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Wish there was this much energy for defending R&J
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KIT CONNER AND RACHEL ZEGLER AS ROMEO AND JULIET??? THIS IS NOT A DRILL I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL
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There are literally at least 5 major MAANs I know of (‘90s Branagh, Joss Whedon’s version, the David Tennant/Catherine Tate version, the Shakespeare in the Park version, the Globe Theater one), plus a loose film adaptation that was a hit.
Meanwhile all the recent major R&J productions was that horrible film one with the butchered Shakespeare that bombed, the stupid gnome one, and the Orlando Bloom one. And they still haven’t adapted the French musical.
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“Edward was shrugging out of his jacket. I suddenly realized that I had never once noticed what he was wearing—not just tonight, but ever. I just couldn’t seem to look away from his face. I made myself look now, focusing. He was removing a light beige leather jacket now; underneath he wore an ivory turtleneck sweater. It fit him snugly, emphasizing how muscular his chest was.” (Twilight, p. 169-170)
“He pulled off his T-shirt, already spotted with blood, and threw it to me. I wadded it up and held it tightly to my forehead.” (New Moon, p. 188)
Yeah…what she really wants(tm).
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Let No One Sleep! (Nessun Dorma)
N.B: The inspiration for English lyrics hit me so suddenly about some time ago, I’m shocked, lol. I thought this aria above all would resist English. I still have one dubious line that would require an extra syllable, but the alternatives did not satisfy me completely. I also debated whether or not to keep the interrogative tense, since that makes Calaf a little less of an asshole…but I thought he was arguably worse in English than in Italian, so some softening wouldn’t do much. 🤣 Hope you enjoy.
Let No One Sleep! (Nessun Dorma)
Calaf Let no one sleep! Let no one sleep…
Even you, my Turandot Locked in your sacred tower Will you deny me? Will you defy your stars now All for your power?
Or do I haunt you even so? And by your will my name would know? No, no! Only when I take your lips in mine I’ll break your silence By the morn
My kiss shall free you from the cold chains that conceal you And keep you from me
Chorus His name he’s sworn no one will know And so we are condemned to die By light!
Calaf Give way, oh, night! Let the day alight! Let the day alight I’ll die or you’ll be mine You’ll be mine! You’ll be mine!
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cto10121 · 5 days
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Learned Rudolf's part and now I can't remember the main melody. 🫠 Only me, I guess. Anyhoo, I'm shocked by how okay this turned out; I thought this would be a harder song to sing. It only took me long because I decided to learn Rudolf's harmony like an idiot.
The Shadow's Growing Longer (Die Schatten werden länger)
Death Now it’s time to break the silence  Time to offer you some guidance You’ve known me, yes, you’ve known me Cold, alone, still, you have known me  Even as a boy you’ve shown me What you could be if you’d at last decide
Rudolf Death, you’ve come when I most need you  Dearest friend, I knew you’d be true In this world of madness, greed, you—
Death Am here To be your guide
Both The shadow’s growing longer But mankind is blind to his own folly  The darkness growing stronger In his hate, his greed, his melancholy The shadow’s growing longer Either change the tide Or watch the whole world die
Rudolf Captain of a ship soon sinking Wracked by gales, so close to brinking  And I’m trapped, so helpless, thinking  I’m bounded Tied and grounded 
Death Still, you can prevent disaster If you’re brave enough to try it Though the tide moves ever faster
Rudolf It makes me long to die! 
All The shadow’s growing longer But mankind is blind to its own folly The darkness growing stronger In his hate, his greed, his melancholy The shadow’s growing longer Revolution’s nigh So why do you/I linger still? 
Death What are you waiting for? Do what you have to do Do what you must  To reach for power!
Rudolf Power?
All The shadow’s growing longer What must happen has to or it’s too late The darkness growing stronger  But the world is blind and deaf with hate The shadow’s growing longer Emperor Rudolf will soon make war with this fate
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cto10121 · 5 days
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i think about this moment at least once a day
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I am of the firm opinion that Book Wicked and Musical Wicked are two separate spheres that should never touch, so the Wicked movie looks to be a certified disaster. So yeah, I’m definitely seeing it in theaters.
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Learned Rudolf's part and now I can't remember the main melody. 🫠 Only me, I guess. Anyhoo, I'm shocked by how okay this turned out; I thought this would be a harder song to sing. It only took me long because I decided to learn Rudolf's harmony like an idiot.
