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[gch1995]

The whole point of Anakin’s/Vader’s character is not to be a role model, but a tragic hero/tragic villain with a cautionary tale/atonement arc. There are actually no role-models in the prequels. They are deeply flawed and misguided, but sympathetic. The first main adult character from the Jedi who you could really call a role-model was Luke Skywalker in the OT films, and a big part of that is because he got to live a full normal life as a child before he went off to join the galactic space monk soldier police at 18/19.

I really don’t want to get into a political war on the internet, but I will say that there are Anakin/Vader Stans/Jedi Order critics on both the Republican and Liberal side in the fandom. It’s not really about trying to wholly absolve Anakin for his sins, or blaming the Jedi for every terrible choice he made. It’s about recognizing that both the Jedi and Sith are deeply unhealthy extremist organizations in both culture and practice on the whole, and that Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke, and many other characters were victims of the corruption within those systems at one point or another.

Thinking about when I was an Anakin Stan

I used to be a big Anakin stan as well as a huge prequels fan. I used to emulate him and was a bit of an edgelord. I would often act emotionally violent and immature as well as taking an imaginary lightsaber and slashing it all over. There were times I would advocate for a communist dictatorship while quoting him. But then I started to see how toxic that was and how nasty of a person he was. I don’t want to be like that kind of character after seeing what I was doing and I don’t want to relate to him. Looking back, he was basically every conservative white boy I met who would act friendly while spewing or supporting the most bigoted shit while getting defensive and crying “I’m just joking” or “you just cancel people you disagree with”. Seeing his stans on tumblr made me hate him more with many of them such as tragicfantasy-girl or Nerdychristianfanboy being right wing, Zionist, anti trans, trump supporters. Reading YouTube comments and seeing all the people who say they would do the same as him if their mother or wife was dying is pretty disgusting. While there are a few villain characters that I do love and sympathize with such as Princess Harumi, most of my faves are the opposite of Anakin. They’re all “chosen one” characters who are actually worthy of being called that. I’m not a Christian but Anakin doesn’t deserve to be called space Jesus after acting like a fascist, racist predatory douchebag for most of his life. Now, all my faves are characters who faced temptation, trauma and hardship but still chose to do good and keep seeing the good in people which include:

Ben Tennyson, Lloyd Garmadon, Steven Universe, Meg Murry (A Wrinkle in Time), Madoka Kaname, Luz Noceda, Ahiru/Duck (Princess Tutu), Usagi Tsukino

All these characters are far more worthy of being called Christ figures and are the kind of person I want to be. Plus they’re all teens and still chose better than Anakin who was a grown man. I have nothing against people who like villain characters and still like a few myself but emulating their beliefs/behaviors and justifying them is not okay. I have a whole other essay planned for why I like Harumi and hate Anakin despite their similarities. But I am a bit embarrassed of my phase where I acted like Anakin was the greatest thing since sliced bread especially as a person of color who’s met people like Anakin and the real nastiness of their beliefs.

#I really don’t want to get in a war with the op #especially since the op technically did make an ‘anti Anakin Stans’ tag #but I saw that autistic-ben-tennyson mentioned the names of others in this fandom who I follow #I like tragicfantasy-girl #and nerdyChristianfanboy #also I’ve never seen one Anakin/Vader stan ever believe that the whole point of his character was to be a role-model #because being a role model is not the point of Anakin’s character #we see him as a tragic hero/tragic villain character with a lot of sympathetic traits and qualities #we see him as a lifelong victim who also became a perpetrator of the corruption that surrounded him #it’s not the point of any of the main characters in Star Wars before Luke skywalker in the ot films #that being said I do also do think we should lay off on the op a bit

[gch1995]

Yeah, a lot of fans who look at MBTI argue that Anakin and Darth Vader have two completely different personality types, but they also this is a character who has also been exposed to abuse, corruption, violence, and trauma his entire life as a bystander, victim, and/or perpetrator. This is a character who dealt with compromised agency his entire life.

A lot of fans point out that Vader in the OT films seems like an ISTJ or INTJ, but he’s still constantly trying to avoid living in his past by living in the present moment, which points to greater Se than Si functioning. Sure, he focuses deeply on his feelings for those he forms close personal connections with, such as Palpatine, Padme, Luke, Obi-Wan, his mother Shmi, Qui Gonn, and Ahsoka. However, Anakin has always personally valued holding onto family, friendship, and loyalty to those who are family or offer him kindness. He tends to have a lot of admiration and respect for those who are either kind to him personally or underdogs. You could easily argue that a lot of his ruminating on his closest relationships and family is Fi because the rest of his past, he does his best to try to deny and forget, even though he can’t.

He has internalized the toxicity of the Jedi/Sith/slave mindsets he got raised under to extremes, but that also could be PTSD and latent Ni. He envisioned himself becoming the most powerful Jedi after constantly being told he wasn’t good enough, but then when he becomes a Sith, he actually acts more like the “ideal” Jedi of his time than the power-crazed Sith. Se types can become accustomed and comfortable with having daily routines, but we’re still not as content with it in and of itself as Si types. Si-types tend to be really great at analyzing the past and learning from past experience. Every type learns from their pasts to some extent, but Si-doms usually can easily internalize and look back on the past to make it relevant to their present. Se-dom or aux types with Fi-dom or Fi-aux immerse ourselves in the raw present moment, and usually only focus on the past when it makes us feel some sort of enjoyment, excitement, interest, or rush that relates the present moment to indulge in nostalgia

I still think Anakin is an ESFP as Darth Vader in the suit, too. I just think he looks more like an ISTJ or INTJ on the surface because he’s been so broken, desensitized, and messed up by all the shit he’s been through and seen his entire life.

