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celticcrossanon · 9 hours
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Goodnight
I will chat to you later, hopefully tomorrow/later today but if not then on Friday (Thursday is Anzac Day so I will be out for the day).
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GEMSTONES!!!
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celticcrossanon · 9 hours
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I’m on a blog!
Lol thanks for answering and posting my silly read and for your feedback, much appreciated to talk tarot. I’m feeling very mike waszowski from misters inc. 😘😘😘
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Hi Veighouda,
No worries. Your reading was accurate to the meanings of the cards and not silly at all. I don’t get the reference to how you are feeling but I hope it is a good feeling. Feel free to talk tarot here any time. :)
Now that you have a blog, maybe you could post some readings of your own, if you want to, or little snippets about tarot, and make it a tarot haven for yourself. Just a thought. :)
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BRF Reading - 24th of April, 2024
This is speculation only
Cards drawn on the 24th of April, 2024
Question: Does King Charles want Prince William to reconcile with Harry, and if so, why?
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Interpretation: King Charles wants the arguments and tension between the brothers to stop because he can't cope with it (this is 'Don't make my last years a misery' territory).
Note: A lot of this reading is nothing new, but rather confirmation of what we already know or suspect.
Card One: The World
The World is a card of endings, of something coming to a successful conclusion. It usually involves looking back over what you have done and noting the successes and failures before you move on.
As an answer to my question, the energy from this card says yes, The King does want Prince William and Harry to reconcile. He wants the hurts/tensions/disagreements between them to be over, done with, finished, and for them to move on into a new relationship where they support each other or at least give the appearance of supporting each other.
As an answer to why, this card tells me that King Charles sees the failed relationship between the two brothers as a sign of failure on his part, and it is something he wants to fix before he 'moves on' to another plane of existence. I think that King Charles has been reviewing his life lately and he wants his last years to be with the illusion or reality of a happy, supportive family around him. I also think that he is quite upset that Prince William will not 'forgive and forget' to give him that illusion/reality.
Card Two: The Eight of Swords in reverse
The Eight of Swords is about being stressed mentally. You are in a situation and you can't see a way out. When it is reversed either the situation is a lot worse than the upright card, or you can finally see a way out of the situation.
I think both of these meanings are true here. When King Charles looks at the situation with his sons, he feels like the Eight of Swords in reverse - trapped, unable to do anything, almost victimised - and the situation is worse than he though it would be. This is giving him a lot of stress as he doesn't want his sons to be fighting.
He thinks he has a found a way out of the situation - his sons forgive and forget, make up, and he has no more stress. This completely ignores the hurt and the invasion of privacy that Harry has inflicted on his brother and his family, but for some reason The King is not taking that into consideration.
The energy of this card reminds me of when victims are told to forgive their abusers because otherwise they are bad people/they are holding onto anger/they are destroying themselves etc, and no one ever holds the abusers to account for what they did to the victim or says that the abusers should be the ones begging for forgiveness.
Card Three: The Five of Wands
This is a card of conflict, rivalry, competition, and arguments. The card shows Jason and Medea facing off against a green dragon that guards the golden fleece. I see Jason as Harry, Medea as Meghan, and the dragon as William, the Prince of Wales. The dragon is just doing its job, guarding a treasure that was given into its care (Prince William protecting his family and, in the wider sense, the monarchy), and Jason and Medea come along and try to kill it to gain its treasure (Harry saying horrible things about Prince William and his family because he is trying to wrest his brother's 'treasure' from him, said 'treasure' being his position as the heir). In the myth, Jason succeeds in killing the dragon with Medea's help, but I don't think that is going to happen here.
The conflict between Harry and Prince William is because Harry wants to be in Prince William's position - to be the heir. Harry is aided and abetted by Meghan in his actions. These actions involve everything he can think of that will 'kill' his brother, so he can take over his brother's role, including attacking his brother's family. This is not news, it is confirmation of something that we have seen for quite some time. This card is confirmation that there is conflict between the brothers, it is initiated by Harry and supported by his wife, it works through the media and PR (wands are PR), and that it will not stop until Harry has gained his 'treasure' - the position of The Prince of Wales, heir to the throne.
