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arabian-bloodstream · 11 days
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Thank you. I've seen way too much doubt. Especially from people who didn't even watch DD. This was beautiful. Thank you.
My take on the current fandom discourse
As well as a little reminder.
It hurts and is unfortunate to see many people on here and on Twitter who are worried and hurt by things they saw within the new teaser and sneak peek and their interpretation of what it means.
So I've decided to post this as a little reminder of who Daryl and Carol are to each other and how much they truly mean to each other, hoping that it can reassure at least a few of you.
I won't be disputing people's interpretation of the teaser and sneak peek, but I will be using a parallel I saw within the sneak peek and another similar scene. I'll let the gifs below speak for themselves for a moment before I continue, and I think most of you will know exactly where I'm headed with this.
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She gets hurt She dies She catches a fever She gets taken out by a walker... She gets hit by lightning Anything... anything happens to her, I'll kill you.
- Daryl Dixon TWD 07x10
These were Daryl's words when the Kingdom, Alexandria, Hilltop, and everyone he knew were in danger, and even then, not even for a split second was he willing to put Carol's life and safety on the line.
There is not an ounce of doubt in me that Daryl feels any differently now; in fact, his love for her has grown even more because of everything they've been through since and all the time he's been forced to be away from her, never knowing if he'll ever see her again.
If the way he cared for the people of Alexandria, Kingdom, and Hilltop combined couldn't outweigh how much he cared for Carol, there is ZERO chance that Isabelle, Laurent, and the people from Nest ever could.
When Daryl finally lays eyes on Carol in season 2, compared to her, nothing else will matter to him anymore. The second Carol is ever in danger, Daryl will immediately prioritise her safety over all else.
Of course, he'll help the Nest as much as he can, and so will Carol; that's who they are, but if it ever came down to choosing between one or the other, they will always choose each other.
Yes, it's his nature to always fight for people who need him, but his feelings towards Carol led him to overcome that nature once, and he'll do it again without a second thought.
Trust the man who risked his life looking for her daughter
Trust the man who instantly ran into danger to protect her
Trust the man who ran into her arms when they reunited
Trust the man who would risk death to keep her safe
Trust the man who held her when she lost her children
Trust the man who ran to shelter her from seeing her son dead
Trust the man who puts himself between her and danger
Trust the man who stood by her when she lost herself
Trust the man who always made sure she was okay first (this)
Trust the man who has always put Carol first
Trust the man we've known for 13 years!
In 07x10, as a last attempt to convince Daryl to follow the plan and sacrifice Carol to save everyone else, Richard says:
"What we have to do requires sacrifice one way or another... Guys like us... we've already lost so much"
Daryl responds by saying:
"You don't know me"
Because it's true, Richard didn't know him, he didn't know what Carol meant to him, he couldn't imagine, but we do. And just like Richard, the people in France don't know him and don't know how much Carol means to him, hence why they don't understand him no matter how many times he has said that he has his home to get back to and promises he needs to keep.
So why don't they understand? Why doesn't he tell them about her? Why doesn't he explain who he wants to get back to and why? Wouldn't that just make things easier?
The amazingly insightful @haircoveredwriter reminded me of something here: Why didn't Richard expect Daryl's reaction towards Carol being put in harm's way? Why do Isabelle, Laurent, and Losang not hear Daryl when he tries to explain himself?
Daryl has always held the people he cares about the most as close to his chest as possible, like they're his fragile secrets, like he's scared of sharing them in case they get hurt or he loses them. Of course, you might say that that's more something we do as children, but we can't forget that Daryl never got to have a childhood, and he lost the only people he ever loved while growing up, so no, I can't fault him for trying to protect the person he cares about most, even if it's not in the most conventional ways, instead of talking about her and sharing her with anyone he has an acquaintance with.
This is also a way for Daryl to protect himself; I can see how he believes telling others about her is like advertising his weakness, his achilles heel, like holding up a sign to them that says "Here, this is where you can hit me if you want it to hurt the most. This is my weakest spot. This is how you take me down".
Speaking about her out loud is too painful; a reminder of how much he missed saying her name, what he can't have and may never be able to see again.
Listen to the hesitation and the way his voice softens when he says, "There's a lady named Carol" after Laurent asks who he misses from home, and how within a second, we see his guard go right back up again.
Look at how he can't help but smile when he hears her voice saying his name again after however long, or how he can't stand still, and his shoulders move like someone who's overwhelmed by an emotion that they're trying to contain.
The Daryl we see in the new teaser/sneak peek and the Darly we'll be getting in TBOC season 2 is the exact same Daryl he has always been, the one that's always seen as distant and guarded on the outside and a man of few words but incredibly loud actions; almost all of these have been developed as a self-defence mechanism, but none of these means that internally he isn't dying to leave France and get back to her, to hold her again, to see her smile again, to make her laugh again, to wipe her tears when she cries, to be her support and man of honour again.
The list from earlier in this post is just a few examples (of many) of how he has repeatedly shown us, through his actions, that she is the most important thing in the world to him.
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To wrap this up I just wanted to say that I can't wait to see how their bond strengthens even more in season two because I see these two as the definition of soulmates.
I love them, I love how they love each other, and I always will.
Or in @lola-andheruniverse's wise words (her post), which have stuck with me:
"I'm choosing to hope [and trust] and ignore the fear of disappointment... I'll always love them... They changed the way I understand love, and I'll never regret a second spent loving them."
For those who want to watch the scenes mentioned above, the timestamps are as follows:
TWD 07x10 scene between Richard and Daryl is 8:45 - 14:27.
TWD: DD 01x05 scene between Laurent and Daryl 9:20 - 10:50
TWD: DD 01x05 radio call between Carol and Daryl
Thank you to those who read through this; I know it's a little long, and I could have honestly made it 3x longer because I always have so much to say about these two, but I hope it helped ease your minds, even if it was just a little bit.
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La'an & Kirk: A Theory
I have a theory about La'an and Kirk!
La'an and Kirk actually first met in their first alternate timeline. In the first season finale, 1x10, "Quality of Mercy," this timeline was created after Pike prevented the death of some Starfleet cadets. La'an transferred from the Operations division to the Command division. She reached the rank of Commander and was assigned to the… wait for it! USS Farragut under, oh yes, the command of Captain James T. Kirk.