Anakin Skywalker + Darth Vader Personality analysis: MBTI

They are one and the same. However, it's obvious that they're not consistent in characterization, probably because one story came way before the other, and thus it might seem like they hold two very different personalities. While I'm certain of Anakin Skywalker and his potential type, I decided to type both of them as one whole, as they are, and see if I can fit him under a conclusive typing.

For starters, Anakin (prequel and TV show based), is very Extroverted sensor + Introverted feeler, making him most likely ESFP.

These two functions are shown quite a lot in his character, but while I deliberated for ISFP, ultimately it seems like he is a very highly extroverted sensing person. Everything he engages in the world, he is right there in it, enjoying the moment even in dire situations. In the Clone Wars show, it's almost a game: "How many droids did you kill this time?" He's easily competitive, easily in tune with his surroundings, and together he becomes an unstoppable force against all of his enemies. He is someone who relies on action, by leaping into the situation and taking the bull by the horns, often with no plan in mind until something's happening and he must react first, think second. Even in his childhood he was a "dreamer", but not of the intuitive kind, but one who wanted to explore the world - to see it for what it was in all of its sensory glory. Flying was exhilarating. Pod-racing, the most dangerous of sports, came so naturally for him (and not only just because of the force, but through his confidence in his ability to handle things). Mostly though, he is extremely reactive: He is constantly affected by what is happening around him, the here and now, and often can't see beyond "the moment". At his lowest he moves down into his Introverted Intuitive function, where suddenly his mind can't let go of something that hasn't happened yet - because he can't imagine it not happening. He loops into his extroverted thinking as a General in a war, where getting the job done is the only plan, no matter the means it takes.

You will also see how this character is driven by his feelings a lot of the time. They are essentially a faucet that he can't shut off, not until he's spiraling at his worst, where he has to do what he feels he has to, even if it means going against everything he had believed in. Because by then it no longer lines up with his internal values, which have already switched to a different priority. This makes him be able to reconcile evil with doing the right thing (in his POV - subjective).

It is a deep, internal hole that he buries himself into, and not being able to let go is something that he consistently struggles with. His mother's death feels like his own failure, and creates it as such, never able to forgive himself. He has a strong fear of losing the people who he cares about, and it can come across as a clear, personal bias, as most of his conflict with the Council is because their views of right and wrong often clash with his. The greater good is hard to put in perspective in Anakin's mind: Even in the midst of the most dangerous operations, he prioritizes his friends over the mission (a mission that could very well save thousands of lives). It's his personal feelings - his strong personal morals - that one could use to argue at the potential of him being an ISFP (if not an ESFP), but anything else would be hard to fit. He is almost too hasty with them (his values), and far too convoluted anyway.

It's interesting that, as Darth Vader, he transforms into a whole different person. Typology wise, you don't just lose your type - however, cinematically and through storytelling, the character is not all that congruent to keep up with the consistency of one another: both Anakin and Vader. So, they basically are two separate people in a sense, (even though this is not the case with his autonomy, which is that Darth Vader and Anakin are the same regardless of how many times he tries to remove his old self).

The argument that Darth Vader is still an ESFP, told through bouts of rambling and bad grammar, just because I'm writing all of this as I go and got lazy:

no patience. loops into Te. is pretty upfront and honest still about his feelings, choosing to convey it through actions [se] even if that means choking an officer because he felt like it. tries to be cool calm and collected but needs to have the last word so he likes to slip in a neat threat or something. hates dwelling on the past but is like a magnet to it [not because he is literally all robot parts but] because those feelings still run so deep. and so many high Se's i've noticed can have this weird thing with the past - they are so good at/or inclined to separate themselves from moments in their life. like "that was the old version" type of talk, whereas Si users are more likely to see their life in linear chapters. such as, this is what made me to this day, and obviously i'm different but I remember how I got here and the steps I took to become who I am today. and Darth Vader remembers of course, he can't really forget, but he does not necessarily acknowledge it in the way some people might think is relatively normal. it's like an itch but instead of scratching it and having a lingering annoyance, you instead just go straight to gnawing off your arm and replacing it with something else in order to get rid of the feeling. which may or may not be what happened to all his limbs essentially, but I mean this metaphorically too okay.

so Anakin Skywalker is just another dead man to Darth Vader, the weaker part of himself he can't entirely kill. instead he hunkers down on being this super evil sith lord, and it's a weird mix of self-hatred and righteousness. because he actually does believe in what he's doing. even years into Darth Vader he believes in what he is implementing and that he serves a purpose, even if it's as the emperor's attack dog on a leash. his Te still loops heavily - Anakin and Vader both get swept up into wars, where the details don't always matter as long as you're winning and proving yourself. they will be blunt and they will not care about the means of what they do as long as they get it done, as long as they accomplish the objective in mind. and sometimes that means forgoing the objective entirely, because it clashes with their own personal desire, and in this case they both don't care for the consequences. Anakin did it all the time, and as Vader he still does it constantly. he's just honestly going with the flow most of the time, willing to turn on something/someone the moment there's any inconvenience. and then hypocritically, he puts high standards on anyone else with a "make no mistakes" warning. if they're lucky to even get a warning.

