was it? (P) It was some (?) injuries (D) The reason i ask is because i’ve read some (?Policies i guess he means research) that when you’re mentally stressed there are some kind of ?repetitive strain injuries? then when you are in balance (P) Yeah that seems fair. There is kind of that mentality in the club (D) Are there? (P) Yeah because when you come up to one of the biggest clubs and they have bought me for a bit of money then they also in the money aspect wants do everything so that I don’t get injuries and then the easiest way to hinder that they think is that i shouldn’t train too much. (D) Yeah or play too much? (P)(26:18) Yeah not play too much rest sometimes (D) (I think he jokes that she doesn’t really agrees with that and that she wants to play all the time. (P) No that I don’t like but that is something i just sometimes have to accept. (D) But you don’t want to? (P) No, i rather play all the games

(D) It’s funny because in Drakes new album there’s a line that says ”tell the coach don’t take put me out i like to finish games” (P) yeah yeah (D) That line is nice because (i think he says that he haven’t played in top leagues but still he doesn’t want to be put out by the coach) (P) No that is not nice (D) No way! (P) But it’s like everything if i’m going to play (? 63 fucking danish numbers) games and then i can’t play (?90) minutes two times a week because there is also more games coming both the men and the women plays more games (I think she’s speaking about the national games becoming more and more). (D) Yeah (P) Yeah so of course you need to be a little more smart about the games you play so i think it’s a balance. You can train up to to a level where the training adds something to you, you get stronger, and you prepare yourself to not get any injuries and you prevents the injuries. But if you get above that level it becomes the opposite effect but you have to find your level. (D) And there every body is different (P) Yeah it is.

27:42-27:46 intermission

27:47 (D) Now we are going to switch it up a bit to more personal questions so now there isn’t the rejsen podcast anymore but this is a story that everybody should hear about, we spoke a little about your coach (martin sjögran) was going to help you a little bit so he goes and brings you a girlfriend. (P) Yeah (D) How did you two, if i may ask you about that? (P) Yeah you can ask me about that. (D) How did you realise that you like each other and you also said a funny thing that when you were in Midtjylland you said he (P) yeah (D) i noticed that , please tell me a bit about that? (P) Yeah but i had a boyfriend for about 3 years i think actually pretty long time. And then i moved to sweden and it didn’t work because of the long distance but yes with Magda it was after a year after being teammates but we weren’t really best friends but good friends but then we started to talk a bit more and then i started to want to be more with her all the time and i started to be more with her than my usual friends, and i noticed it were something else (besides friendship) and then i just think that the feelings just started to come up and i started to get som butterflies in the stomach suddenly and (D) (29:11) And at that time did you know that you were interested in women? (P) No i did not, (D) were she (interested in women)? (P) Yes she was (D) totally straight about it? (Open that she is a lesbian) (P) She wasn’t so straight (D) No no you understand what i mean about that? (P) Yeah yeah (D) Yeah yeah she wasn’t so straight, okey (P) Yeah (D) But how did it happen? (D) I just think it’s interesting, i have never spoken about this in a podcast and the question also comes from a man, i just want you to know that i think it’s really interesting. (P) For me it was totally the personality of her (magda) i fell for and that is also what i usually fall for, i felt that she was really cool and interesting and and i love(d) her mentality and then it was me that took the initiative because i don’t think she knew, because i knew that she liked girls (D) Yeah okey (P) So i thought that if someone should take the initiative i should/would be me and i just thought why not?

(32:15) I felt quite sure from the start that there was something there (D) Okey (P) She needed a bit more time to find out. (D) Nice, that is a beautiful story. I haven’t heard about (a similar) story in the men’s football (P) No (D) It might be happening in the future (P) Who knows? They are taking steps (D) (? Asking something about technique, seems like kinda a joke) (P) That i don’t know (D) (? Seems like aj joke about a men’s footballer with bad technique that both p and d knows) (D) (32:59) The next question, it’s a really weird/ peculiar question, (?) (P) Okey (D ) Which level would you say that let us take the team you’re playing for now, chelsea’s team which team wins for sure against men? Which level? I know that is a very weird question but (P) Yeah (D) But (P) (? I think she says that it’s a childish question or like that it’s a question you get asked in the ninth grade) (D) Yes i know that but i still wanted to hear you answer (? It’s a bit jumbled here, they are talking over on another but he says something like if you want it can be off the record) (P) I don’t really know actually because it’s really technical, if we take the tempo on the mens side (? 33:35- 33:42 it sounds like she’s saying that the men’s side is as fast as the team she is playing in but i don’t think that’s correct) If we had the same physique because purely technical i actually think that we are on the same level but the physique makes a ton of difference!