So, that is Timeline Number One.
Then in season 02, 2x03, "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow," La'an is bum-rushed by a man in a business suit who hands her a device and tells her to save the bridge. She goes to the bridge where the captain is James T. Kirk, but it's not her bridge (obviously, no Pike), and he's not the captain of her Enterprise in her universe (again, duh, no Pike). We are now in another alternate timeline. The Vulcans and Romulans and Klingons and everyone hates each other and cats and dogs are all fighting! It's war! War! War!
So, this is Timeline Number Two.
Jim reaches for the device in La'an's hand and activates it and they are transported to Earth 21st century. They steal clothing, play chess, hang out in a hotel room, engage in car chases, visit a new, old friend, save the future, and develop the feels for one another, have a kissy-face, and then Kirk dies before La'an does what she has to do (i.e., letting her evil future ancestor live), and she gets transported back to her timeline. La'an sends a subspace call to Kirk to say 'Hey!' -- as they had never spoken or met prior -- but then is visited by a temporal bigwig who tells her no telling anyone, that's a big no-no!
That be Timeline Number Three.
In the current timeline in which La'an normally occupies, Lieutenant James T. Kirk comes on over to the Enterprise and he and La'an officially meet. Subspace harmonies happen and truths do be spilled in song, so La'an decides to break the big timey-wimey no-no to Kirk before a 17th sea shanty can do the deed. He too feels the connection, but alas, his on again/off again girlfriend is on because she's preggers. So, welps!
And this, folks, is Timeline Number Four.
So, my theory!
Kirk and La'an have now been thrown together in not one, not two, not three, but FOUR different alternate timelines. That's a lot of timelines for two people to be linked together. Now, admittedly, the two in "TATAT" are tied together, but they are still two separate timelines. The kicker is the one from "Quality of Mercy." Another one? Really?! So, yeah. And, it has been pointed out, if you take a gander at her uniform, it looks as if she is not only in command but as if she is his First Officer, his Number One! Uh, yeah.
However, before we dive into that, let's look deeper at the conversation between the real timeline Kirk and La'an which I feel has been misrepresented overall from what I've read. The overall take I've seen is that Kirk and La'an are dunzos because of that convo, and I dunno, I just didn't even remotely get that. Kirk made things very clear, and based on what we know about life in this era, other things can be pretty clearly inferred, and based on what we know from The Wrath of Khan we know other things.
So, let's do some numbering.
Life is complicated.
In other words, the fact that he has a girlfriend who is pregnant is "complicated," not good or happy, but rather "complicated."
She is his "sometimes" girlfriend.
That in and of itself is NEVER how one should describe their significant other. Like EVA!
Carol is intensely dedicated to her job on Starfleet One.
He tends to not stay in one place for long which is a growing problem since Carol is pregnant.
We are putting these two together because Carol is intensely dedicated to her job ON STARFLEET ONE, while Jim tends to NOT STAY IN ONE PLACE LONG. Ie., yeah, it's complicated. This is basically a bright, neon glaring sign that this is a relationship that is not for long. Like at all. (Even if we didn't already know that.)
So, OK, in this era, it's not really easy to get pregnant what with modern technology and medicine, right?
Carol is his "sometimes" girlfriend who ain't leaving Starfleet One, while her "sometimes" boyfriend goes flying all over the place, and she just happens to get preggers? Hmm, OK, then. We know from "The Wrath of Khan" that when David shows up and finds out about Kirk, Kirk, of course already knows, and tells Carol, "I stayed away like YOU wanted me to." Mmhmm!
So, with all that said, I'm speculating that Carol either (a) got herself pregnant to make Kirk stay on Starfleet One or (b) was so busy science'ing up she got preggers. Either way, being pregnant it came down to he needed to make a choice choose her and his kid, or her career and the stars. And Kirk chose his career and the stars. And that is what is going to come out… and La'an will be there through the fall-out because there likely will be fall-out from like Sam, and Kirk just feeling guilty and all that.
But what about the timelines? Well, so my theory is that Kirk and La'an have a relationship, happiness, blah blah blah, while he's on the Farragut, she's on Enterprise, etc., and then as we get near the end of SNW's run, some big choice has to happen. In order to save lives or some such, La'an makes a sacrifice, saving peeps, but in the process, everyone in the current timeline forgets her. Thus, no mention of La'an when they meet Khan, no mention of her and Kirk, or basically just her at all in TOS.
But for her sacrifice, she gets:
TADA!! Timeline Number Five….
In this one, she and Kirk live happily ever after. And her family didn't die at the hands of the Gorn. So on and so forth.
Or maybe this is all just wishful thinking, hahahahaha!
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Young Emma D’Arcy/Milly Alcock
For anyone who says they didn’t cast a young Rhaenyra well based off of Emma D’Arcy with Milly Alcock, this side by side, I think proves differently. Spot-on casting.
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Teenage Emma D’Arcy and and a younger Milly Alcock.  Yes, their noses are different, but overall, pretty dang spot-on.
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Emma D'Arcy was nominated for a Golden Globe for actress!!!! YAAAAAAAAS!!!!!!!
They so deserve it!
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Noooo, I want more!!!!
DAEMON and RHAENYRA's no turning back moment. We don't talk about this enough. Likefolksong's post inspired this.
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So at first we see Rhaenyra's uncertainty, the hope, the need, but also her fear of Daemon's rejection,
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then the SURPRISE and AWE in his eyes at the sudden realization she probably still wants him after all these years ?
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Then his last silent warning 'Rhaenyra', just as @likefolksong put it: "if they do it, there will be no turning back for them"
- exactly, they both knew it was NOT going to be just a kiss, not just lovemaking, for them
Also the way he gulped right after she'd told him she was no longer a child >>>
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... At that point they were both well aware of the fact it was serious... cuz it was them actually making a life-altering ultimate decision ABOUT THEIR FUTURE...
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And ofc they went for it, come what may...