his Ni is still pretty bad, but he makes up for it with age and an education in misery. also he has the force and it works wonders with intuition. he is not Ni dominant, for the people who love putting every villain as INTJ. Ni does not want to touch Anakin with a ten-foot pole. Ni is Palpatine meeting a young boy and fostering all of his fears so they come to the surface, weaving lies with half-truths and twisting the perceptions of others, cultivating an army before the war, playing both sides of it, and then using said army to win it from both sides anyway. he's living in a world years from him. he has already planted the seeds before he meets you personally. he looked into a person and saw the future and made it happen and that is what Ni is. it's something almost symbolic, it works beneath the surface, hidden until fruition, maneuvering out obstacles before they arise and it's all happening silently in their head. Darth Vader would circuit fry earlier than planned in ROTJ if he had to operate like this all the time. he will try to of course, with his baby Ni function, but he'll get as far as his good old "join me and let's rule together" speech with a plan to kill the emperor in which he failed once and was like. oh well, I tried. and there's no way the emperor didn't know, especially with the connotations of Luke Skywalker's existence and his connection to Vader. like it's literally so obvious what would be going through Vader's mind. any villain with any inkling of suspicion and means to keep their self in power would be like yeah he's planning my death for sure. who wouldn't have that plan? even i'd make that plan if I was a sith lord and the opportunity was there. like Darth Vader has been in this "line of work" for a while, he definitely knows his fair share of strategy and how the enemy will operate, so of course he can also be very clever too - it's just that planning or thinking things through don't come naturally. si is slow and methodical. ni is narrow but far-reaching. even as Vader, he is still a man of action and results. Se bluntness and Te brute force. even while dueling, like with Luke, he's just commentating on things that are happening.

Well, somehow during the course of this, I just slowly convinced myself of ESFP Vader, and I can't say I actually thought so coming into this. anyone else have thoughts? or care at all besides me?

okay i'm done👍

[gch1995]

I stopped watching after S7 because I honestly got bored and depressed with the Negan-mania. Sure, the Governor was a monster who eventually got what was coming to him in the end, but at least the writers managed to make him a fascinating villain I loved to constantly learn more about by making his characterization and storyline more emotionally complex, intelligent, and mysterious. At least, he had something of a vaguely sympathetic motive for being a jackass. He wasn’t redeemed, nor do I think he had to be. However, he was an entertaining villain who was on the show just as long as he needed to be without becoming overwhelming.

With Negan, from his introduction, what you see is what you get. He’s an openly cruel and sadistic tyrannical monster from the first episode he’s introduced in. He’s so horrendously evil from the outset. His backstory does nothing to make him even a little sympathetic. Sure, Rick and many of the other members of his group, including Glenn, had made decisions to commit morally dubious murders of the living to protect themselves from enemies, and you can argue that they took revenge too far on a few occasions against those enemies. They never targeted the innocent for selfish personal gain like the Governor or Negan .

Rick and his people pretty much minded their own business, living in peace. The only time they murdered the living was when those living people actively threatened their security and peace. Rick had has little “Ricktatorship” meltdown in S2 after killing Shane to protect himself, his family, and new friends. However, at the end of the day, it was all just an empty product of grief and survivor’s guilt. he never actually went through with because he knew it was wrong. Rick never kept multiple wives, stole wives from their legit husbands, or treated any of them like his slaves. Rick never physically abused and scarred any of his people to punish them. None of them ever brutally murdered others with a fucking baseball bat covered in barbed wire, and laughed while doing it.

To pretend like Negan and the Saviors being sadistic and tyrannical villains is in any way comparable to Rick and Team Family being morally gray antiheroes for the sake of protection with limited options is ridiculous, though. It’s the biggest reason why this whole Negan “redemption” arc never made any sense and felt forced.

Negan: i was trying to save you by killing glenn and your loved ones ya know :/ if you had just let me rule your community and loved ones with an iron fist, and let me torture daryl and let me make more crude “dick down your throat” comments to you and exploit you and son, and other communities carl wouldnt have died. :/ im the answer,i save people, me, the guy who had ocean sides men and young male children executed.

Me watching this go down while fangirls gush over him:

#anti negan

[gch1995]

Sure, there are times when the members of Team Family in Rick’s group made morally dubious and ruthless decisions with the lives of others to survive or defend themselves. Rick also had that brief Ricktatorship madness with Lori and the rest of the team in the wake of having to kill Shane to protect them all when he turned on them, but at the end of the day, that was all just an empty talk of his grief and trauma that he had too much humanity to actually follow through with in practice.