The Shadow's Growing Longer (Die Schatten werden länger)
Death Now it’s time to break the silence  Time to offer you some guidance You’ve known me, yes, you’ve known me Cold, alone, still, you have known me  Even as a boy you’ve shown me What you could be if you’d at last decide
Rudolf Death, you’ve come when I most need you  Dearest friend, I knew you’d be true In this world of madness, greed, you—
Death Am here To be your guide
Both The shadow’s growing longer But mankind is blind to his own folly  The darkness growing stronger In his hate, his greed, his melancholy The shadow’s growing longer Either change the tide Or watch the whole world die
Rudolf Captain of a ship soon sinking Wracked by gales, so close to brinking  And I’m trapped, so helpless, thinking  I’m bounded Tied and grounded 
Death Still, you can prevent disaster If you’re brave enough to try it Though the tide moves ever faster
Rudolf It makes me long to die! 
All The shadow’s growing longer But mankind is blind to its own folly The darkness growing stronger In his hate, his greed, his melancholy The shadow’s growing longer Revolution’s nigh So why do you/I linger still? 
Death What are you waiting for? Do what you have to do Do what you must  To reach for power!
Rudolf Power?
All The shadow’s growing longer What must happen has to or it’s too late The darkness growing stronger  But the world is blind and deaf with hate The shadow’s growing longer Emperor Rudolf will soon make war with this fate
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cto10121 · 6 days
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This is the whole passage in context:
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So “anti human” = humans ain’t shit in the Twilight universe compared to vampires and werewolves. Which, yeah, checks out.
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ok who wants to break the news to stephenie meyer that women are in fact human
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A sentence that I cannot say among my musical circle because I'd be bullied immediately: European musicals are ten times better than Broadway ones 😔
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R&J Clown Takes Round ♾️ + Part 13
I’m back!!!! It’s been awhile, but I wanted some fresh takes for once instead of another round of stale clownery. Featuring R&J Glorifying Suicide(tm) and It’s A Tragedy, Actually, Not A Love Story, but funnier. On nom nom away
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Clown OP is definitely one of those who would think Brutus was honorable for committing suicide at the end of Julius Caesar but clutches their pearls when two teens do it for love.
So, no, R&J is not even about suicide, much less glorifying it. Nowhere in the play does R&J glorify suicide or death—on the contrary, Juliet freaks out when thinking about being buried alive in the tomb and Romeo speaks with horror of the tomb in pretty much the same language. Hell, it isn’t really even about death. Suicide is a means to an end—being with each other. If things were different, they would never even think of the possibility.
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Tell me you’re American without telling me you’re American—
Juliet fell in love with Romeo when Paris was a vague twinkle in their parents’ eye. They only decided to have her married off after she and Romeo fell in love and consummated their union.
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That would have instantly dissolved at the slightest hardship. Polycules are notoriously fragile. Also Rosaline is literally sworn to chastity, so thanks for the erasure. Also, also, Juliet canonically can’t stand Paris.
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Sampson and Gregory joking about killing and raping Montague women is such a knee-slapper, I agree! Seriously, the only laughter I can see emanating from the Theater at the time would be derisive (maybe the creeps and dude bros would be validated, idk). They are so clearly drawn to be stupid boors you’re not supposed to like, it’s more of a satire than anything else.
Rebranded As A Love Story!!!!!
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“Rebranded as a love story” “Playing hockey” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I CAN’T
So anyway, for the 500th time, Shakespeare totally shipping Romeo and Juliet together is as canonical as you can get.
As for hockey buddies…well, you’ve got a point there. Because hockey buddies would totally fake their deaths and commit suicide for each other. Hockey is that emotional a sport.
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Fiction /= real life is an equation too complicated for Clown OP. This has to be trolling.
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Oh, thank God I’m not the only one who doesn’t see Elizabeth/Darcy working at all. Maybe Austen meant it as an opposites-need-each-other kind of way—Elizabeth being lively and funny while Darcy being quieter but more serious/responsible. There is also a these-two-are-alike-in-their-pride-AND-their-prejudice-so-soul-mates(?) sort of rationale.
But I personally don’t buy it. Being both alike in pride and prejudice is a negative similarity, not a positive one, and these stem from completely different value systems. (Not to mention it is a slightly different kind of pride and prejudice they’re each at fault for). So while it’s nice that they are humbled a little from these, it only opens up the possibility of romance—it does not prove compatibility.
So, no, I don’t think they’d work out either. Darcy may like continue liking Elizabeth for her lively ways and housewifery, having eased up a little, but Elizabeth would definitely be bored out of her mind with Darcy within a year or two. I don’t see him challenging her in a way she would like or even need. I can see Elizabeth’s tongue growing sharper and Darcy becoming colder and it’d be just a bad situation between them. In the end, if Elizabeth ended up still valuing Darcy, it would be just for his estate and her new rank.