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's not like they hadn't been wishing for that and dreaming of it for over a decade :D
The intensity of that kiss. It was not a wild one full of passion. It was a slow one, full of need, full of cherishing each other, full of not wanting to let go of each other's lips even for a second now that they finally had each other
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also the way they were holding each other (both of them: one hand holding each other's waist, the other holding each other's shoulder), + ofc forehead touching, cuz forehead touching has always been their thing
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....and then ofc comes the neck kink, their neck touching, it too seems to be their new thing
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the need ^
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the 'no one else exists BUT YOU soulmatism'
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^ the neck kink ... ^ Daemon's always had the neck kink with her but our grown up Rhaenyra has also developed the kink it seems
Then Rhaenyra's ' I WANT You'
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^ and Daemon's eyes poping out wide in reaction, Daemy can't believe his luck :D
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^ and Daemon's hunter's mode activated instantly :D arousal written all over his face now
Also Rhaenyra's chin kink >>>
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and Daemon's chin kink >>>
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and the rest is history...of Daemon's worship of Rhaenyra ... for another post... :D
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YAAAAS! This person gets it!!!
The more I think about the choking scene the more I think it fits and is a really great deconstruction of daemon and rhaenyra's relationship... Some people have problems w it I think because they see it as daemon demonstrating his power over her and rhaenyra being a passive character but I think it's the exact opposite? Idk if this is what the writers were intending (obviously there's the indication of daemon's character- love cannot change a man's nature) but I see it as an enforcement of rhaenyra's power over him. I think what really makes it is rhaenyra's smile after daemon releases her and she realizes viserys never told him about the prophecy- the quiet triumph as she realizes she was always the first choice. Daemon may be physically more powerful, but she is (to viserys, the only person whose opinion and love matters to both of them) the prophetic savior, the heir always meant to follow him on the throne. She is aegon and he is visenya: she is the leader and he is the follower. She is the king, and he is the consort. And there's power in that! There's power, for her, in knowing that even if he has the ability to hurt her, if his anger provokes him to violence, she's still the one in control. He may be the sword, but she's the one wielding it. She smiles to herself because she was trusted in a way he never was- the crown is hers in a way it never would be his, and they both know it. rhaenyra knows she's the favorite, and is the only one who can sit the iron throne (would their bannermen support them if it was a quest to sit daemon on the throne? Doubt it) and daemon knows it too- his hands may be around her throat, but he's on one knee for her, making her queen above him. He's nothing without her- not the prince consort, not a general. Just a violent, chaotic nuisance, the beast under the boards that house targaryen keeps locked away to keep pretending they aren't built on blood. He needs rhaenyra to have real, concrete power- he needs her to be able to face himself in the mirror. Their marriage makes him nearly king, and their connection, their targaryen heritage evident in every interaction, makes him human. Daemon has his hand around her throat and rhaenyra smiles because she's the one in control- because he could no sooner kill her than kill himself, and they both fucking know it.
It's also interesting when compared to the rest of their scenes in the episode- before this scene, you have daemon acting out, arguing with her in public, insulting her decisions, generally making a scene and disrupting their marriage. And then after it, there's just the scene of daemon telling her of Luke's death which is... Completely different in tone. There's no sound obviously but you have daemon offering comforting words, holding hands as he delivers the news, the two of them turning toward the fire in unison, in harmony together again. That scene is the breaking point in realizing, finally, where they stand with each other. The power dynamic has been shaken up, rewritten. And. Well. we know who the prince consort is, and who the queen.
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Yup,  I'm touching upon Nettles again because of a lovely conversation I had with @darklinaforever​ that made me realize something and I was like WHOAH!
First of all, I want to touch upon something that I have beat upon several times. Fire & Blood is not meant to be taken as fact. Period. Anyone who is reading those tales as the sacred truth is, well, wrong. And that is simply the end of it. We are literally told that they are a biased account written by an archmaester ONE HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE FACT. And his writings are based on various journals that are biased first-, second-, and third-hand accounts of the events that took place. And many, many, heck, the vast, vast majority of those accounts were written by those who held no love for Rhaenyra because of her gender because gasp! a woman on the Iron Throne! EGADS! So, anything that was said in one account that was taken as "well, such and such was the relationship between so and so" and then repeated often enough was going to make its rounds in journals of the time. And then picked up in future accounting of that era.
Which brings us to Daemon and Nettles. I'm gonna break a few things down first.
1. Does Nettles sound like an awesomely awesome character? Yes. She totally does. Girl is in her late teens, a lowborn bastard with little manners and education, who is one of only four people in all of Westeros who is able to tame a freaking dragon! And Daemon, who likes very few people, cottons to her. He thinks she's great company. She reminds him most likely of a young Rhaenyra, and of his fiery Baela. During the war, it's the two of them that go out on scouting missions together. She's also fiercely loyal to the Blacks. Like fiercely, crazy loyal to them. (Which makes the poisoning of Rhaenyra against her so painful. :sniff, sniff:) Nettles is fucking badass. I can't wait to meet her.
2. Going back to my introductory paragraph. Yes, there are about four or so "sources" that intimate that Daemon and Nettles were lovers. However, I again refer to the fact that the vast majority of accounts were biased against Rhaenyra and wanted to paint her negatively. And if supposedly "legitimate" sources such as Septon Eustace of Aegon II's court, and Mushroom, of Rhaenyra's court claimed that Nettles was Daemon's lover, well, then surely such was the case.
Never mind that Eustace was all in for Aegon and fairly blatantly anti-Rhaenyra. Oh, and never mind that Mushroom never met a story that he couldn’t sex up and add salaciousness all over it until it dripped with horniness from every corner.
Added to those “legitimate” sources, Nettles flew with Daemon on their dragons, and he gave her gifts (more on that later). Surely, surely it must be true. And so other accounts followed suit. After all, when one hears something repeated again and again, it makes its way 'round. However, my Daemyra fam, it doesn't make it true, it just makes it a tale told often enough that it becomes believed to be true. Especially when it's a juicy one.
3. I mentioned this in my first post about Nettles, but it bears repeating again. Yes, there is a servants' account that Daemon and Nettles bathed together. However, those accounts are given right alongside the maester's that Daemon treated Nettles like a daughter, and they are not transcribed in a salacious way. (I.e., not told by Mushroom.) And this makes sense for the time period. Recall Game of Thrones, season 03, episode 6: "Kissed By Fire." Jaime and Brienne bathed together; there was nothing salacious about that. They were simply two people who needed to be cleaned up and so they were sent to the bathing chamber to do so. It wasn't sexual at all. Also, think of the difficult task of bathing in that day and age. Bringing the tub up, heating the water, bringing up the buckets of water, and then emptying the tub. That is a LOT of work. So sharing a bath isn't always a sexual thing, not in that time period. It just isn't.