However, to pretend like the unprovoked attacks of murder, robbery, terrorization, torture, tyranny, and sexual abuse over innocent bystanders standing in the way of Negan’s sadistic glee in harming, murdering, and torturing to satisfy his unquenchable greed for more power over others is in any way comparable to morally ambiguous choices, mindsets, and murders that Rick, Abraham, Carl, Glenn, Maggie, Michonne, Daryl, Carol, and the other members of Team Family only committed after being provoked and/or threatened into a corner by these enemies first in a world where stable shelter, financial security, proper, psychiatric care for the mentally ill was difficult to come across, a legal system for due process of criminals no longer existed, and a cure for the walker infection was impossible to create, is ridiculous

It doesn’t make sense to go with that narrative shift in the theme of sometimes having to punish the living or kill them for protection when they posed themselves as enemies or threats that couldn’t safely be reasoned with or trusted in the post-apocalyptic world after six years of establishing it as a recurring theme in both the comics and show. Not to mention the fact that Kirkman and Gimple made the choice of doing this redemption arc with the most unsympathetically motivated and inherently evil tyrannical villain in the series they created, which made any sort of “redemption” of his feel too unbelievable and jarring. Very few fans are going to be able to ever buy the “redemption” of a character who was introduced in the series brutally and sadistically bashing in the heads of beloved and kindhearted main characters they spent years getting to know in horrifically graphic detail until nothing of their heads is left but a bloody crushed pile of brain matter on top of their corpses

With-Glenn and Post-Glenn feel like two very different post-apocalyptic series.

#twd spoilers

[gch1995]

I think Andy really wanted to say that TWD has been killed as a show because both Robert Kirkman and especially Scott Gimple are lazy hacks who have some sort of bizarre dark action fantasy graphic comic book nerd self-insert obsession with Negan because they can make him a character who gives them all that exploitative shock value on screen that doesn’t take any creative storytelling talent to write. Not to mention, they can make a lot of money for putting him on merchandise at Hot Topic.

I think Andy really wanted to say that no one’s cruel, unfair, and unusual death on Team Family from the OG survivors in the post introduction to Negan/Saviors era of the show, would ever be enough for any of them to do anything to permanently make him go away, so they could punish him for his crimes, and try to move on as peacefully as possible without him constantly invading their fucking lives with no real remorse for all the wrongs he did to both them and so many others because suddenly the message is that the remaining members of Team Family “can see where he is coming from.”

Sure, there are times when the members of Team Family in Rick’s group made morally dubious and ruthless decisions with the lives of others to survive or defend themselves. Rick also had that brief Ricktatorship madness with Lori and the rest of the team in the wake of having to kill Shane to protect them all when he turned on them, but at rhetorical end of the day, that was all just an empty talk of his grief and trauma that he had too much humanity to actually go through with.

However, to pretend like the unprovoked attacks of murder, robbery, terrorization, torture, tyranny, and sexual abuse over innocent bystanders standing in the way of Negan’s sadistic glee in harming, murdering, and torturing them for more control and power is in any way comparable to morally ambiguous choices, mindsets, and murders that Rick, Abraham, Carl, Glenn, Maggie, Michonne, Daryl, Carol, and the other members of Team Family only committed after being provoked and/or threatened into a corner by these enemies first in a world where stable shelter, financial security, proper, psychiatric care for the mentally ill was difficult to come across, a legal system for due process of criminals no longer existed, and a cure for the walker infection was impossible to create, is ridiculous.

It doesn’t make sense to go with that narrative shift in the theme of sometimes having to punish the living or kill them for protection when they posed themselves as enemies or threats that couldn’t safely be reasoned with or trusted in the post-apocalyptic world after six years of establishing it as a recurring theme in both the comics and show. Not to mention the fact that Kirkman and Gimple made the choice of doing this redemption arc with the most unsympathetically motivated and inherently evil tyrannical one-note villain in the series they created, which made any sort of “redemption” of his feel too unbelievable and jarring. Very few fans are going to be able to ever buy the “redemption” of a character who was introduced in the series brutally and sadistically bashing in the heads of beloved and kindhearted main characters they spent years getting to know in horrifically graphic detail until nothing of their heads is left but a bloody crushed pile of brain matter on top of their corpses. Very few

Yeah, I wish that Andy had been more appreciative of Glenn’s significance to Rick’s survival on the show in that interview, but even before either him or Michonne, if any of the writing on the show had still made sense, Carl was his anchor.

Andrew Lincoln saying if michonne was killed not Glenn then he would’ve killed Negan is so annoying. Rick wouldn’t have met michonne had it not been for Glenn saving his ass. The downplay of Glenn is disrespectful to both the character and Steven Yuen. I can’t wait for Lauren to get off this shit show.

[gch1995]

Right? A lot of us in the OG audience for the show grew up with the original Atlanta survivors on the show. The director and writers eventually developed this habit of repeatedly killing off main characters right when they had the most to lose and the most potential for further development, too. It’s why I finally started to feel emotionally drained by the time Glenn actually did get killed off by Negan on the show, gave up after S7, and feel grateful that I did quit watching when I finally did, considering how much worse I read about the show getting with Gimple’s Negan boner.

not to be a tenacious bitch on main but the primary reason the walking dead lost its core audience is because they keep killing off the main characters for shock value and replacing them with characters we won’t give two shits about because there’s not enough time to invest in them emotionally and even if we had enough time we wouldn’t be able to invest emotionally because they have drained us over and over by getting rid of good, developed characters we have followed, supported and appreciated for a long time 

#yes i am still salty about glenn rhee #the love of my life #and carl ofc #i mean wtaf was even his death????

[gch1995]

Yeah, I’m usually all for anti-villain/tragic villain redemption arcs in fiction. If you follow my blog, you know I pretty heavily defend Anakin Skywalker’s ultimate redemption or atonement arc through his son Luke in Star Wars.

