belatedintp

[belatedintp]

... Just for once I'd like to see an ESFJ analysis that talks about any of the other numerous things we do that don't involve being manipulative or the ridiculously material "looks sophisticated at dinner parties"??? What even was that...? We do more than host dinner parties and baby our friends, and we certainly all don't sit in front of the window gossiping about our neighbors. (2/2)

First, I apologize for any inaccuracies or hurt feelings. I don't think I said that all ESFJ types were manipulative although some definitely are. My experiences with ESFJ thus far has not been pleasant and may have tainted my views on the ESFJ. I accept that. I think I even mentioned that in the original post and asked for healthy ESFJ to contact me so I can learn how you all behave when you're psychologically balanced.I also never said Fe should stay away, merely that I prefer them at arm's length because I get sucked into the world of ESFJs I encounter, think they're awesome at first, then get severely disappointed. I don't hate ESFJs, but for our sakes (both the ESFJ and me), it's better if we maintain a certain healthy distance. Now the thing about sophistication. That's something that I've observed from the ESFJs who I've encountered in life. They have a certain way of carrying themselves which is very appropriate in all social settings I encounter them in. That's all that meant. This can also appear as "playing the part as host at dinner parties." Whether it's work, party, wherever, they know what to do, how to look, how to behave. I notice because I severely lack in this department, and it's fundamentally different than how I deal with the world. If I was just as sophisticated and fit in, would I be making such comments?I don't think any ESFJs gossip in front of the porch anymore; isn't it more churches, grocery stores, or via texting? 😜 (sorry, couldn't resist).Anyway, I'm sure you do lots of things for your community and loved ones, which... ESFJ types can do. ... This was a complaint, right? You're not asking me for something? Because I wouldn't know.

[belatedintp]

I gotta say, your "in depth analysis" of the ESFJ is the same cursory "analysis" that every mbti blog on tumblr says; "ESFJs are manipulative and I don't understand them!" Which is such a blanket statement is so untrue. And I might have let it go if you hadn't incorporated your own personal feelings about "Fe can stay far away from me" which is just what everyone says and... Maybe this is too hostile but as an ESFJ, misrepresented constantly online, its exasperating... (1/2)

I'll answer in the next one.

[belatedintp]

😮 it's happening!!

NASA scientists have reported that they’ve successfully tested an engine called the electromagnetic propulsion drive, or the EM Drive, in a vacuum that replicates space. The EM Drive experimental system could take humans to Mars in just 70 days without the need for rocket fuel, and it’s no exaggeration to say that this could change everything.

But before we get too excited (who are we kidding, we’re already freaking out), it’s important to note that these results haven’t been replicated or verified by peer review, so there’s a chance there’s been some kind of error. But so far, despite a thorough attempt to poke holes in the results, the engine seems to hold up.

Continue Reading.

[belatedintp]

When did this happen?! Now I feel... guilty... I know I've not been on here as often, although I should finish up my in depth analysis of the types (ENTP and INTP are next, and I initially thought they would be easier). Thank you all so much. You've reminded me once more that I have people who I am accountable to, in terms of what I need to write, and who may be reading. Thank you all!!

#OMG #over 900 #nearly 1000 #thank you #thank you! #MBTI #intp

[belatedintp]

I'm more concerned with how much other people care about my actions instead of how much I care. Because I often don't care. Is that common for INTPs, due to low Fe? Something that happens a lot is that a person trips me and I lie and say that I just slipped on my own, not for the sake of lying but because I don't want to bother with the attention and caring of everyone else when I don't care.

I don't know if that is an INTP thing, except the lack of attention seeking behavior as well as the conflict avoidance which does tend to correlate with your inferior Fe.However, I'd still suggest that you speak up and tell the truth (Ti) when someone does trip you, so that you don't have to deal with that again. You have the right not to be tripped, and you have the right not to deal with that.

[belatedintp]

this is kind of funny... intp asks for an advice to look for romantic relationship and here i am, infp girl (straight if that matters) hopelessly in love with intp from my class and scared to make a move. life is so complicated :P

Eh, uh… Well, … *pats on back*

Wait, was this a question?

[belatedintp]

I’m an INFP disguised as an INTP, and I know I can’t be the only one. We are the ones who got beaten down and finally decided to stop letting ourselves get too passionate about the things that actually matter to us. So the first time I took the test I came out as INTP but then I realized that I wasn’t really that detached deep down so I took it again and found that I am an INFP. I’ve read articles about how when INFPs feel too attacked or stressed they can detach and draw up a shield that can make them look INTP. I’m trying to get better at letting myself feel and be real, but I still struggle with taking down the barricades of logic that I used to protect myself. It’s not that I had a horrible life or any of that; I became this way because my anxiety and emotions became too much. So I guess I just wanted to say that being an INFP is incredibly difficult and I really admire all of us as I am working to let myself feel as well.