It is this situation and the vicious media articles that come from this conflict that is creating stress for King Charles and that he wants to end by having the brothers reconcile. I have to say here that given the gravity of the situation and the hurt that has been inflicted upon Prince William by his brother, I think that asking Prince William to forgive and forget and make up with Harry is a rather stupid idea. I can understand The King's desire to have an end to the conflict but I don't think reconciliation is the answer, or even possible. This competition is all one sided, from Harry, and shows no sign of ending until he is either defeated or he achieves his goal of being The Prince of Wales (and, eventually, King).
Card Four: The Two of Wands in reverse
The Two of Wands is a card about planning, making plans. When it is in the reverse, those plans are not happening. The energy of this card is of plans that The King has, and wants to carry through, that are now impossible to implement because of the rift between his two sons. As for what those plans are - the Two of Wands can be a card of leaving home. The picture on the card shows a red haired man, Jason, who for me symbolises Harry, standing outside the cave of Chiron, which for me represents the BRF. In the upright, Harry has left the BRF - he is outside the family. In the reverse, as we have here, this situation is undone and Harry is returned to his family. For me, this seems to indicate that King Charles has plans to return Harry to the bosom of the BRF and that those plans are impossible to implement while there is antagonism between Harry and Prince William.
Card Five: The Ten of Cups in reverse.
The Ten of Cups is the happy family card, the card of emotional contentment. This can be a real state or, occasionally, it can be an illusion - looking at something through rose coloured glasses.
In the reverse, this state of a happy family, real or illusionary, is not happening. There is no harmony in the family, and instead the family is full of conflict. This is the reality that for whatever reason The King is refusing to face. He is trying to create this illusion/reality of a happy family and he is not facing the fact that the actions of his younger son have irrevocably shattered that happy family image and it can not be brought back.
This card tell me that the reconciliation that the King wants will not happen. The family will not be reunited and the the conflicts and competition of the Five of Wands card will continue.
This card shows a wedding on Mount Olympus, the home of the gods, which represents a royal wedding. The energy from the reversed card is almost as if King Charles does not want to admit that Harry and Meghan's royal wedding was a mistake? He doesn't want to see his son in a broken marriage or admit that his son has a broken marriage? I can't quite make the energy out - maybe sympathy for Harry in his marriage? Or The King thinks that if Harry is separated from Meghan, then everything will go back to being OK between him and Meghan (the Five of Wands tells me this is not the case and that at this point in time Harry will continue his one sided competition with his brother with or without his wife).
If Harry and Meghan do separate, then I feel that King Charles will blame everything on Meghan and say everything is her fault, and that is not what happened.
Underlying Energy: The Hanged Man
The Hanged Man is a card of inaction, of contemplation, of seeing things from a new perspective, which fits in with the energy of The World card of King Charles reviewing his life. It is also the card of sacrifice, of having to make a sacrifice or be a sacrifice, which for me resonates with his wish that his son 'sacrifice' (ignore) his hurt and the effects of his brother's attacks on his family, and make up with his brother who is continually attacking him. Finally, the Hanged Man is the card for Neptune, the planet of illusion and delusion (among other things), which tells me that The King's wish for reconciliation between his sons is an illusion that is not happening.
The Hanged Man is a card of inaction, and that is The King's position here. He can not take action and force his sons to reconcile, instead he should sit back and let them play this out between themselves instead of trying to force them together in the name of brotherly love. The Hanged Man's inaction sometimes brings a new perspective on things. It might be time for King Charles to find a different way of looking at the situation between his sons and how he would like that to be resolved.
Conclusion:
The King does want his sons to reconcile. His sons' fighting is causing him a great deal of stress and anxiety. Having them reconcile would remove that stress. He appears to have been thinking over his life and he seems to feel that the actions of his sons reflect on him and are a failure on his part. Removing the conflict would fix that failure, remove the stress that is caused by Harry's actions, and bring the conclusion that he appears to want - a happy family.
Unfortunately, Harry is attacking Prince William with a set goal in mind - to steal his brother's treasure/become The Prince of Wales - and he is unlikely to stop until this goal is achieved. The competition is all one sided, it stems from Harry and Harry alone, and for this reason it is unlikely to stop until Harry lets go of his need to be better than his brother (which in my opinion will only happen after a lot of reputable therapy, if at all). Until Harry changes, the King's wishes for a reconciliation and a happy family are going to remain a rose coloured illusion.