With Negan, though, the character is portrayed as being way too pure evil for me to buy Team Family ever being okay living in harmony with from the get go at his introduction. Honestly, his backstory didn’t really do anything to make him more sympathetic, he still defends himself for being a remorseless and tyrannical psychopath, and Team Family gets thrown under the bus to prioritize him, even though we’ve grown to know and love them far longer.

GLENN RHEE DESERVED TO BE THERE WHEN HIS SON WAS BORN WITH HIS WIFE HE DESERVED TO CARRY HIS BABY IN HIS ARMS HE DESERVED TO GET TO HEAR HIS SON CALL HIM DAD FOR THE FIRST TIME AND TEACH HIM HOW TO TIE HIS SHOESLACES AND HUG HIM AND BE THERE FOR HIM AND TEACH HIM ALL THE LESSONS THAT HE LEARNED FROM HIS GRANDPA AND IM NEVER SHUTTING UP ABOUT IT

[gch1995]

Yeah, I tried to keep watching after Negan’s introduction in 7x01 after he murdered Abraham and Glenn for the sakes of Rick, Carl, Michonne, and Maggie. However, it just kept going downhill afterwards. I feared that would happen once they introduced Negan on the show. It’s not that I usually have an issue with anti-villains and tragic villains getting redemption arcs, but Negan was just portrayed as way too horrifically evil, petty, remorseless, self-righteous, and tyrannical for me to ever buy as a character I’d ever want to see truly redeemed enough to make truly friends with on Team Family. At best, they could have had Negan stay in prison for the rest of his life as punishment, or had him atone slightly by dying to save Carl or Judith.

That fantasy vision that Carl had of Negan being a happy and beloved member of their team was totally ooc bs, though. Carl witnessed that monster of a man brutally and sadistically murder two of his friends by bashing in their heads to bloody piles of broken down brain matter. He knows how much Glenn’s murder devastated Maggie, and he even tried to hug her afterwards to comfort her when he saw her breaking down in 7x01 in the aftermath. He witnessed Negan toy with the possibility of murdering him. He saw that Negan ran Alexandria as an abusive and tyrannical cult leader. He saw how Negan kept multiple wives as his slaves. He saw how Negan hurt Dwight to “punish him.” He knows that Negan took in his friend Daryl as a prisoner to torture him for shits and giggles. He knows that Negan mocked him for the loss of his eye.

Two main characters who were good people didn’t “need” to die for shock value and the woobification of the most evil villain in the series who’s still not fully sorry for being a piece of garbage, anyway. Team Family didn’t “need” to be sacrificed and sidelined to prioritize him. No wonder so many fans are pissed off.

i really hate this show so fucking much i literally don’t know what to do rick grimes has always been one of my favorite characters i love glenn rhee, carl grimes, maggie rhee, michonne, and rick grimes more than anyone else on this show but i don’t. i don’t know what that scene with rick under the tree was bc the glass didn’t seem to be broken was that a flashback or was that now either way every single time i think about the fact that carl is gone and every single time i think about the fact that rick grimes lost his son i lose my fucking mind but i just. that’s not what this is. the walking dead used carl’s death as an excuse to keep negan alive. that’s literally all that was and i don’t think i’ve ever seen literally anything more disrespectful in quite literally my entire life. and then,,,,,,, for rick grimes to keep negan alive. rick grimes heard maggie rhee fucking bawling her eyes out and screaming her throat raw please kill him, he killed glenn, please kill him and he ignored her. “for carl.” this truly cannot be a thing. i simply don’t understand how rick grimes could think about the fact that his son wanted a better world, to think about the walks that he and carl took and how he got to raise carl and see him grow and love him more than anyone else in the world and at the same time, when he hears maggie sobbing the most painful sobs i have ever heard in my entire life, not think about the fact that negan took those moments away from glenn. maggie rhee is pregnant with glenn rhee’s child and by God glenn rhee deserved more than anyone else in literally the entire fucking world to raise his child and to take walks with his child and to see his child grow and to love his child more than anyone else in the world and that was taken from him. that was taken from him by negan bc negan took him from this world. negan took glenn rhee away from his wife and his child. how in God’s Name can rick think about his son and not think about the complete fucking irony that he is doing all of this bc his son is gone and his son was the best part of his life and his son told him that he loved him more than anyone else and glenn rhee will never have that opportunity. to use carl to keep negan alive and to disrespect glenn so aggressively is the most absolutely stupid and unforgivable thing the walking dead has ever done, and that’s saying a lot, bc everything that the walking dead has done for the past four or so years has been fucking stupid. but to take two of the best characters on this show and fucking shit on their memories is something i am so indescribably angry about i quite literally cannot put it into words. fuck the walking dead. fuck the walking dead writers for making rick make the decision he made. fuck the walking dead writers for making michonne support rick’s ignorant decision. fuck the walking dead writers for taking glenn rhee and carl grimes to “advance the plot.” fuck the walking dead writers for making the next season about fucking internal conflicts between the only three characters that i love more than anyone else in the show. fuck the walking dead for creating characters that i love more than anyone and ruining them.