Hey so I read your "What is a Romance" post and found it very informative so thank you lol. I was confused about one part tho:
Can a romance focus on a beta couple as well? Generally no. In American romance novels, authors do set up the couple for the next installment, but that is not quite the same as page time and development. Romances focus on one couple at a time—once that couple’s love story is done, writers can move on to another couple’s romance. Stories that have more than one couple tend to be something else entirely.
I wanted to know how this related to works like Much Ado About Nothing (Hero and Claudio) or Pride and Prejudice (Jane and Bingley) (though I suppose that last one is a marriage plot so it might not count anyway).. Isn't Much Ado About Nothing a romance that focuses on more then one couple?
I also wanted to know this because I'm working on a romance novel and there was a side couple that i wanted to give attention to.
…I’ve been waiting for someone to ask this question, ha. Knowing all the while that I’d have to give my very unpopular opinion. Well, here it is (and thanks for in advance for being the one to bring it up!)
So no, I don’t categorize Much Ado About Nothing and Pride and Prejudice as romances, not so much because they have a beta couple, but because of their plots and thematic concerns. Much Ado is social comedy/satire and Pride and Prejudice is a wedding plot. Let me explain.
Much Ado About Nothing
Ah, Much Ado. I know people adore Beatrice/Benedick (ditto, they’re great) and feel very uncomfortable with Hero/Claudio (with good reasons). But ultimately neither of these couples constitute a true romance. Their love in the play function as social satire/commentary on the battle of the sexes. Beatrice and Benedick’s respective sexism (Beatrice’s scorn for men and Benedick’s sexism toward women) make them refuse to entertain marriage/romance and shield their obvious attraction for each other. Ultimately, though, their sexism stems not from ideology, but from personal hurt feelings and/or insecurity, so the moment they hear that the other likes them, then they are eager to cast off their previous convictions. Shakespeare even hints that B&B had been a couple before, so their realization that they actually love each other is not really true romantic development. Claudio’s actual sexism, in the meantime, actually does lead him to reject Hero. Though framed as romance plots, these two strands are part of the satiric commentary on sexism and misogyny.
Pride and Prejudice
So yeah, Pride and Prejudice is almost purely a marriage plot. Austen sets up the stakes very early and very clearly: The Bennett sisters must marry or else their estate is entailed to their cousin. But wait! Elizabeth grows to love Darcy, right? She learns she was mistaken about him, right? Isn’t that romantic development?
Well, no. Romantic development would entail mutual attraction on both sides, foiled by obstacles. While Darcy is canonically attracted to Elizabeth, Elizabeth doesn’t even begin to catch feelings until after she realizes that Mr. Darcy was the victim in the Darcy-Wickham scandal and finding out he was the one who forced Wickham to marry Lydia. Oh, and seeing his beautiful estate Pemberley. 😑 Real romantic. Austen even lampshades this by having Elizabeth joke about it!
So yeah, that is not a romance between two people attracted to each other and struggling with their class hang-ups. This is story of a woman learning that this seemingly snobbish rich dude is actually not that bad once you get to know him and his £10,000 a year manor home.
Yes, Austen was obviously inspired by Shakespeare’s Beatrice and Benedick subplot when she wrote Pride and Prejudice. But while Shakespeare focuses on sexism as the obstacle between these lovers (and the mutuality of their attraction), Austen replaces the sexism with classism and class resentment that both characters need to overcome. All well and good, but there is no more mutuality; Mr. Darcy starts to give her 🥺 from the second he notices her fine eyes while Elizabeth flirts with Wickham and still thinks he is a rich asshole for over half the book. Her change of heart is genuine and humbling, but it does not follow that she should start liking Mr. Darcy romantically. She actually doesn’t until at least the Lydia affair.
The fact that Austen gave little consideration to romantic development (there are few if no courtship scenes between the two) leads me to conceive P&P as more of a marriage plot than a romance one. That is the true goal here, not the love. It is merely enough that Mr. Darcy is established as truly a worthy man to marry. Hence, a marriage plot.
(As for Jane/Bingley, it basically functions as 1) a softer iteration of the classism theme and 2) an obstacle to Elizabeth/Darcy. Again, a marriage plot, and not a romance either.)
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Hey so I read your "What is a Romance" post and found it very informative so thank you lol. I was confused about one part tho:
Can a romance focus on a beta couple as well? Generally no. In American romance novels, authors do set up the couple for the next installment, but that is not quite the same as page time and development. Romances focus on one couple at a time—once that couple’s love story is done, writers can move on to another couple’s romance. Stories that have more than one couple tend to be something else entirely.