The King has plans that he wants to implement, plans that appear to involve having Harry returned to his family, and these plans can not be implemented with the situation between the brothers as it is. This is another reason he wants his sons to reconcile - so he can move forward with those plans.
The message from the cards is for King Charles to spend more time thinking about this situation so that he can see it from a different perspective and stop pressuring one son to sacrifice himself, his principles, and his family, for the sake of his rose coloured illusion of a peaceful life surrounded by a happy family.
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celticcrossanon · 11 hours
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mini reading tarot Catherine 20 april 2024
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we begin with the map of the community the reflection and the path to the temple: I conclude that its team (doctor, PR…) is thinking about the gradual return of Catherine. William is against it, there is something where William is hostile!! Catherine is heartbroken because some associations are losing money, no longer access to abundance!! There's a storm brewing. Catherine feels limited in her movements when faced with several possibilities to achieve balance!!
There is a king of sticks (perhaps Charles) who is finally advancing in his 3rd stick, he hopes for a revival, and that his wish will be granted. Which will require us to clarify Wales' position?! Charles hopes to come even if it won't totally look like a complete victory!! We see disagreements in a couple, more instability!! we are looking for a viable solution, we hope for help or to have something?!
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celticcrossanon · 11 hours
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mini reading tarot meghan markle 20 april 2024
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so, there are masks currently, Meghan has the impression that her past or her future is hindered, she must wear a mask that everything is fine, that there is a lot of abundance. When in reality abundance is always in bloom. We cling to the community and power it (the royal family) indirectly. She appreciated the little interest it offered her. She has a lot of desire to make a lot of money and finally transform herself and herself financially.
are we trying to find a financial arrangement with a king? Is there a compromise with justice? we try to balance our actions, our emotions to move forward and overcome our difficulties. Is there anything new related to the BRF or heritage or organization? what still brings financial imbalance? there is something happening in a financial and/or professional process. There is a king of swords who made a decision which leads to the rook then a 5 of swords, difficulty in several areas (netflix?)
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celticcrossanon · 13 hours
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Apr 18 read
Oops lol, 1st time commenter long time lurker lol, I sent this as an ask but my character count went low so I’ll submit thru here.
Thank you for coming back to your reads, h and m ignited a new passion in me for tarot reading and I eagerly await each new read on your blog daily. I really appreciate the work you put into them and how you actually show the cards as it allows me to learn too.
Amateur comment on the Apr 18th read, I read it as more petulant than calculated. I think that polo match was a big ego boost for Harry and the overall I get is that he made the us residency thing as a clap back almost “ see we’re happy (4wands) I’m not going anywhere (chariot reverse) or leave her (queen wands) we are getting offers (ace coins) and we are very passionate and happy about it (ace wands).”
I even wonder if Harry actually did change his residency, or if it was Meghan or Meghan’s manipulation/love bombing of him for this polo thing. She’s certainly high on her jam supply so I could see her lovebombing him back to her side.
Thanks for reading and for your readings I literally always have a tab open for your blog 😘
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Hi Veighouda,
Thank you very much for your kind words about my blog. ❤️
I just answered your last ask, so this answer follows on from that. :)
As I said before, each person reads the cards in their own way. As you know, you take the general meaning of the card and the energy of the card in the reading and together they give an interpretation. If that is what the cards said to you, then that is great. It fits the general meaning of the cards and I can see Harry putting his residence as the USA to clap back as his family, so your interpretation certainly fits with his behaviour. It is not the energy that I got from the cards at the time I did the reading, but maybe I was tuning in to another part of the energy flow around that question (that happens to me a lot - I get Part A, someone else gets Part B, a third person gets Part C etc and when they are put all together they give the big picture about what is going on). 
I don’t think Harry has changed his legal residency. I think he has just changed the country he outs down as his place of primary residence on a form. I doubt that he has applied to be a permanent resident of the USA or anything like that (I could be wrong; I just don’t see him giving up his UK links just yet). 
I have no doubt that Meghan lovebombs Harry whenever she wants something from him and also just as part of her cycle of behaviour towards him (cold - lovebomb - cold - lovebomb) to keep him confused and malleable.