Anonymous (via infp-quotes)

There are so many levels of wrong here... *brain implodes*

And by the way, you can't disguise as INTP. We don't think using the same processes. Ugh. You know why you can't disguise as INTP? For one thing, INTPs know how ridiculous this entire thing is.

#triggered #INFP #INTP #so wrong #incorrect

[belatedintp]

Yo, as an INTP, and someone who is not new, but rather, inexperienced, with the M-B stuff do you have any suggestions for an INTP looking for a romantic relationship? I'm a straight guy if that matters at all??? (Also love your blog but that's unrelated)

I don’t know how specific you want the answer to be, and I don’t have much details, so I’ll try to explain it as broadly as possible. I have no background on your romantic history, so I am afraid my advice is more generalized than specific.

INTP is to some extent, disadvantaged in the area of love. This is primarily due to the dominant function Ti (introverted thinking), which likes to look at the core factor in the data set and pinpoint errors, solutions, etc. It naturally likes to cull out data that may be emotionally tinted, biased, motivated to achieve what is the most “objective” rule.

This is opposed to the inferior function Fe (extroverted feeling), which focuses on the emotional connections of people. Unlike Ti which tries to arrive at “what it is,” Fe looks at “How it affects.” So Fe will take into account emotional data, human relationships, and feelings. Naturally, Fe users tend to fare better in the area of romance because they’re better adapted to pick up on the emotions and emotional behaviors of people.

NOW... 

It’s not all lost on the INTP. INTP does prefer Fe (extroverted feeling) in the inferior function slot, and can be reached to obtain relationships with others. You can do so using Ne (extroverted intuition) through experimenting, new experiences, data gathering, and repetition of the successful & gathering of data (introverted sensing/Si). Ne will allow INTP to pick up data on another person, and Si will then store that data for later use.

So... you’re not going to like my answer. Ne needs a lot of input from others. That means well, being uncomfortable. Chatting up ladies, going out of your comfort bubble to socialize with men and women, observing the successful from the unsuccessful; working on your hygiene, figuring out styles that work for you, and exploring. However, if you’re truly an INTP (and probably one in development), this will all feel daunting. So...

You can start small, by going to small social gatherings in your area, trying new places to eat or hang out, and slowly exploring parts of the town. Meeting new people, trying out new scenarios. Figure out what kind of clothing people wear. Find out what their interests are; where the hottest girls go. What is the pattern of human social interaction? movement? Pick up a new hobby (and not one that confines you to your room or to people of your gender; one that involves a social element).

You will eventually be able to troubleshoot where you’re lacking in the romantic department as you work on your issues one by one. And by then, you’ll have someone.

I hope this is helpful. Fe is your aspiring function, so hope isn’t lost! Just be aware that whatever you feel, you show maybe a thousandth of that to others. So learn to show a little more of how you actually feel, slowly, of course.

Good luck.

[belatedintp]

Types in Depth #6: INFP

The long-awaited post on the "special snowflakes," INFP. Believe it or not, most INFJs hate the term "snowflake." Did you know? I know INFPs aren't snowflakes either (technically, there are only 25 different combinations of snowflakes, and INFPs outnumber variety of snowflakes hugely in number and proportion).  So it would be inaccurate to say INFPs or any type are snowflakes. But setting my Ti aside…

I apologize for much of the delay in producing the post for the INFP. As INTP, Fi, which is the INFP's dominant function, is one of the most difficult function for me to adequately comprehend. Under most MBTI/Jungian Function theory, Fi and Ti simply cannot work together within the same consciousness. Thus, I sought out as many INFPs as possible, in order to make this as accurate as possible. That being said, I know the individualistic nature of the Fi will have some INFPs thinking, "this doesn't seem to describe me at all!" I want to EMPHASIZE, that I merely try to explain how one may PROCESS the information their brain receives (cognition), and not how they may REACT to the situation (aka behavior), which are two different things.

Also, I finally got some free time out of my professional life and am typing this up on my International Trip (United Airlines Wi-Fi sucks though).