Furthermore, as @darklinaforever​ mentioned to me, if it was no great secret that Daemon Targaryen took lovers after he wed Rhaenyra--as those who buy into this theory claim--from Mysaria to Nettles to whomever, why did Daemon even bother with a separate bed if it was an adjoining chamber? If it was an adjoining chamber and that meant he was sleeping with her, well, then all knew he was sleeping with her so, again, why bother with the pretense? It was Daemon Targaryen, after all. He was the King Consort, and never a man who cared much for propriety.
4. The gifts, yes, Daemon gave Nettles gifts, much like he gave Rhaenyra. Except not much like he gave Rhaenyra. The types of gifts that he gave Nettles were practical ones. Of worth, yes, but Daemon was a prince of great wealth. Did one think he would buy her cheap stuff? Nope. He bought her a brush, a coat, etc., practical things that made her life--one that had begun and was spent mostly in poverty--better. These types of gifts were not at all like what he had given to Rhaenyra. To her he brought jewels, a jade tiara, courting gifts, gifts of love and romance. Not the same at all. Nope, nope, nope.
5. Finally, and this one, my Daemyra fam, is the big enchilada... Daemon Targaryen has burned and yearned and loved Rhaenyra for twenty years. Let me repeat that. Daemon Targaryen has truly loved only one woman for TWENTY YEARS. Rhaenyra. Period. Full-stop. I don't care what Fire & Blood says. (Although Fire & Blood surely made it clear that Daemon and Rhaenyra shared a deep love regardless of what the antis try and say.) House of the Dragon, which is an objective telling of what happened during this era, has made it abundantly clear that Daemon and Rhaenyra are deeply, deeply in love.
When they were separated for TEN ENTIRE YEARS while married, in relationships, with other people, they were literally muted, shadowed versions of themselves only coming back to who they truly were when reunited. And since married when we as viewers saw them six years into that relationship they were still very much in love. And that is exactly how we were supposed to see them. Per the director, Geeta Patel, of "Lord of the Tides," the episode that took place after that six-year time jump into their marriage:
"Daemon and Rhaenyra — they’re together at the beginning of my episode. Part of the thing that we felt was important was to believe that they were in love with each other. And not just believe it, but feel the electricity. I mean, I don’t know about you guys, but I am very much in love with my husband, and I still have a crush on him. And when I see him, I still get chills. And I wanted to see that, I wanted to feel that from them. Because this was a delicate fleeting moment, as you know having seen the episode. We needed to feel the realism of that. And so the two of them [Matt and Emma] had a lot of conversations — even without me — where they were building their relationship, and building the chemistry. So I was really pleased when we got to shooting their first scene together, where Rhaenyra says 'I need to go back home' — just the way he looked at her…I just love that."
And after the finale, the much-maligned (and for good reason, she's a rape apologist):
[Sara] Hess does believe that Daemon and Rhaenyra are meant for each other, although of course, it’s complicated. "Saying they 'love' each other seems almost too simple," Hess says, "it's more that they have a profound, primal connection that nobody else understands."
So, yeah. These two are THE OTP of the show. Period. And this relationship has been established from their first scene together in the first episode in the first season. And has been established quite deliberately so throughout the entire season starting before the series began so before she was 14 (since Daemon was bringing her the gift and their relationship was already established), the three year time jump to 17, another time jump to 27 and then another 6 to 33. So, we are looking at nearly 20 years of deep affection to soul-searing love between these two.
The Dance of the Dragons lasts less than two years.
Let me repeat that: Daemon has loved Rhaenyra for close to TWENTY YEARS. The Dance of the Dragons lasts less than TWO YEARS.  
So, some people out there expect us to believe that Daemon Targaryen is going to suddenly stop loving the woman that he has been in love with for nearly two decades unceasingly without that love diminishing at all and just, you know, fall for someone else in the span of less than two years? I just don't see it.
Yeah, and so that's why I'm not really worried about Nettles, Daemyra fam. But then you might ask me about.... what, what, what, what about the finale?
Oh, you mean the finale where.... let me list all the ways in which Daemon showed how much he STILL madly loves Rhaenyra, his wife, his Queen.
He didn't go to her when she was in labor. And? In that time period, most men weren't with their wives when they were in labor. Admittedly, Daemon probably has been in the past, however, Rhaenyra appears to have an easier go of it normally. This was not the case. Remember, his last wife came this close to dying (and would have died) in childbirth. Rhaenyra's mother died in childbirth. Why would Daemon want to be there to see the absolute love of his life in that kind of pain, knowing he could do nothing about it? He was already in the throes of agony over Viserys, over Rhaenyra's crown/throne being usurped, over Rhaenyra going into premature labor. Sure, let's throw in him actually watching her physically being in THAT much pain.... sure.  Or not.
We also saw Daemon ceding to her wishes as Queen. We all know that he wanted to fly to the Riverlands and garner support then and there, but he did not because Rhaenyra said not to.
When Eryyk showed up, Daemon took the crown, placed it upon her head and knelt before her. "My Queen," he called her, gazing reverently up at her because she was indeed his Queen.
We know that he wanted to kill Otto and all the traitorous men behind him then and there on the bridge, but he did not because Rhaenyra said not to. He listened to her, he followed her lead because she was his Queen.
Yes, yes, he was bad, bad, mad, mad Daemon when he grabbed her throat. But that wasn't about Rhaenyra. That was about Viserys. That was about Daemon finding out once and for all that Viserys never intended for him to be heir. His brother never trusted him at all. EVER. That was a painful, striking blow of epic proportions.  (Which has been confirmed by Ryan Condal, and Emma D'arcy--who put it best by saying that Daemon handled it "less eloquently.") Daemon vented physically at Rhaenyra. But he didn't hurt her. He could have, he could have killed her. But he didn't; because he never, ever would. And she knew that.