You are welcome for the readings. ❤️
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celticcrossanon · 13 hours
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Hi love you readings, I really appreciate all the work you put into them, especially noting the cards and showing pictures of them. I got into reading tarot because of h and m and it’s now a passion of mine. I eagerly refresh your blog daily in hopes of a read. Comment on the Apr 18th read from an amateur, to me I read it as more petulant, I think their polo thing recently was a boost to his ego and was more a declaration of their happiness + succces, chariot in rev= I’m not leaving her qwands
Hi Veighouda,
Thank you for the kind words. :)
You could read the cards like that, definitely. It wasn't the energy that I felt from them, hence my interpretation, but if that is what they say to you then go for it. :)
The Chariot in reverse usually has the sense of being stuck in a situation in some way (Chariot upright - progress forwards, Chariot in reverse = no progress, stuck) and you could definitely read that as Harry being stuck with Meghan (for whatever reason). As I said, that is not the energy I felt from the cards, but everyone reads them in their own way.
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celticcrossanon · 13 hours
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Karma has a sense of humor, Celta. :) Daily Mail reports that Meghan's strawberry jam on her new website has instead boosted sales of King Charles's strawberry jam sold from Highgrove (where the proceeds go to charity). Doubt Meghan was expecting that, lol!
Hi Nonny,
That news made me laugh out loud. I am very glad that happened and as you said, I doubt Meghan was expecting it.
Another thing that amuses me is the .uk url of her website being bought by someone else (presumably) and set up to redirect to a fundraiser for the Trussell Food Bank. The irony of that appeals to my sense of humour.
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celticcrossanon · 13 hours
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Amusing conflicting tea, Celta. Someone has a friend who works at Vogue magazine who told them that they heard the Harkles will attend the Met Gala this year in May. Another person has a Hollywood source (albeit not working at Vogue) and left a comment on that rumor thread saying nope, the Harkles will not be invited to the Met Gala this year. We'll see what occurs!
Hi Nonny,
We will see what happens. :)
I doubt that Meghan will be at the Met Gala, simply because if she couldn't pull it off when she was new from Megixt with the royal gloss still mostly intact, I very much doubt that she can do so now when the gloss has well and truly worn off. In addition, with the Gala on May 6th, if she was invited I would have expected to have heard about it daily for at least a month by now. Anyway, as you said, we shall see. I'm not holding my breath though. :)
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celticcrossanon · 13 hours
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Celta, you're right H&M have a toxic marriage. Netflix film crews/H&M household staff gossip say H&M "have fights all the time where she prostrates herself on the floor asking Harry why he is purposefully ruining her life. He breaks down crying saying shit like "I'm not good enough for you now am I? Please don't leave me!" Then she love bombs him back in, hey fight, rinse and repeat ad nauseum." If H really is begging M not to leave him, then it doesn't seem H is ready to divorce M yet, IMO.
Hi Nonny,
I haven't seen that gossip before. Would you mind telling me where you saw this?
A lot of people think their relationship is toxic. It isn't good for either one of them imo.
If the gossip is true, then that sort of emotional manipulation is revolting.
I go back and forth on the divorce - sometimes it looks and feels as if the news will break tomorrow, and sometimes it feels as if they have decided to stay together for whatever reason. I suspect that both of them may be staying together until something better comes along (and not just Meghan) as neither want to divorce and be single.
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celticcrossanon · 13 hours
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The best thing Charles can and should do is leave some money and a small crown estate as an inheritance for Harry instead of trying to manifest repaired relations between Harry and William and Catherine... which I think is never going to happen at this point. Once trust is gone, that's it. A tarot reading suggestion: why does Charles want the relationship between Harry, William and Catherine to be repaired? Charles seems really insistent on this... maybe for some reason we haven't thought of.
Hi Nonny,
That is a very good idea for a tarot reading. I will add it to my To Do list.
I agree that once trust is gone, it is gone. It takes a lot of effort and good will on both sides to rebuild the relationship, and I can't see that happening here.
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celticcrossanon · 4 days
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Back Monday
I haven't vanished, but things are a bit busier than I expected around here right now.
Chat then. :)
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celticcrossanon · 6 days
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Goodnight
Early bed for me again. Chat later :)
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celticcrossanon · 6 days
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BRF Reading - 18th of April, 2023
This is speculation only
Cards drawn on the 18th of April, 2023
Question: Why did Harry change his primary place of residence at Companies House(for Travalyst) from the UK to the USA?