Before I start, here's the most BASIC test in determining whether you are a Fi user or not. When you read a description of INFP/ISFP, is the first thought that comes to your mind, "That's not how I am/I'm not like that/That's not me." ? Congratulations, you're likely a Fi user. This is where a lot of the confusion happens for many of the INFP types, who think they're INFJ. Dichotomies confuse; functions clarify. Let us all embrace the function stack.

Anyway, without much further-ado, let's delve into this complex type that… is both a joy to observe and a point of frustration for most Ti users. 

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According to CAPT.org, about 4-5% of the population is the INFP. About 4-7% of the total female population is INFP, while about 3-5% of the male population is INFP.

The INFP is at first and foremost, a subjective feeler. However, even that is to some extent, misleading of terminology. Fi does for feelings, what Ti does for logic and facts. It goes inside of oneself and ask the question, "is this indeed what one is feeling? How did one get to feel that way? Is that feeling authentic to the situation, or is this person potentially faking the feeling for sympathy/manipulation/etc?" With this comes a nuanced understanding of feelings, and one that can splice and dice emotional data into its core, like the Ti user does for logic and facts. In that aspect, the INFP and the INTP can feel similar, although at the end of the day, the data and the actual cognitive tools they work with differ hugely, and that is what sets these two types apart.

A healthy INFP processes information in this cognitive function order: Fi>Ne>Si>Te. INFP can be prone to Fi-Si loops (similar to the Ti-Si loop in the INTP due to their introversion dominance), and at their worst, fall into the Te grip.

Let's examine the INFP's cognition patterns.

INFP experiences and processes everything through their dominant lens first: Fi. Fi is short for introverted feeling. It is highly individualistic, and allows the individual to feel in depth what extraverted feelers will feel in breadth. With this, comes a level of expertise in the area of feeling. If Fe user knows how to react to every emotional situation accurately due to their understanding of the objective nature of emotions, Fi user will look at each emotional data, and carefully cull that data, making sure to dot the I's and cross the t's, and innately understand the motivation and root of that emotion. Unfortunately, just as the subjective nature of Ti makes it difficult for broad application, so is Fi's subjective nature; Fi users are notorious for needing time to process their emotions.

In the words of Twitter user @YetAnotherINFP, INFP thought process works like this: 

"I'd say what my mind spends most of its time doing is really trying to understand human motivations, emotions, desires, how those are all linked to behavior, really trying to get to and understand the emotional core of a person. And then that sort of all forms in a database in my mind, and with that database I start to notice patterns and typical behaviours and manifestations of emotions, etc. Eventually it brings a lot more clarity. But a lot of my understanding of other people comes through my understanding of myself, so while I'm building this database of emotions, I guess I'm probably also making a lot of value judgments at the same time, because I'm understanding and uncovering my own desires and motivations while trying to learn about other people's. Which is probably where the morals come into it as well."

Fi works in tandem with Ne to form accurate perception of emotions, and furthermore, with the help of tertiary Si, creates a huge database on human emotions and motivations and the "WHY," which can explain why sometimes INFP is even empathetic to what most people would consider heinous or worthless (say… feelings of serial killers or psychopaths). INFP, like the INTP as a result, may look as if they aren't typically too interested in actualizing their knowledge in the real world (inferior Te), and are generally perfectly happy acting as analysts of human emotion (especially of their own). The area of their utmost control is themselves first, and the world maybe next.

When the INFP consciously develops their Ne, the INFP truly begins to shine. As an auxiliary function of the iNFP, it is the balancing function, and forces the INFP to look outside of himself/herself/themselves and gain perspective. Typically, the INFP with an unbalanced Ne can seem too sensitive, primarily because they're so intensely focused on their own feelings and the special/subjective aspect of those feelings, that they fail to see how others have similar feelings, motivations, and emotions. By forcing the INFP to see patterns of feelings in others, Ne balances the INFP and allows development, and allows the INFP to find those who may share INFP's interests and motivations to an extent, allowing the INFP to feel a connection to mankind, and therefore allow INFP to gain access to the nearly unconscious and repressed Te (extraverted thinking), a function that allows INFP to execute Fi desire and achieve results in the real world.

That's the ideal INFP anyway. So what happens when they're not balanced, i.e., via Fi-Si loops and Te Grip?

Fi-Si Loop

This is an internal feedback loop between the dominant function Fi and tertiary Si. As explained with other types, it occurs in individuals who do not adequately take in enough outside information, instead, only choosing to stick with what they know. This is different from extraverted loops such as that of the ENFP, as it is directed inwards.