It's why she sent him to go and make nice with Vermithor. And it's why when Daemon found out about Luke, it was he who came to her. It was he who took her hand, to comfort her, to be there for her, because once they reunited in "Driftmark," Daemon has always been there for her. His wife. His queen. His love.
Now after what happened to her boy, well, she's all in on war now, so Rhaenyra and Daemon are on the same page indeed. Wife and Husband. Queen and her loyal King Consort. As in love as they ever have been. For near twenty years... and we are to believe that it’s just going to change in a handful of months because of some Rhaenyra haters (looking at your Eustace) or some salacious horndog (yeah, talking to you, Mushroom!)? I do not think so!
And that is all I have to say about that!
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I present: The Laenor Theory
So when the sixth episode of the first season of House of the Dragon aired, "Driftmark" it was called, I had a theory.
"The Laenor Theory," I shall name it.
I wrote this theory down before the episode itself aired because I had been possibly spoiled about the potentiality of what would happen to the character that the theory was named after. Now the first season has come to a close and I have reread the Laenor Theory and I realized something in hindsight. Something that I wrote in my original write-up that lends a much, much greater weight and potential merit to the happenstance of this actually occurring because of what happened in the final episode of the season, "The Black Queen."
However, first, let us begin at the beginning...
In the book, Fire & Blood, Laenor is dead, period, full-stop. However, the book is a biased historical retelling of what happened based on many sources told one hundred years after the fact. There is no definitive truth in that telling. In "Driftmark," by showing that Laenor lived to see another day, HOTD avoided the dreaded “burying the gay” trope and that is a good thing. However, in un-killing Laenor, it invalidated Daemon and Rhaenyra’s marriage. At the time I originally wrote my post, I believed this was beyond massive because by invalidating Daemon and Rhaenyra’s marriage it also made their children bastards just as much as it made her children with Harwin bastards. And making Daemon and Rhaenyra’s children’s bastards is BEYOND MASSIVE because it is one of their children through which the Targaryen bloodline will continue…
All the way to Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow.
Therefore, I believed that naturally something, somehow must be done, twist the story a bit into knots, add more layers, more scenes to preserve the validity of Daemon and Rhaenyra's marriage. This simply had to be done, otherwise, nearly two hundred years down the road neither Daenerys nor Jon (nor any Targaryen in-between) had a valid claim to the Iron Throne because again every Targaryen that comes after this current bunch comes through Viserys, Daemon and Rhaenyra’s son.
These were my pre-episode watching thoughts. And then the episode aired, and I adored "Driftmark" so very much in so many very ways... and yes, Laenor was un-killed. But, no, there was nothing done, no twisting of the story, no knots added, no extra layers, or scenes...
But for one. The scene between Corlys and Rhaenys in which they discussed their grandchildren, blooded or not. History doesn’t remember bloodlines (or unsaid in this scene the actual truth of marriages real or not). History remembers the name. And history will know and remember that Laenor is dead. That Daemon and Rhaenyra were married. That their children were legitimate. So, maybe, just maybe it doesn’t matter after all.
Still... to even go there. To even invalidate Daemon and Rhaenyra’s marriage is a lot, the legitimacy of their marriage.
So, I asked myself then, why? Why go to such an extreme to save Laenor? In the scheme of things, he’s a minor character. He fathers no children of importance, he’s a blip in the story, and holds no emotional or narrative weight. I’m sorry to this man, but it is true. And, yes, the 'bury the gays' trope is awful, and we hate to see it, but that’s not on Condal and Sapochnik. It’s based on the book, and saving Laenor, again, really mucks things up not only for this era—because Corlys and Rhaenys have good cause to hate Daemon and Rhaenyra and not join their cause, but literally for the entire Targaryen line and history as we know it all the way through to Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow.
So, why?
And here is where the Laenor Theory comes into play. The faking of Laenor’s death is being presented now in season 01 so that viewers are aware of this possibility, see it in action, know that it can be used, how it can be used and that it works. Why? So that come the end of the Dance of the Dragons when Aegon the Elder tells Septon Eustace to write in his journal that he killed Rhaenyra with his dragon, Sunfyre, and that his nephew, her son, watched it happen, that is what history believes.
Yes, yes, it is what history will believe. History believes, remembers what it is told. Not just names, but what is written down. It doesn’t remember blood, it doesn’t remember the events as they happen, but what is written down. It’s like the old saying, history is written by the victors. Which brings me back to my oft repeated mantra: Fire & Blood is an inaccurate historical retelling based on biased accounts collated a century after the fact by another (admitted) biased account. It is not the true story.
We are getting the true story now. History remembers not the truth, but what those who were there tell us was the truth. And we know that story one hundred years later because the archmaester who gave us that history in Fire & Blood knew that from the journals, and from Aegon’s retelling. And we knew that Daemon died because of stories told, but it was rumored that he might have lived.
So… perhaps, Rhaenyra and Daemon do live in the end. They both make their way to Dragonstone, but are captured by Aegon the Elder. In exchange for their lives, and the life of their son who will be the safest Targaryen of all as heir to the Iron Throne (as Aegon the Elder can have no more children), they leave Westeros, believed to be dead. Just as Laenor does. Rhaenyra has only this one child left (she believes as no one knew that Viserys still lived). To fight further could risk his life. To fight for the throne would put his life at risk. But *this* would keep him safe.
Even after Aegon the Elder died, and Aegon was named King, to come back would put his life in jeopardy because there would be fighting over the throne from different lords and vassals, and Rhaenyra nor Daemon (one would presume) would fight against their child. And so in Essos, they would live, believed to be dead by all in Westeros. Their son gaining the Iron Throne, their bloodline carrying on the Targaryen dynasty.
Now, think of that idea, ponder that... and THEN think of the last episode. Think of "The Black Queen." Think of Rhaenyra not wanting to rule over a kingdom of ashes. Think of Rhaenyra desperately wanting, striving for peace. Think of Rhaenyra desperately fighting to preserve that peace because of Aegon's dream that a Targaryen sit the throne. And think of that final shot of Rhaenyra when she found that she had lost her boy, her Lucerys.
NOW imagine a Rhaenyra later down the line, she has ruled briefly over a kingdom that has been burned, in ashes. So many dragons gone, all but one of her children left. And this, this would be the best way to ensure his safety, his life. Leaving him in the hands of her brother... and then on the throne as the ruling King himself, a Targaryen on the throne, ensuring that Aegon's dream has a chance to come true, for surely he will have the dagger, he will read the inscription someday. Surely he will have that chance.