33:52 We have actually played against a U17 / U16 boys team where the game ended with 1-1 (D) Okey (P) And that was a 16 good (D) And that was the best U16 in (P) Yeah here in england or in the region (D) It’s quite funny that you say 16 because when you’re talking about bodies strictly that’s where the bodies start to get bigger and some of the players don’t get bigger and in both men’s football and in women’s football that’s when there are players taking a step forward and some that the development stops physically. (P) Yeah so that the ones we played against was boys (34:28-34:39 they are talking a bit over each other here but they are continuing on the talk about the ages of 16 where a gap is growing between a men’s player and a women’s player. And in other news they seems to have trouble pronouncing physically and physilogically) (P) It’s a big difference which means that if (?) so they can shoot a long ball and (? i guess she means the can lift a long ball over the back line and outrun the defence and then it’s goal) (34:47) But tactically i notice that when we are playing against these boys we are better then them so we have an advantage there. So i actually think that tactically and technically, there is some boy that are better technically then the women that i’m sure about but the biggest difference is the physique (D) yeah of course so now you have answered my really awkward question i don’t know if i can ask another (P) No (D) (? I think he’s talking about like he didn’t know if he could ask these questions before he got there and sat before her because every question can get misinterpreted and misconstrued.) No i don’t dare i won’t do it. the (P) Now i want to hear it!

(35:29) (D) It’s a bit of a question you think about on the playground (P) yeah? (D) Are you sure? (? Something about oh i don’t know if i want to do this) No i will do it and i can always take it away (like edit it out of the podcast) On the playground the boys were always talking about if it hurt to take down the ball on the breast (I don’t know the technical term for this but when you catch the ball with the chest?) (P) (Laughs) (D) It is true! Does it? (P) No (D) So then we have an answer! Did you think it was a weird question? (P) Yeah it was a really weird question (D) But i felt i had to ask the question because i finally interview a female footballer, one of the best footballers, now it was time to ask the weird questions. Should we switch to something different? (P) Yeah (D) Was it too much? (P) No no it was fine! (? something about you thinking about that. I think she means that it’s nice that she can answer something that they have thought about for a long time) (D) It was questions on the playground that all the boys were wondering about (? something about all the boys were thinking doesn’t it hurt, doesn’t it hurt?) But now we now that! But you were really glad to go to Chelsea? (P) Yes (D) But at that time you had to actually lie to your teammates that must have been hard? It is not often you think about that, because you are a quite honest person, a loyal person it seems like? (P) Yeah (D) But you can also turn it around and say that football isn’t really a lot of mind games or is it different in women’s football, more authentic and more honest? (P) Yeah (D) Do you understand what i mean?

36:40 (D) Because women is more emotionally different, i don’t say everybody but (P) But there is more feelings (? in a way i think she says) (D) (? 36:51-36:55) (P) But i think that in mens’s football there are so much business and so long time that they have become accustomed to that. In women’s football it hasn’t been so much with this being bought and sold and all that before now and it was a special situation in Wolfsburg where i knew what was gonna happen but my teammates didn’t know anything. (?37:11-37:23 She’s talking about that she wasn’t comfortable with hiding that she was going to chelsea and she was wondering when and how to talk to her teammates and she wanted to not lie to them) In relation to that in a month she would not be there anymore. (? 37:29- 37:37 I think she means that it would be a surprise for her teammates because her contract were not up and that caused her some headaches) But on another note when you think about it rationally it is football and it is work and of course i should do what is best for myself, i thought about are my teammates angry with me or did i did i disappoint my teammates because i went to chelsea and i didn’t want to stay with wolfsburg? (? 38:00-38:05 she says something about the sports chief) But when you think about it this is the best thing for my career, we have all our own careers to see to. And of course when i’m in chelsea then i do everything for this team but at the same time this is my career, i do everything for me, for my career for my development but at the same time i do it indirectly for my team.