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Interpretation: To Keep himself safe and to stop something that Prince William is doing.
Card One: The Four of Wands
The Four of Wands is a card about home, and Harry has just declared that his 'home'/primary place of residence is the USA and not the UK.
This card is also about community, belonging, stability, being supported, and feeling safe, as home is usually the place where you feel safe.
The energy from this card is that Harry feels that he has made himself safe by making this declaration. It seems to be that by doing this Harry thinks he is no longer subject to his father as he no longer lives in the UK, and therefore he can't be forced to face the consequences of any actions of his that affect the UK/the monarchy. There is a sense of smugness about it, a "Ha ha I have fooled you" energy (fooled as in escaped the consequences of my actions), and a definite sense of safety, a 'they can't touch me now' energy. I don't know if this is in response to a real threat or part of Harry's paranoia, but there is a definite sense of having created a place of security/safety for himself with this declaration.
Card Two: The Chariot in reverse.
The Chariot is a card of moving ahead, directly towards your goal. In the reverse it tells me that Harry is stuck. He can't move towards his goals, nothing is going his way, and all his plans are grinding to a halt. The Chariot in reverse can be a card of aggression and a lack of self control, so it would not surprise me if Harry was acting out violently in his frustration with things not going his way (i.e. the way he imagined they would in his head).
The Chariot is the card of Cancer, and the two Cancers in the family are Queen Camilla and Prince William. This card is giving me Prince William energy. Prince William is doing something behind the scenes that Harry does not like and Harry wants to stop him. The card in reverse represents this desire to stop Prince William, to bring him to a halt so he can't continue with what he is doing. For some reason, Harry thinks that changing his primary place of residence to the USA will stop Prince William from continuing with whatever he is doing. I just heard the words "putting a spoke in his wheels'. That is what Harry thinks he has done.
Card Three: The Queen of Wands.
The Queen of Wands is a fire sign person, particularly an Aries. It can represent Meghan, but I'm not getting a lot of Meghan energy from it. The Aries in the BRF is Princess Eugenie, and that resonates more with this card. Princess Eugenie or another Aries person is involved in this or has been involved in this in the past somehow.
Card Four: The Lovers
The Lovers is a chard of relationships and about choices in relationships. It is about all relationships - usually romantic, but it can be business or family relationships as well.
The energy of this card is very strongly about choices. A choice was made, either Harry and Meghan as partners together made a choice, or a choice was made between Harry and Princess Eugenie, or both, or with some other Aries person who is involved, but somehow a choice was made, and it was a big choice, a significant choice. That choice has led to Harry's choice now to declare his primary place of residence as the USA. I am getting a sense that Harry is covering something up, that he is hiding his original choice - or trying to hide it - by making the later choice about his country of residence. That is simply a feeling and I could be wrong.
Card Five: The Ace of Pentacles
Aces are new opportunities. They can also be children. The choice mentioned above was made to give or create more financial opportunities or more status for Harry and/or Meghan - Meghan's energy is coming through stronger than Harry's here, so looks like the choice would boost her status and/or give her more money, and Harry would benefit as well.
If I follow the children energy, this choice was about an earth sign child.
Combining the last three cards, a significant choice was made by Meghan and Harry as partners or by Harry, but I feel that it was by the pair of them as partners/lovers, that involved an Aries person in some way, possibly Princess Eugenie, and that choice either concerned an earth sign child and/or was meant to primarily raise Meghan's status/get more money for Meghan, and do the same for Harry as a follow-on effect.
Underlying Energy: The Ace of Wands
Aces are new opportunities, and the Ace of Wands is a new project or a new creative endeavour. This is also a very phallic and very sexual card, and as such it can stand for fatherhood, representing the sperm that creates a child. Aces can be children, so this would be a fire sign child.
So the energy underlying this question, the energy that relates to a choice that was made and that now is prompting Harry to try and make himself safe from the consequences of his actions, is either the energy of a creative project and /or a phallic, sexual energy and/or a fire sign child.
Dominant Suite: Half of this reading is the suit of Wands - energy, fire, passion, creativity, new projects.