Yes, then she would leave him. She would leave with Daemon, she would convince Daemon—who always listens to her, always follows her lead—to save her child, her one child still alive. "The Black Queen" showed us that. The first season in its entirety showed us all that we needed to see that Daemon and Rhaenyra could and would indeed have the Laenor treatment.
It was Rhaenyra, the adult Rhaenyra, who gave the opening voiceover in the first episode which took place after the events of the Dance of the Dragons.
We were shown the saving of Laenor, that it can be done and how.
Rhaenyra is very motivated by Aegon's dream.
Rhaenyra loves her children.
As she's matured, Rhaenyra has realized that she does not want to be queen. We saw that in episode 08, and episode 10. It is her duty, not her desire.
Whatever his chaotic, tempestuous damage, Daemon loves Rhaenyra and follows her lead. Periodt!
Daemon and Rhaenyra, whatever their toxic flaws, are very much soulmates in every sense of the word, and are THE OTP love story of this show, and frankly of ASOIAF universe.
I believe that the main reason we saw Laenor un-killed is because it was setting up viewers for the eventual un-killing of Daemon and Rhaenyra at the end of the Dance of the Dragons.
Thus, the Laenor Theory.
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Heh, just saw this now. LOVE IT!
Sorry, I’ve been sick for the last couple of days, thus no post. I am working on it now. Hopefully, it will be done soon-ish.
ETA: Wrote it! I present: The Laenor Theory
Daemon x Rhaenyra Angsty Wish
I know in Fire and Blood, they died separately.
But I can't stop thinking of the line "We have always been meant to burn together."
It has so many interpretations and implications for Daemon and Rhaenyra as a couple.
But now my hope for the show is for Daemon to survive battle with Aemond only to make it back to Rhaenyra. Then they can burn together.
It would be the perfect tragic ending to their romance.
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Reading over my post again and in light of the entire season, I am even more convinced now that this is 100% absolutely the plan. I will be working on a post that details why in excruciating length why I think so. But oh yes, oh, yes, indeed. I do think we will have our Daemyra happy ending (ish) after all!!
Daemon x Rhaenyra Angsty Wish
I know in Fire and Blood, they died separately.
But I can't stop thinking of the line "We have always been meant to burn together."
It has so many interpretations and implications for Daemon and Rhaenyra as a couple.
But now my hope for the show is for Daemon to survive battle with Aemond only to make it back to Rhaenyra. Then they can burn together.
It would be the perfect tragic ending to their romance.
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Eh, I still hope that the Laenor switch-aroo was so that, yes, the above happens, but also, so that yup... Daemyra fake their death too. Uh huh.
I wrote a whole long-ass post about it: About Laenor...I have a theory.
Daemon x Rhaenyra Angsty Wish
I know in Fire and Blood, they died separately.
But I can't stop thinking of the line "We have always been meant to burn together."
It has so many interpretations and implications for Daemon and Rhaenyra as a couple.
But now my hope for the show is for Daemon to survive battle with Aemond only to make it back to Rhaenyra. Then they can burn together.
It would be the perfect tragic ending to their romance.
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This is FUCKING brilliant. The nest breakdown of Daemyra in this episode so far I've seen
Bravo!
Daemon seeing his wifey Queen make the epic entrance like she did those many years ago, making Otto shit his pants a little again :D
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...So it all begins with an extremely nervous Daemon pacing back and forth on the bridge, getting mentally ready for a face off with Otto again
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Unlike those many years ago, this time Daemon DOESN'T greet him at all and just stares at him, annoyed. Daemon's just 1000% done with Otto's shit :D
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And that's when Otto provocatively asks Daemon about ' where' s princess Rhaenyra?'
and Daemon STILL doesn't answer, but gives Otto a "Just you wait" stare as his wifey shows up right behind him, arriving on a dragon, like those many years ago
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he looks up at her, with kind of reverence and worship
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he's so proud of her, and so happy, he gives Otto the see THAT, Otto-cunt, THAT'S my wifey and my QUEEN, take that bitch >>>
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just look at his PROUD husband little smirk as he's looking at Otto >>
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it was like here he felt she was the same chaotic dragon as he was, that they were on the same page, two pieces of one whole
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they were there, the two of them against Otto, 'Daemon+Rhae against the world'
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he was proud and sure they were gonna destroy the little shit Otto once and for all
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Daemon kept constantly checking for Rhae's reaction to basically everything Otto said
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^ the disgust on his face when... "drunken usurper cunt of king" - and i will say no more :D
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Checking for her reaction again... Daemon understood Otto's game right from the beginning, just like young Rhaenyra did. But older Rhaenyra has more to lose, is now more numb and feels more responsibility, all of which now cloud her vision....
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^ Otto right after he's given the Alicent page to Rhaenyra, manipulating her emotionally >>> he immediately shots this look at Daemon, even Otto knew Daemon knew he was manipulating his wife, OF COURSE DAEMON UNDERSTOOD what OTTO was doing, that made him mad, too
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But unfortunately Otto's game worked on Rhaenyra this time, and she stopped Daemon... i couldn't bear the devastated disappointed look on his face at that point actually, like a hurt puppy... he was defeated again, this ep 1x10 was mostly just Daemon's losses and him countlessly being subdued when feeling the need to act, and Rhaenyra's numbness and depression, subduing herself...
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He just wanted to PROTECT her and THEIR FAMILY, he SAW Otto for who he really was and his manipulations, just like he had once seen through his manipulation of Viserys, but whyyyy was Rhaenyra so blind this time :"(
Anyway, Daemon didn't question it, he turned around and again followed Rhaenyra like a puppy...
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It was also kinda heartbreaking as a scene...