38:30 (D) (?38:30-38:36 something about that the teammates thought it was nice for P because she didn’t want to be in Wolfsburg) (P) Yeah of course that is always the way the one that are angry or bitter they are the trainers or the sports chief (D) Yea yeah okey (P) It’s not the teammates that are (D) And it wasn’t them that you thought about (the trainers or the sport chief) when you were moving (P) Yeah 100% (D) It was the teammates you were worrying about (P) The teammates were just happy for me there were never any bad blood there (D) It’s a bit interesting what you are saying because, some of the first things i have read about you is that you have a say that, and i can relate to that, that you’re saying that you have a need to feel like there is a possibility that you won’t win the next game, there should be more tension and i notice that i need more and new challenges, where things isn’t the same they’ve always been. (?39:20-39:50 He speaks about her mentality and how he stopped reading a programme because it didn’t challenge him, and i think he’s speaking about a team) Then i win the champions league but the amount of challenges in your career (? is not there?) That say so tricking much about your mentality (P) Yeah but it really was like that, that the last year in Wolfsburg i could go to the training and underperform, now i always want to be good in all trainings but, if i wanted to i knew what level i had to keep at training and I could play in the games at (? some kind of percentage perhaps 40%) and two goals and win the game and there weren’t really that challenge i needed for further development. I wanted to feel like i was forced to come out of my comfort zone because the last part of my stay in wolfsburg were very safe with all things around me and all that. I knew everybody and all things and all the bus tours and so when you come to a new place there comes new unfamiliar things, you get out outside of your comfort zone and you come to a club who has many really good players that means that even if I was bought as the most expensive and even if i was elected the best player in Europe that year i still had to perform to actually get to play in games.

41:12 (D) And you thrive in that? (P) Yes i do, and i don’t know all of my opponents and there are things that are new to me. (D) I just think it’s cool that you have the possibility to play with the best and almost have 100% garanty to win titles and you just said no no i want (?) (P) Yes but i think that the feeling of the win gets better (D) (?) (P) (?) The feeling when you have fought for the win is so much better (D) 41:47 You have also shot an insane amount of goals, it is, how do you think about the mental side about feeling hunger for shooting goals? (P) I just think it’s inside of me (D) Yeah (P) Even if i feel like my gameplay is more than scoring goals, some games i can play good and not shoot a goal and some other times i play bad but still manage to score a goal. (D) (? 42:10-42:18 i think he’s joking about him playing and different amount of scoring he’s done?) (P) But it is like that, i have noticed that i really like to score goals. Sometimes, if i say to my self, i can’t put to much pressure on my self (? 42:31-42:45 I think she means that she’s not just counting the goals made but also assists or other aspects of the game.) .. so that if i have made 5 chances to score that is also very good. (? 42:53-43:17 something joking about the value of assists)

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The podcast ”Rejsen” (means the journey or like the travelling) done a little traveling to London (?) and now we’re sitting on the Queen’s head pub where we today shall do a quite exclusive interview with (?have i gotten explained to myself?) it is not anybody that is allowed to converse with pernille harder (P) laughs, no but i want to talk to you (D) you want that? That makes me happy. Bit we are sitting here with one of the worlds or the worlds most expensive female footballers and that is something we could be proud about that you are from Denmark. (P) Yes (D) that is a bit weird/cool/ amazing that you are the worlds best (? 01:30 Idlander?) or the worlds best ?Idlander? that is something that i always (?01:34 gör med mig?) in my interviews that really inspire me and always when i go from an podcast or an interview i always learn something. We shall through this journey (rejsen as the podcast name) with you. It is a very important voice or setting we we have in danish culture or danish sport for that sake and i have researched a bit that you are a women with a lot on your heart. (P) yes, i think so (D) And not a lot of small talk that you talked about in your interview and (02:07 i think he says it’s nice that she is there) and welcome (P)thank you so much (D) or actually it’s you that should be welcoming me that is you who is living in london. (P) Yes that is correct but thank you (D) Welcome to (02:15 ? Drucksme?)