In the INFP, when the Fi does not have enough input from Ne due to fear, stress, or unwillingness by the INFP to extravert, the INFP goes to Si (introverted sensing), the tertiary function to obtain data. However, as is true in all types using Ne (ENFP, INFP, ENTP, INTP), Si is not a strong function. Si in SJs is a grounding function that calms them down and helps them get a grip on reality. Extensive Si in NPs causes them to be stubborn, withdrawn, and fearful. Same thing happens to the INFP; without enough Ne data, INFP tries to ground the self in what is tried and true, which tends to limit the INFP generally to the emotional data of very few people (if anyone else) other than the self. Thus INFP becomes super-sensitive to one's own feelings but no one else's. This can be problematic as just like all other types, INFP is human, and a social animal. But an INFP in Fi-Si loop is unbearable to the self, and unbearable to others. This prevents the INFP from obtaining important information about humans and their feelings, and can cause them to feel depressed (along with all sort of problems).

But most importantly, this can cause the INFP to shut down the top three functions and enter into a grip state, where they no longer are themselves.

Te Grip

In the ESTJ and ENTJ, Te is the strongest function. ENTJ and ESTJ can apply Te to almost all life situations and achieve what they want, which is execution of their Fi desires through Ni (introverted intuition) or Si (introverted sensing). They are naturally accepting of objective facts and data, and work with these to create or maintain macro-scale workable systems.

Te in INFP is severely limited in its capacity. Because Fi is the dominant function in the INFP, Te naturally gets repressed. It's simple enough to understand; when the person is strongly focused on subjective emotional data of themselves, what works for "most" or "all" doesn't matter. What matters is how the self feels about each and every one of those things. But when focused at such granular level of individual, what works for one person often doesn't work for another. That's why Fi at higher level represses Te and vice versa. However, they're both a balancing function nonetheless; one cannot have Fi without Te, and one cannot have Te without Fi. So the desire for Te is always in existence for all INFPs.

So when the INFP forces access to Te directly, they find themselves in a grip. They decide to organize their lives in a "Te" manner, by planning and executing daily chores. They decide to wake up at the same time every day no matter what. They "organize" their lives like a Te user. At first, this will feel ecstatic to the INFP, who is normally not very good or interested in Te structuring of their lives. However, Te is restrictive in the INFP. Thus what eventually happens is that it will burn INFP out even more. Then the INFP will also become highly critical of those around them, thinking that everyone needs to shape up like them, and be productive, or being highly offended by every perceived error in individuals. Those who use Te effectively is likely to calculate the existence of human error when executing or implementing systems, and is more flexible with the use of Te naturally.

Eventually, the INFP will have to deal with a breakdown, as holding down the dominant function for so long takes tremendous amount of energy. After enough alone time, self reflection, and becoming aware of how one feels, the INFP will hopefully be able to come back to themselves, calmer and more aware of themselves and their tendencies.

It is much healthier and psychologically less draining to access the inferior function Te through the auxiliary function, as the orientation of the two functions are the same, and causes less imbalance in the psyche than trying to access the inferior function directly through the dominant.

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In fact, I think it applies to all types; your dominant function is the most flexible because it has to stretch and morph to help you deal with all aspects of life, with the support of your auxiliary function. It has the most experience, and therefore, it has the ability to handle most of your life's problems. However, it is not the only tool, and can be better by accessing the auxiliary function (which by the way, is going to be a lot less developed than most people think), and through limited use of the tertiary to maximize the use of the dominant and the auxiliary function, achieve the desires of the inferior function.

The INFP is unstoppable as the Fi makes them impossible to reason with, bargain with, or even bribe. The Ne in the INFP make them see multiple viewpoints and understand the one thing (Fi) that connects all humanity together (Te), which must be brought to light and implemented for the betterment of mankind (Te). It may be harder for INFP to create Te system like ENTJ/INTJ/ESTJ/ISTJ types, but the one that they do implement will have a profound impact on the rest of the world. INFP can do that. They just have to be willing to venture out of their own cocoon of feelings, and see what is beyond their own feelings (Ne).

As @YetAnotherINFP stated,

"Unfortunately, immature Fi turns a lot of people off Fi altogether. I'd say immature Fi might just reach the stage of making value judgments and not quite getting to the point where it's understanding motivations (behind both their own and other people's making value judgments and not quite getting to the point where it's understanding motivations (behind both their own and other people's behaviour), so they're in touch with their own values and feelings but don't understand why they value and feel those things and how people value other things."

Clarity of emotions, motivations, and desire of people and themselves. Firm understanding of mankind. It seems like such a great power to someone like me, an INTP, who struggles to unwind the giant mess that is emotions. However, for the INFP to truly shine and come to that place, they have to be willing, to accept that other people have just as intense emotions as them, and be willing to search for that. They'll surely do great things then.