I wanted to know how this related to works like Much Ado About Nothing (Hero and Claudio) or Pride and Prejudice (Jane and Bingley) (though I suppose that last one is a marriage plot so it might not count anyway).. Isn't Much Ado About Nothing a romance that focuses on more then one couple?
I also wanted to know this because I'm working on a romance novel and there was a side couple that i wanted to give attention to.
…I’ve been waiting for someone to ask this question, ha. Knowing all the while that I’d have to give my very unpopular opinion. Well, here it is (and thanks for in advance for being the one to bring it up!)
So no, I don’t categorize Much Ado About Nothing and Pride and Prejudice as romances, not so much because they have a beta couple, but because of their plots and thematic concerns. Much Ado is social comedy/satire and Pride and Prejudice is a wedding plot. Let me explain.
Much Ado About Nothing
Ah, Much Ado. I know people adore Beatrice/Benedick (ditto, they’re great) and feel very uncomfortable with Hero/Claudio (with good reasons). But ultimately neither of these couples constitute a true romance. Their love in the play function as social satire/commentary on the battle of the sexes. Beatrice and Benedick’s respective sexism (Beatrice’s scorn for men and Benedick’s sexism toward women) make them refuse to entertain marriage/romance and shield their obvious attraction for each other. Ultimately, though, their sexism stems not from ideology, but from personal hurt feelings and/or insecurity, so the moment they hear that the other likes them, then they are eager to cast off their previous convictions. Shakespeare even hints that B&B had been a couple before, so their realization that they actually love each other is not really true romantic development. Claudio’s actual sexism, in the meantime, actually does lead him to reject Hero. Though framed as romance plots, these two strands are part of the satiric commentary on sexism and misogyny.
Pride and Prejudice
So yeah, Pride and Prejudice is almost purely a marriage plot. Austen sets up the stakes very early and very clearly: The Bennett sisters must marry or else their estate is entailed to their cousin. But wait! Elizabeth grows to love Darcy, right? She learns she was mistaken about him, right? Isn’t that romantic development?
Well, no. Romantic development would entail mutual attraction on both sides, foiled by obstacles. While Darcy is canonically attracted to Elizabeth, Elizabeth doesn’t even begin to catch feelings until after she realizes that Mr. Darcy was the victim in the Darcy-Wickham scandal and finding out he was the one who forced Wickham to marry Lydia. Oh, and seeing his beautiful estate Pemberley. 😑 Real romantic. Austen even lampshades this by having Elizabeth joke about it!
So yeah, that is not a romance between two people attracted to each other and struggling with their class hang-ups. This is story of a woman learning that this seemingly snobbish rich dude is actually not that bad once you get to know him and his £10,000 a year manor home.
Yes, Austen was obviously inspired by Shakespeare’s Beatrice and Benedick subplot when she wrote Pride and Prejudice. But while Shakespeare focuses on sexism as the obstacle between these lovers (and the mutuality of their attraction), Austen replaces the sexism with classism and class resentment that both characters need to overcome. All well and good, but there is no more mutuality; Mr. Darcy starts to give her 🥺 from the second he notices her fine eyes while Elizabeth flirts with Wickham and still thinks he is a rich asshole for over half the book. Her change of heart is genuine and humbling, but it does not follow that she should start liking Mr. Darcy romantically. She actually doesn’t until at least the Lydia affair.
The fact that Austen gave little consideration to romantic development (there are few if no courtship scenes between the two) leads me to conceive P&P as more of a marriage plot than a romance one. That is the true goal here, not the love. It is merely enough that Mr. Darcy is established as truly a worthy man to marry. Hence, a marriage plot.
(As for Jane/Bingley, it basically functions as 1) a softer iteration of the classism theme and 2) an obstacle to Elizabeth/Darcy. Again, a marriage plot, and not a romance either.)
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Yeah, it’s not as if it’s titled “Romeo and Juliet” and Romeo and Juliet are the protagonists or something…it’s not as if they undergo significant character development or have any agency in pursuing their love…it’s not as if they have the best and most gorgeous lines of poetry in the whole play and even the most lines combined…it’s not as if the only way their tragedy is even possible is because of their uncompromising great love…it’s not as if Shakespeare literally defied his own source material that portrayed the lovers as selfish lusty fiends and gave the couple actual humanity and character…it’s not as if
romeo and juliets driving theme is not silly teenagers falling in love, it is the male cycle of violence and how children will always be it’s worst victims
and the sooner you guys realise that the better
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