(D) How are you now a days? (P) It is good, it was good on the (?) national team gathering where we got 6 points and a lot of goals so that is good. (D) It is very (? 02:25 sinne? ) that when i question you about how it is you answer we got 6 points and we won that shows already that you live and breathe football (P) That is probably correct, it is the first thing i think about how the football is going when you ask me how’s it’s going (D) that is (? 02:42 rätt sinnet? ) (P) Yes that it is correct the first thing i think about is football so i answer about that but that is also the thing that defines how it is in life, is it going well in the football then I also have it good outside of the football. If it goes bad then it’s also harder (D) Can’t it also go bad with the football but good with the private life or the love life? Or can it also go good with the football but bad with the family or whatever? (P) yes that’s probably correct but (D) or is it hand in hand? (P) Well it’s probably hand in hand, one thing affects the other, like the one thing affect how you performs on the pitch but of course some times it can be easier to push it away if the family have i really good or if i get a (? 03:45 nevö? i think i means like a niece?) then i can fokus on those things and then i sometimes can forget the football but otherwise it’s almost always football. (D) It is a reason why you are where you are with the mentality with this tunnel vision i heard this interview with (?bradley?) who also had this total football football (?) the small details (p) I can recognise myself in many things in the podcast, when you put up a goal is just total, everything you do is just towards the goal. So then it’s just a tunnel vision towards the goal.

(D) How does your day look like? (P) We train often 10.00 or we are at the training ground from 10.00 to 15:00 (i guess like 10 am to 3pm?) everyday almost, i also have some day free. But also when i’m home I’m just relaxing and preparing for the next day. (D) From 10 to 15 and how much do you train? (P) We only have one training (D) a day? (P) yes. Also strength training and then it’s treatment for (?) (D) So that’s a lot of free time? (P) Yes, well yes we have a lot of free time. (D) Now i have interviewed a lot of football players and they have (?) a lot of free time! But they don’t use the free time especially sensible, (P) No (D) but that is because they need to (?restituera? I guess rest?) and they need to (? slaep mer? i guess sleep more?) because they use a lot of physical energy and (? i guess he means to be able to perform every day on training). (D) But what do you do when you are not playing football? (P) Yes but there is a lot of relaxing after training, when i have free days i really enjoy to go in to london and shop a little and eat good food and try different restaurants. (D) What is good food? (P) I like a lot of different foods as long as it’s good quality, asian, mexican, Italian, spanish and also Lebanese food is also really good. (D) Lebanese have some really sick dishes/courses. (P) For me it’s the quality of the restaurant that matters. (D) (i have no clues what he is murmuring here about, think it’s something about fun perhaps?) (P) sometimes i play a bit of golf it’s just that i haven’t done that as much lately. I have also lately begun to mow the lawn (?) It’s actually a good meditation practice, in a way, you’re just walking around fixing the small mound/plate of grass (D) and concentrating on one thing at a time (P) it is not something i have done before but now during the break when my girlfriend (she doesn’t say girlfriend but kaereste) was away at Olympic games and then i was home alone (? i think it’s something like a was trying to clear up) (D) So you have a split up the things to do at home (P) yes, we have different things to do at home (D) so it’s a bit and school (P) Yes that’s actually a bit old school. (D) (?) I know most male football players so that (?) (P) Are there any of them that is mowing to lawn? (D) Maybe that? No that i haven’t heard about but (?) but i have heard that you should rest your powers? both mentally and physically to the practices (P) Yes it’s mentally and physically demanding to be at work for a long time (?even if we’re not at training a long time) the 2 hours or the 1 ½ hours we spend outside on the training ground is really demanding because of the competition and the pressure to preform every time (D) I think the mental side is harder than the physical side? (P) yes that is totally correct