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Cuz the overall feeling and emotional storm of this episode 1x10 that was going on on the background the whole time was in my opinion PUTTING OUT/LOSS of Daemon and Rhaenyra's FIRE....:
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Visery's death, early labour, baby Visenya's death, Rhaenys's warning of Greens coming for their necks sent Daemon and Rhaenyra both on their own emotional journey and turmoil, and this was probably the FIRST and so far the ONLY time him and her were NOT on the same page, both due to fear:
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devastated, broken, empty, scared Rhaenyra... having just lost their baby Visenya, unable to imagine losing others in the upcoming war, refusing to entertain the idea of war seriously, hoping for and deluding herself with peace, refusing to believe Greens would actually want to hurt her or her family (despite Rhaenys openly warning them about this and Daemon having understood that long ago), in her depression and numbness believing Daemon simply liked war and wanted it cuz it excited him or that he'd gone mad, considering his actions and his suspecting of Greens kinda irrational (even before she'd mentioned on several occasions she did not believe Alicent would mean her harm or that Greens would want to kill/hurt them and their family...),
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in her inner pain, paralyzed by the recent events she's unable to see through Otto's game, it almost seems like Daemon's need and call for action is tiring her, as if she'd forgotten how horribly she'd been treated by the greens in KL during the 10 year no-Daemon period... Her fire is out and she's just done with everything and wants to rest, closing eyes before any danger despite warnings coming from all sides
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and we have a devastated, frustrated, helpless, feeling useless, scared Daemon.... he was fearing his family's doom at the hands of the Greens, he was frustrated about Rhaenyra not wanting to see it, he was furious with her refusing to act when so much was at stake, he knew peace was never gonna be an option and he felt they were wasting valuable time...
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he saw that after their baby's death his Rhaenyra's fire was out and he himself was struggling, but they still had A LOT to lose, i think he might've been low-key blaming her for endangering their family by her inactions and feeling useless himself at the same time cuz he wasn't allowed to act to protect them by striking first without her approval either... his hands were tied and he couldn't make her SEE (hence the choking/shaking sense into her kinda scene)...
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So yeah...
But thank god, at the end of the ep it seemed like for the FIRST TIME since the beginning of ep 10, Daemon and Rhaenyra WERE FINALLY ON THE SAME PAGE AGAIN, understanding each other and wanting the same thing, I think that was also the symbolism of the two of them, holding hands, staring into the fire together.
"They were always meant to burn together..."
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The hallway between my bedroom and bathroom.
LOVE!!
As soon as I walk into my apartment, my Queen is literally the first thing I see. SQUEE!
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Three scenes. So you think that Daemon had only THREE great scenes in the entire season? Really. Only THREE redeeming scenes in the ENTIRE season.
Ignoring the complete and utter ludicrousness of that because, hello, we have Daemon being sweet with Rhaena, kissing the pregnant belly of Laena, patting the pregnant belly of Rhaenyra, holding her hand when in KL and worrying over Viserys, protecting her by way of beheading Vaemond, stepping between ALL of their children (minus the youngins) against Aemond in the dinner scene, ruffling the hair of young Viserys, the tender, beautiful love scene with Rhaenrya, the wedding, the whole scene with Viserys when he saw him upon his sick bed, hugging Viserys upon his return from the Stepstones, giving Rhaenyra the necklace in episode 1, gazing at Rhaenyra throughout her wedding dinner, and many more.... let us look at these three specific scenes highlighted.
THE SCENES STILL EXISTED! Matt Smith just added his thoughts to them and gave them a bit of punch--which is awesome and I love him for it. However, the scenes were still there, still intended to SHOW DAEMON DOING WHAT HE DID.
Scene 1 - Daemon was there urging Rhaenyra to do what she needed to do. (Admittedly this is the less of the three, but still.)
Scene 2 - It was STILL Daemon there who went to Viserys’ side. It was STILL Viserys who chose to let Daemon help him. It was STILL Daemon who helped him to his throne. ALL OF THAT was STILL in the scene. The ONLY thing that changed was that the crown fell off of Paddy’s head and Matt picked it up and he and Paddy continued with the scene instead of stopping. Everything else, Daemon’s love for his brother, Viserys recognizing that love and finally seeing it for what it was... WAS STILL THERE IN THE SCENE. Written, directed as was.
Scene 3 - Daemon STILL went to Rhaenyra. He STILL went to her to tell her about Luke, to be there for her. Because he loved her, because he needed to be the one to tell her because he had to be there to comfort her. All that Emma was saying is that it was Matt’s decision to have their backs to the camera. They aren’t saying that it was Matt’s idea to have Daemon comfort Rhaenyra, have Daemon be there for her. That was ALREADY there. That was ALREADY in the script, set up, planned. Matt’s idea was simply to have their backs to the camera.
I love Matt. Adore him. I’ve been a huge fan since his Doctor Who days, but this is giving him entirely too much credit and ignoring the hard work that the writers, directors and creative team have done.
And that is all I have to say about that.
SO i found out that ALL of Daemon’s redeeming (and his best) moments from the show were improvised by Matt Smith.
It’s odd that if we remove all of these from the show, the writers really are leaning more towards making Daemon pure evil as opposed to being morally gray.
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Another variation on what I said and I ADORE how you put it. Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. In character in every, way, shape and form.
Did not ruin Daemon. Did not ruin Daemyra.
Bravo!
Unpopular Opinion About That Scene in the context of Daemon's arc and Daemon x Rhaenyra's relationship - It Doesn't Matter
This will not win me any support, but here is my take on the confrontation scene.
Stans and Antis alike are all overreacting. I don't expect any different from the antis, but my friends and fellow stans of Daemon and Rhaenyra, the scene actually not a big deal.
In fact, in the greater context of the show, the "choking" doesn't matter at all.
Now, before all of you jump down my throat, your dislike of the scene is absolutely justified.
When we consume media, we bring our own personal experience into the consumption. If you felt triggered or uncomfortable by the scene, that is absolutely valid. If you want to forget it ever happened, that is valid. If you want to rave against the show runners because they included it, that is absolutely valid.
But I am going to try to analyze it objectively
Every one of Daemon's actions was, in my eyes, perfectly in character. From the moment Rhaenys arrived and announced Viserys' death, you could see the pain and devastation on his face.
He is certain, mistakenly so, that the Greens killed Viserys themselves. That is is BROTHER. The only person aside from Rhaenyra and his children that he loves. He believes his enemies have killed the king and stolen the Iron Throne.
He accuses Rhaenys of inaction, and he feels betrayed by his kin. Yet, he follows Rhaenyra's lead and does not accuse the Velaryons of treason.