#types in depth #INFP #Fi #Ne #Si #Te #Fi-Si loop #Te grip

[belatedintp]

INTP Troubleshooting #?

Ne: you all need to shut up and calm down.

Ti, Si: But no one understands us! They are all dumb! Why don't they see what we see?!

Ne: oh for... Come here, Ti. Si, you stay put!

Si: okay...

Ne: Look at X from this angle. Does that make sense to you? How about this information? How about that?

Ti: But I don't like "that" ...

Ne: Why not?

Ti: Because...

Fe: Because that made me feel pain last time! I'm not looking at that!

Ne: I knew you were behind this. Okay, Fe. It's okay to feel hurt. But you can't hide things from Ti because you think it'll hurt. Ti can handle it, okay? Just tell me next time.

Fe: okay... well, here. I've been keeping this... it's "that."

Ne: Thank you. Here, Ti! Your missing piece. *Throws that to Ti*

Ti: ... OMG! I was wrong! This changes everything! Everything makes sense!

Ne: You're freaking welcome, you drama queens...

PSA: don't neglect Ne.

#mbti #functions #intp #Ti #Ne #Si #Fe #ti si loop

[belatedintp]

That's interesting...

None of the ENTJs I come into contact with really do this. Those "dominant" ones are insecure and unstable, with very weak Ni-Fi.

I'm talking about well developed ENTJs. They're very romantic, direct, and foreseeing, which supports and can be supported well with equally well developed INTP.

ENTJ and INTP

So… I’ve been seeing a lot of evidence for ENTJs and INTPs successfully falling in love and maintaining that.

Is it because they have the same functions in the same order of preference but in the opposite orientation, therefore, somehow understand each other?

I’m going to start having to show up as INTP more in real life and see if I manage to capture me an ENTJ. 😂😂😂😂😂

[belatedintp]

ENTJ and INTP

So... I've been seeing a lot of evidence for ENTJs and INTPs successfully falling in love and maintaining that. Is it because they have the same functions in the same order of preference but in the opposite orientation, therefore, somehow understand each other? I'm going to start having to show up as INTP more in real life and see if I manage to capture me an ENTJ. 😂😂😂😂😂

#Jung #mbti #ENTJ #INTP

[belatedintp]

Lower Si Problems

1. Bump into many things. Constant bruising.

2. Forget many things of importance.

3. Forget hunger which then later triggers inferior Fe/Te problems.

4. Can’t tell coherent story alone because #details.

5. Forget what I was going to write about because I went off to do something else for a few moments.

...

That’s the point. I had a post I was going to compose, went off to chat with some people, came back, and now I’m blank.

*SMH*

#Tertiary Si #Si #Si problems #lower Si #INTP #INFP #SMH

[belatedintp]

Whenever I think about stopping, I realize there are people who care. Thank you.

#it's over 800! #thank you!

[belatedintp]

Where INTP is Questioned

INTP: I am sure of this! This is what it is!

INTJ: You're awfully adamant.

INTP: ... what?

INTJ: You're normally so unsure of yourself... where is this confidence coming from?

INTP: ... I see the patterns... supported by my logic...

INTJ: Is there a thing you haven't considered?

INTP: ... probably. Damn.

#MBTI #INTJ #INTP #confidence

[belatedintp]

Ti-Fe Oscillation

I shouldn’t make the same mistakes like this, but when I hit a homerun, I keep wanting to hit a home run. In reality... they’re not that frequent, and I need to be aware of that. The INTP information processing requires much time to process, and much time for skepticism... but sometimes... one just wants to share things they think is true (especially if in relation to current events due to shadow Se).

It can be easy for the INTP to share before finishing the data observation. Don’t. Be patient. You can brainstorm with people (Ne). You can think about the data you gathered (Si). But whatever you do... don’t immediately jump down to what you think is Fe.

I keep making that mistake... thinking I covered all grounds, when in reality... there is still much more to go.

#MBTI #INTP #Ti #Fe #Oscillation #Ti-Fe #TiFe #Ne #Si

[belatedintp]

INTP & ENTJ

INTP: I don't know why... but I just wanted to talk to you.

ENTJ: I felt the same way!

INTP: No way, really?

ENTJ: YES! So I decided to go for it. It must be that Ni.

INTP: Wow! That's so amazing.

And that's how NT women become friends. Only if it worked the same for male-female relationships... LOL.

#MBTI #INTP #ENTJ #friend