#anti-negan

[gch1995]

Yeah, I wanted to believe that I could get past Negan’s introduction and Glenn’s murder by him on the show. I tried to keep going on for the sake of Rick, Carl, Maggie, Judith, and Michonne throughout season 7. However, it just kept getting worse, just as I suspected it would after Negan got introduced on the show all along, because Gimple’s boner for Negan turned out to be even worse than Kirkman’s.

So, this whole season was bullshit, raise your hand if you agree

#twd #Anti-negan

[gch1995]

Yeah, in spite of its flaws, I really was invested in TWD show up until the whole introduction of Negan, and it’s not just because I really didn’t want to see Glenn get killed off by him. It’s honestly messed up how the only Asian main character in the comics and show, not to mention a generally kindhearted and moral character, had the most brutal death. Even more than that, Kirkman, Gimple, and his stans seem to have an annoying action/fantasy comic self-insert fanboy obsession with the character of Negan and the Saviors. I don’t necessarily have a problem with villains getting redemption arcs, but particularly in the show Negan never really changes for the better as a person. Instead, Gimple and Kirkman belittle, destroy, sacrifice, and sideline the arcs, characterizations, and storylines of Rick, Carl, Maggie, and the rest of Team Family to do it.

came across a post online where twd fans were agreeing on how negan deserved to be forgiven by maggie and i'm once again reminded how much i used to hate the fandom and the rage made me quit the show

#anti negan #anti-saviors #anti Robert kirkman #anti Scott gimple #Aside from the fact that I just didn’t want Glenn to be killed off #i also was really dreading the introduction of Negan because I know that Kirkman had this gross self-insert creator pet obsession with him #and unfortunately Scott Gimple proved to be even worse with that Negan obsession in the show than Kirkman was with him in the comics #glenn rhee #maggie rhee #I had a bad feeling the show was going to be forever ruined for me when Negan was officially introduced on it and I was right #I’m glad I quit watching after S7.

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Negan brutally bashed her husband’s and Abraham’s brains to bloody ground beef right in front of her, while sadistically mocking them all as he did. For everyone who argues, “Well, you’d hate Rick, Carl, Glenn, Maggie, Michonne, Abraham, and Daryl as much as Negan and the Saviors if they were positioned as the villains against them instead,” just, no, that argument doesn’t work.

The members of Team Family all had moments where they made bad choices and mistakes throughout the series, but they still were never nearly as bad as their enemies. He and Morgan made a morally gray decision when they left those Saviors behind to be eaten by those walkers after promising to spare them to gain freedom, though those Saviors still were going to kill Rick and Morgan beforehand, anyway. Rick went through his whole “Ricktatorship” drama in S2 after Lori died, but at the end of the day, it was all just talk on Rick’s part that he snapped out of because he realized it was wrong. Rick never physically harmed or tortured anyone in his group to “teach them a lesson” for “stepping out of line” like Negan did to Dwight. He didn’t force Carol, Beth, Maggie, Sasha, Andrea, Michonne, or any of the other women in his group to marry him by threatening to abandon them, harm them, or harm their loved ones, if they refused him or tried to leave him, unlike Negan. He went about trying to stop the Saviors in the wrong way by asking them to be killed on the down-low by Glenn and his teammates. No one on Rick’s team ever murdered children, or sadistically tortured enemies. No one on Team Family was a rapist.

They made bad choices and mistakes, but Rick and the rest of his group members were never psychopathic tyrants like Negan and the Savior or the Governor. They didn’t go looking to start fights. The reason they killed the Saviors is because the Saviors started robbing and killing them to try to take over first. Negan is a sadistic tyrant who would have still bashed in the brains of every member of Team Family to rob them and take over, even if they hadn’t fought back.

ofc the next thing the twd writers are gonna do is villanize maggie because she wants to blow negan’s head off… because y’know… she’s sO wRoNg for wanting to kill a fcking murderer.

#anti negan

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negan after telling maggie he would have killed every single one of them if he could go back to that day:

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Not to mention the fact that Carl’s sudden soft spot for Negan was completely out of character. If the writing on the show still made any sense, he’d have told Rick to murder that asshole to avenge the murders of Abraham and Glenn and protect the rest of them from him. This is just Kirkman and Gimple wanking off to a character who is a horrible human being with no redeeming qualities.

Hmm yeah no. I’m with Maggie. Negan bashed her husband’s brains in right in front of her, bashed in Abraham’s brains in right in front of her, continually tried to kill everyone at Hilltop, tortured Daryl, and literally only stopped killing them when he got his fucking throat slit open.

On top of the fact Maggie has lost literally *everyone* she ever cared about. Her mom, her brother, her father, her sister, her husband, Sasha. The losses have never stopped coming for Maggie and two of those losses were directly because of Negan. The last thing she has is her baby and we all know damn well a pregnancy wouldn’t stop Negan from killing her if he had the chance.

Maggie has every right to be angry. Maggie has every right to feel betrayed. What happens to Negan isn’t solely Rick and Michonne’s decision.

#Anti-negan

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The stigma of self-inserts is so harmful to the creative process. Relax. Admit it. Everything you make is derivative of yourself, always, no exceptions. You can turn the mirror into tinier and tinier shards or you can make it as big as you want to reflect as much as you want. At the end of the day it's always going to show you inside of it. Pretending otherwise is stupid.