(D) (? he is mumbling but the question he asks is) is there the same pressure in men’s footballs in england with the newspapers and in the women’s football (P) I mean of course it’s not the same think you can’t say that because in general the pressure and the amount of people watching men’s football is different to women’s football. But i actually think that i notice more pressure from newspapers and the expectations (D) (?) But is it not better that they talk about you at all than not to talk about you at all? (P) Absolutely, that was one of the things that was bad about germany that there wasn’t the same focus on it, when i arrived to england it was a lot more focus on the women’s football both critics and sometimes i feel like in the women’s football that there a lot of ”good media” (like people that hypes up the players and the matches) because you want to talk well about the about women’s football. (He’s talking over her here so i can’t hear either) But here it is both parts there’s also some criticism (D) Is that not right? (P) Yes it is good that is the way it should be! It should be both, both the good and the not so good (D) Yeah because if you have both you take it more serious (?) Now i thought to take up (?) some research about your history, that is that you playing with boys until you were 11 (P) hmm yes that sounds correct, hmm yes i started playing with boys because there were no girls team where i was. (D) Can you talk a bit about that? (P) yes well the things i remember was that i started to train with boys because i came from Tulstrup, i don’t know if you are familiar with the village? (D) (?) (P) A little village on Jylland there were no girls team to begin with so i started to train with the boys and i also was a bit of a tom-boy, short hair so that when i was on tournaments all the other teams thought i was a boy. (D) is that true? (P) Yes (D) It wasn’t because you was so good? (P) No i think it was a combination of i looked like a boy and because (?) And then i we got a girls team when i was around 10 years old and then i wanted to play with the girls rather then the boys because of the social aspects.

(D) Where there any differences? (P) by that time i can’t really remember if and what kinda differences there were but later on i also trained with FC Midtjyllands academy then i noticed a lot more differences, in focus, all the boys went in to training with the hope of a full-time contract with the a-team when they get older. Everybody goes in with full focus in trainings with everything a 100% and want to show themselves in the best light and in the club i was playing at the time (with girls) there were 5 girls that wanted something with their football. So i was really inspired by the mentality. (D) Did they have the same attitude to you as with the rest of the boys? (P) Yeah i think so, the trainer didn’t want to make any difference with me or the boys in relations with when and how they spoke to me during the trainings i felt that was nice. I didn’t want them to treat me any different because i was a girl. Yeah so that was a really good time with some really good trainings there. (D) (? I think he asks about if she brings that kinda mentality to other things in the future in the football aspect?) (P) Yes because i have that kinda mentality and that is why i think i fit me so well to train with boys because i have the same mentality. (D) In the same kind of environment? (P) Yes same kind of environment, but i was also inspired in the way they put up goals and what they wanted to achieve. I had a boyfriend that was also on the academy he was also inspired and put up goals all the time and had a mental coach and then i wanted that also that could help me with the mental coach that could help me and that got me thinking quite early on what could make me the best version of my self. What kind experts should i have, what kind mental things i need help with then i need a mental coach and then there were a really good shooting trainer in midtjylland and i got to work with and then later on (? something about an agent?). So i have always seen myself as an product

(D) (?) But in the modern football footballers is an product and the whole package and the ones that work with that mindset and works with thinking about themselves as a product is the ones that are going far. (Here p and d is speaking and i understand nothing until 12:42) (P) I have seen a lot of players that have worked really hard but haven’t got the mentality and they haven’t gone forward and then i have had teammates that wasn’t something special but have had the mentality this superwinner mentality and that is what you get far with. (D) Its the determination both on and off the pitch (P) Yes but it’s about having a plan with my career, (?early on i was clear about my plan? ) when i was done with Gymnaiset i knew i wanted to go abroad because the danish league wasn’t so good so either i was going to germany where i felt it was the best at the moment or i was going to sweden (?) then i coose to go to sweden because i felt that there were where i could develop at that time i (?had won a title in denmark) and the team i choose in Sweden Linköping weren’t really a top team in the league but i wasn’t thinking about winning trophies (titles?) at that time but i choose a team that i felt could use me, where i could play all the time i wanted to help them i wanted to feel that i gave them something. And in that way i also wanted to be valued by the team. Some of the other teams that was interested, some top teams i knew that i would be sitting on the bench at the start but i wanted to play. (D) He’s talking about how that was a good choice (?14:20-14:35 he’s asking her of what her opinion is on a situation that he is describing that i don’t understand)