Conclusion:
Some time ago, Harry and Meghan made a choice. This choice came out of their partnership and most likely involved an Aries in some way (possibly Princess Eugenie). It was a choice designed to raise the status of Harry and Meghan, particularly Meghan, and a choice that they thought would bring them more money.
Harry changed his place of residence to feel safe about this choice. He seems to think that if he does not live in the UK them he can not be held accountable for his actions by the UK/his father. He also made the change to stop his brother, Prince William, who is doing something behind the scenes that worries Harry very much.
There is also a sense that Harry is stuck. His plans are not working and he is very frustrated by this. One of the reasons his plans are not working out appears to be that when he was imagining the result of the plans, he had people behaving in a certain way in his head, and in real life the people are not reacting/responding the way Harry imagined they would,
Underneath all this, and quite possibly the reason for the first, significant choice, is a creative energy that can be channelled into a new project or can manifest as a sexual, phallic energy, in particular the sperm that creates a child. The sexual energy of this card is highlighted by the fact that it sits under the Queen of Wands, a female energy of the same suit, while it represents the creative, phallic, sexual male energy of that suit.
A fire sign child and/or an earth sign child may be either involved in this choice or the result of this choice.
Note: The strongest energy of this reading was the need to feel safe and the belief that this action of declaring a new residence has created safety for Harry. The next strongest energies were the desire to stop Prince William and a belief that changing his country of primary residence would do so, the phallic energy of the Ace of Wands, and the energy of choice around the Lovers card. They stood out as the four dominant energies of the reading.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that if the Queen of Wands, the Aries person, is Princess Eugenie, then the energy was that she had told the King everything she knows about what Meghan and Harry did. I didn't pull clarifiers, so this is not confirmed, but that was in the energy I was picking up from the card - the Aries person/Princess Eugenie turning on the Harkles to save their own skin/position.
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celticcrossanon · 6 days
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tarot reading on BRF 15 april
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with the oracle of energies: we have something which is hidden but which is in the process of healing!! their health is currently improving for some people! A little more patience, there is a reflection on how to interact with the community, we are looking at several possibilities here.
There is still an announcement here (bad news), we don't like it because it takes away from the world and current change.
tarot: there is something that comes back and cancels certain plans, a reduction in our body. Lots of hope and lots of doubt here.
A Queen of Swords will stay isolated and inform something. Another certain imbalance for a king of swords.
We are trying to find a solution to avoid putting too much light on absence and loneliness.
Many people work hard to come back to the forefront and be able to move forward and have a happy ending.
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I am no fan of Harry but he’ll never lose any titles. He and his children (I believe they do exist) are equal to Andrew and his daughters. even if he had committed an act of treason it’ll be buried by the palace (David colluding with hitler to get the throne back)
I also believe that the palace had asked him to relinquish his princely title but he said no because he’s an entitled brat because he does believe it’s his birthright.
Not even William who everyone is hoping when his day comes to be king will pull any titles from his brother.
As times goes by the will become less and less relevant (i.e Andrew) and will be written about less and less unless a scandal breaks involving him or his children. The children with age will find the princely titles are worthless unless they stand next to the king (i.e Bea and Eugene) and all signs now are there is no reconciliation whatsoever between Harry and William.
Harry will never apologize because he believes he did no wrong. And William will protect what is his families heritage. As did Bertie and Elizabeth with David.
Unfortunately the world is neither fair nor just.
Hi Nonny,
I agree that this world is neither just nor fair. All we can do is make sure we are as just and as fair as possible, and call out injustice and unfairness when we see it if we can do so safely.
I also think, like you, that Harry and his family will become less and less relevant over time. He and his wife are pretty irrelevant now, as they are not working royals, and they will only become more so as time goes on.
I would hope that the palace would not bury any acts of treason, as that will come back and bite them when they least expect it. I am willing to wait for a bit longer and see what happens with that one.
I have no idea what is happening with the titles. I don't even know what I want about them anymore.
My big concern at the moment is the children. If they were born by surrogate than that is breaking the law and should be exposed and punished. I am not in favour of covering up acts like that.
I saw that there was a recent article about surrogacy that was linked to the royals, as per the post below. It may be the first drip-drip of a lead up to an exposure, or it may be the lead up to Harry being excused for his actions., or it may just be clickbait. I am hoping for the first option, but who knows?
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