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I’ll give an example, my boyfriend and I of 8 months now had sex for the first time in his car back in August or July of last year three months after we started dating exclusively. We were both incredibly inexperienced and had never tried car sex before. He actually hasn’t had sex at all before me at 27-29 when we first started talking, I had only had sex once before him with a guy who turned out to be a fling a few months after my 27th birthday when we started officially dating each other in person. We both had talked several times about wanting to have sex with each other beforehand 3-4 months into dating exclusively. I knew he wasn’t abusive, only after me for sex, aggressive, or generally pushy for it. We actually said our “I love yous” before that, and still go on plenty of dates where no sex is involved. We both had talked about having no moral restrictions to it. Unfortunately, since we both live with parents, work different shifts (I’m usually only totally free on the weekends, he works on and-off 3-5 days a week) it’s often not possible to get access to a hotel on the weekends, his place when his parents and brother aren’t at home, or my place when my parents and siblings aren’t at home. It takes time to save up for apartments or your own place, as most Millennials/Zillennials are aware. Hence, why we were planning on trying out car sex the first time three months into dating exclusively for three months.

On the day we first tried car sex back in July, yes, I was hesitant and nervous, but obviously not unwilling to try it, nor was I seriously coerced. Yes, he had to plead once or twice with me to make me feel a bit more certain when I started chickening a bit right before we started getting ready to do it because neither of us had ever done it before, but it wasn’t like I didn’t want for us to try car sex at all either and didn’t want him at all. He knew that, and I knew him well enough by that point to know that he wouldn’t break up with me, physically harm me, threaten me, or continue to keep going, if I adamantly said “No, I change my mind, I just don’t want to do this with you now because I’m not ready,” protested I was in pain, or physically pushed him away. I was nervous and uncertain about the new experience, due to the awkwardness of doing it in the car with him, due to our extreme height difference. I’m a petite 5’0, and he’s a relatively tall 6’3. I was not in any pain, repulsed by him, terrified, threatened, or physically pushing him away.

For crying out loud, I brought fucking lube and pillows with me before our date that night for the explicit purpose of trying out car sex with him, and he didn’t tell me to do that beforehand! I did that because I wanted to try it. Yes, I was mildly hesitant and uncertain about the circumstances in which we were trying it because I had never done car sex before, and the positioning was awkward. However, my resistance really wasn’t that strong. It really had nothing to do with me not wanting my boyfriend, nor did I feel too terrified to adamantly refuse him or physically push him away. In that situation, I was okay with being “nagged” into doing it in his car with him protesting with a few “pleases” to my mild uncertainty of doing it in his car because I knew I wanted him, he knew I wanted him, and I knew he never would break up with me, physically harm me, insult me, or physically force himself on me, if I adamantly refused him, protested I was in pain, or physically pushed him away. If we hadn’t talked about wanting to have sex with each other before many times, he had given me legitimate reasons to fear adamently refusing him or pushing him away, he forced himself on me, or I had protested I was in pain and he still continued, then I’d consider that assault. If it became a consistent pattern of me initially shying away from sex with him because I didn’t want him or had moral reservations to hold on until marriage that he knew about with him still begging me to reconsider with “please” more than a few times, then I’d consider that manipulative. Doing it a few times in protest to a weak “no” or “not right now” on rare occasion with no threat behind it when it’s our first time trying to have sex in new situations that we both were already seriously considering trying until the last second because one of us is insecure or uncertain about how great it’s going to be under awkward or unfamiliar circumstances or timing after 3-8 months of dating, I don’t consider sexual abuse, coercion, or harassment, though.

Dubious consent in romantic/sexual relationships shouldn’t become a recurring habit, nor should you but I’m also really tired of how black and white the current media totally demonizes physically nonviolent male partners in established relationships with women for occasionally lightly pleading or nagging them for sex in certain situations, new experiences, or times that aren’t ideal, even if they have both previously discussed what they are okay with and not okay with sexually, both know they want each other, and both know they would never physically harm, break up with, incapacitate, or force themselves on each other for sex.

If you’re getting belittled, blackmailed, insulted, physically harmed, physically threatened, threatened to break up, physically forced to comply to sex with your partner after saying no without question or protest from them, you push them back and they keep going, you’re physically ill, you protest you’re in pain during sex with them, you’re so drunk or high that you struggle to know your own mind, push or nearly unconscious, they still don’t listen, and they give you reason to believe that you won’t be okay if you refuse them, then that’s definite rape/sexual assault/sexual coercion that you should run away from immediately. Giving in to empty pleases from an established and safe male partner when you express hesitance or uncertainty in regards to the timing or situation for sex shouldn’t become a recurring habit in a relationship, but it’s also not something that automatically makes him an abusive rapist, inherently manipulative, or a terrible human being if he occasionally persuades you into sex that you want with him in a new situation, or setting that make you feel awkward or uncomfortable because of the timing. As long as you both know you want each other, both love each other, you both know you won’t ever be cruel, hurtful, or physically forceful to get sex when one of you is uncertain or reluctant, you’re both reasonably healthy, sober, and clear headed, and you both know you don’t have reason to fear for pushing away or saying no, it doesn’t automatically mean either of you are an irredeemably evil sexual predator to get whiny, ask, or beg them to reconsider for sex when one of you express doubtfulness and uncertainty at the awkwardness of the situation, the new experience, or the timing when options are limited. It shouldn’t become a recurring habit because then why are you even staying together? Do you really even want each other at all? To pretend like most of us haven’t occasionally resorted to occasionally pleading, pouting, or whining when a partner who we know loves us is uncertain about having sex with us in a certain setting that they’d be willing to have under ideal circumstances and timing that isn’t always possible is just ridiculous, though. To pretend like the majority of us haven’t engaged in some light non-violent and non-threatening pressuring for sex from an uncertain partner at least once or twice in a relationship in our lives is ridiculous. We shouldn’t allow it become a habit, but we shouldn’t treat it as an immediate dealbreaker if it happens once or twice, especially in situations in a new relationship in which one or more of the partners is inexperienced.