(P) Yes but that was my own opinion to take this decision to take things slowly and take the steps when i’m ready for them. I didn’t feel like i was ready for wolfsburg when i was 19 because i wasn’t sure i (?wanted to be a starting player?) and i didn’t feel mentally done and fully developed mentally to play at the top level in europe, so i went to Sweden, it was a lesser step before i took the big step to germany. (D) It gave you peace and quit to be able .. (i guess develop, p breaks in here) (P) Yes and i got a good trainer that really invested in me 100% in linköping that wanted to build the play around me (D) Yeah and he did other things too, he got you a girlfriend to (?they are speaking at the same time) (P) Yeah it was actually him that brought the team/ me magda (D) This i what i mean! (?) Now we shall make her extra happy so we bring her a girlfriend. And there was another thing i was thinking about the parents, have they always been.. of course they been supportive but have they always thought you can become something great or have they been calm? (P) I don’t think they noticed that i had something special but i always wanted to train and i always wanted to be the best, that i think they noticed early and so i think they knew that if i did it correctly it could become something great. (D) Have you gotten it from one of them or from both? (P) I think i have gotten the football skills from my father but the winning mentality or the mentality of working hard comes from my mothers side. But my father have it also. I think they have known how to get the best out of me. (D) He’s talking about the importance of the support on the side line whether the game is going great or not so great and also even if you’re not playing as well, and they point is not what they are saying but the feeling of support and the fact that the support can be the difference of make it or break it.

(P) Yes that has my parents always been great at. They have always said good game or not so good game but better next time (?) but when she was playing i Viborg she had no driver’s licence but they drove here back and forth 1 hour back and forth 4 times a week. After their work. And they have seen so many of her games, national team games both in denmark and in sweden in germany and now in england. So that support have of course meant a lot for her, and is a large part why she has come as far as she has. Because she has learnt so many things in values (18:20 she uses the wrong word for values and they laugh about it) (D) It is not so easy to speak danish when you have been abroad so long. (P) Values and all those things expecially the thing about working hard that things doesn’t just get there by themselves. (D) He’s speaking about that the important thing is to ask the right questions to get a person to find the right way for themselves. (P) Agreed, for example in school it was a lot of parents that said that school is really important you should be able to get the best grades, but pernilles parents only said that she should do the best she can, thinking about that she is missing a lot of hours in school because of fotball. They have never said that i couldntä go train beacause of school or that you shouldn’t have the morning practice with fc midtjylland because then you’re missing out on lessons. You should just do the best that you can when you are there. But i also did good I went out with som good (?she says it like it would mean mentality but I’m not sure.) but that is again that mentality. You want to do good.

(D) there is this rumour that you was also good in another sport? (P) Yes (D) Which sport is that? Is that something to do with balls or is it something totally different? (P) Hah, yeah i think i have a good (I don’t know how to translate this boll öga, like good good with balls?) so i played handball and i was good at that. (D) (?) (P) Also in Ikast. Of course (D) What was it that made you choose football? (P) I knew i was better at football then handball. I don’t know i just loved to play football. I trained football when I didn’t have a training and i played football all the time. I guess it was inevitable. (D) What is it now that pulls you towars football? Is it the smell of the grass or the hard tackles? Or what is it? (P) The thing that motivates me is the feeling that i am developing, and i am noticing that i have such a big potential to be better and become someone and the nice thing about training is that i can see how good i can become. That is what i think is the nice thing about sport that i can train a lot and develop and see how good i can become. (D) Something about the first cap and which kinda mentality she brought to the game. (P) I was so nervous but when i got on the the pitch i just forgot about everything an only thought about playing football and scored the hattrick and then i was just the best feeling after the game. (? 22:08-22:50 He’s asking about the best feeling hattrick or something else, p can’t answer. Then he asks about which of the goals were the best feeling) 22:50

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