#tw: coercion #Tw: rape #dubious consent #I’m not saying that rape is ever acceptable #But dubious consent does also happen in established relationships sometimes and it doesn’t automatically equal rape

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Dubious consent in romantic/sexual relationships shouldn’t become a recurring habit, nor should you but I’m also really tired of how black and white the current media totally demonizes physically nonviolent male partners in established relationships with women for occasionally lightly pleading or nagging them for sex in certain situations, new experiences, or times that aren’t ideal, even if they have both previously discussed what they are okay with and not okay with sexually, both know they want each other, and both know they would never physically harm, break up with, incapacitate, or force themselves on each other for sex.

If you’re getting belittled, blackmailed, insulted, physically harmed, physically threatened, threatened to break up, physically forced to comply to sex with your partner after saying no without question or protest from them, you push them back and they keep going, you’re physically ill, you protest you’re in pain during sex with them, you’re so drunk or high that you struggle to know your own mind, push or nearly unconscious, they still don’t listen, and they give you reason to believe that you won’t be okay if you refuse them, then that’s definite rape/sexual assault/sexual coercion that you should run away from immediately. Giving in to empty pleases from an established and safe male partner when you express hesitance or uncertainty in regards to the timing or situation for sex shouldn’t become a recurring habit in a relationship, but it’s also not something that automatically makes him an abusive rapist, inherently manipulative, or a terrible human being if he occasionally persuades you into sex that you want with him in a new situation, or setting that make you feel awkward or uncomfortable because of the timing. As long as you both know you want each other, both love each other, you both know you won’t ever be cruel, hurtful, or physically forceful to get sex when one of you is uncertain or reluctant, you’re both reasonably healthy, sober, and clear headed, and you both know you don’t have reason to fear for pushing away or saying no, it doesn’t automatically mean either of you are an irredeemably evil sexual predator to get whiny, ask, or beg them to reconsider for sex when one of you express doubtfulness and uncertainty at the awkwardness of the situation, the new experience, or the timing when options are limited. It shouldn’t become a recurring habit because then why are you even staying together? Do you really even want each other at all? To pretend like most of us haven’t occasionally resorted to occasionally pleading, pouting, or whining when a partner who we know loves us is uncertain about having sex with us in a certain setting that they’d be willing to have under ideal circumstances and timing that isn’t always possible is just ridiculous, though. To pretend like the majority of us haven’t engaged in some light non-violent and non-threatening pressuring for sex from an uncertain partner at least once or twice in a relationship in our lives is ridiculous. We shouldn’t allow it become a habit, but we shouldn’t treat it as an immediate dealbreaker if it happens once or twice, especially in situations in a new relationship in which one or more of the partners is inexperienced.

#getting an occasional protest of please or come on babe i did it for you from an established s/o you love who you know won’t harm you #tw:consent #tw: rape #I know I may get hate for this #and I’m not defending rape sexual assault abuse or outright violent sexual coercion #but the amount of demonizing people get for occasionally engaging in occasional light and no malicious pleading for sex #in response to uncertainty is just ridiculous #by the way the me too movement now treats it men are demonized for so much as being upset about being in a dead bedroom marriage

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Dubious consent in romantic/sexual relationships shouldn’t become a recurring habit, nor should you but I’m also really tired of how black and white the current media totally demonizes physically nonviolent male partners in established relationships with women for occasionally lightly pleading or nagging them for sex in certain situations, new experiences, or times that aren’t ideal, even if they have both previously discussed what they are okay with and not okay with sexually, both know they want each other, and both know they would never physically harm, break up with, incapacitate, or force themselves on each other for sex.

If you’re getting belittled, blackmailed, insulted, physically harmed, physically threatened, threatened to break up, physically forced to comply to sex with your partner after saying no without question or protest from them, you push them back and they keep going, you’re physically ill, you protest you’re in pain during sex with them, you’re so drunk or high that you struggle to know your own mind, push or nearly unconscious, and they still don’t listen, and they give you reason to believe that you won’t be okay if you refuse their a few of their empty pleases in regards to your initial “I don’t knows,” “not right now,” or “You know I want you, but this isn’t the right time, so we should stop,” then that’s definite rape/sexual assault. Giving in to pleases from an established and safe male partner when you express hesitance or uncertainty in regards to the timing or situation for sex shouldn’t become a recurring habit in a relationship, but it’s also not something that automatically makes him abusive, irredeemable, manipulative, and terrible if he occasionally persuades you into sex that you want with him in new situations or settings that make you feel awkward or uncomfortable.

#getting an occasional protest of please or come on babe i did it for you from an established s/o you love who you know won’t harm you