Then Rhaenyra goes into labor.
Everyone knows that this will not end well. There is nothing Daemon can do about the outcome of the birth. What he can do is shore up their defenses and make plans so his wife and his Queen will be prepared to strike against their enemies when the time comes.
Also, he is in incredible pain himself, traumatized by Laena's disastrous birth, and probably his mother's too. And he is a man of action. He cannot just sit at his wife's side as the enemies are closing in. It is not in his nature. He HAS to act.
Yes, he sort of dismisses Jace coming to the Black Council with orders not to act. But he does not explicitly go against Rhaenyra's command. Instead, he does what he can do without flying with Caraxes to get the crucial support in the Riverlands.
He makes certain that the knights swear their allegiance to the Queen and her son. He shows Jace the true meaning of loyalty.
At Visenya's funeral & the coronation, his only focus is Rhaenyra. He is by her side at every moment. He is her strength. He places the crown on her head, kneels before her and calls her his queen.
Then we come to the bridge. He awaits Rhaenyra's arrival. He does not take matters into his own hands. and strike against Otto, even though he is sure that Otto murdered his brother and knows that the Hightowers stole his wife's throne.
When he snaps and wants to have the pleasure of killing Otto himself, Rhaenyra orders him to stop, and he does! He puts aside his own anger and lust for vengeance and puts down his sword. She is his queen and he obeys her.
Then we are in the council again. Daemon's wish for war and Rhaenyra's wish for peace is the main conflict between Daemon and Rhaenyra this episode.
He is frustrated with what he views as her vain hope for peace. Rhaenyra send everyone out of the council chamber.
Daemon is understandably angry.
But the thing of it is: Rhaenyra curbs his worst impulses, and I would argue that she always has. She expresses her reasons for wanting to hold the realm together.
He sees this as weakness, but as the viewer, we are made to understand that it is a different kind of strength.
I have seen Daemon be called an abuser, a wife beater, a monster and more. None of these are accurate.
He is at his breaking point and he grabs Rhaenyra, but it is not to hurt her. It is to make her come to her senses.
If he wanted to hurt her, he would have grabbed her with both hands, crushed her windpipe, and incapacitated her. He has the strength to do it, but he doesn't. He says that is brother is weak and foolish to believe in dreams. Also he is realizing that his brother never saw him as a true heir.
For a man who has been chasing his brother's approval his whole life, that is absolutely devastating!
Then he lets go, because Rhaenyra is not fighting back, she is not coming to her senses as she wishes he would.
And now, we come to why the choking doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter because of Rhaenyra's reaction. She is not disgusted with him. She is not truly hurt. She smirks and mocks him.
He walks away.
Now to the aftermath, further establishing that this does single action does not matter in the context of Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship.
Corlys asks where Daemon is.
Rhaenyra has not told anyone, because she doesn't view it as an act of violence or treason against her. If she wanted to, she could have had him locked away or killed for laying hands on her. But she has already forgiven him.
She knows that he is occupied with going to awaken Vermithor. Because of course she does. I am sure someone told her. She's the Queen, and she knows what each of her councillors are doing.
Daemon still is not moving against Rhaenyra's orders. He is shoring up their forces because he knows this will come to war in the end. He knows that something will happen to force Rhaenyra to give up her hope for peace.
Now we reach the end. Daemon goes to Rhaenyra and tells her of Luke's death. He comforts her and she accepts his comfort.
They were divided, and they will surely disagree again. But Luke's death forces Rhaenyra to realize that peace is impossible. The Greens killed her son.
She said she didn't want to deal the first strike of this war.
Aemond dealt the first blow by killing her son who went to Storm's End as a messenger.
We see the fire in her eyes.
Now I will address the Inside the episode.
No one addresses the choking because IT DOESN"T MATTER. It won't be addressed. It has no bearing on Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship going forward.
What matters is the clash between Daemon's wish for war and revenge and Rhaenyra's hopes to hold the Realm together because of the Song of Ice and Fire and because of her wish to not rule a kingdom of ash and bone.
But in Season 2, that dream of peace will be gone. Rhaenyra and Daemon will be on the same page again.
I still think Rhaenyra will be the one to restrain Daemon from his worst impulses. And even if he doesn't exactly follow her orders, he won't explicitly disobey them. Above all, he is loyal to Rhaenyra, even during the worst moments of his life.
Do I wish they had included more of Daemon's scenes? Of course I do. Matt is phenomenal.
Do I like that he took Rhaenyra's throat? No. But I understand it. And objectively speaking it is in character.
This is not being treated as abuse or violence against Rhaenyra in the context of the show.
And I honestly think the show runners and Matt and Emma will not address it. Because in the context of the greater story, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
You can argue all you want that it was rushed and OOC. In media, there is no one correct interpretation. Was it the best writing choice? No.
Do I hate Daemon and believe he is the worst character in the show and that Daemon and Rhaenyra stopped loving each other? Absolutely not.
Do I think many of the stans are overreacting? Yes. But you are entitled to your feelings and opinions.
What I'm saying is that that I believe it will not be addressed in the show moving forward, and because of that, it doesn't really matter.
If you disagree with me, that's fine, but like all of you, I am entitled to my opinions and interpretations.
Daemon and Rhaenyra still have the strongest relationship of the show. And I am excited to see them burn together and commit war crimes in Season 2.
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I’m sorry I love you and your thoughts, always but not this time. I wish I can be optimistic. The choking scene crossed the line. For me the birth scene was understandable given his trauma but Daemon never physically abused Leana. Daemon never physically abused Mysaria. Daemon never physically abused his BROTHER. But now it’s known for daemon to physically abuse Rhaenrya???? The same daemon Ryan said in episode 2 in these EXACT WORDS “he’s not a monster” “he loves his family particularly rhaenrya” and also episode 3 with “Rhaenrya is probably one of the few people daemon will listen to” Ok unless it’s for war apparently otherwise he’ll choke the shit out of you. Nope. I guarantee it’s downfall going forward of those two. I don’t see how they’ll get pass it. Next season they’ll be at each other’s throats and he’ cheat. The end.
This moment was NOT about Rhaenrya. It was about Viserys, and about the deep, deep, absolutely devastating betrayal that Daemon was feeling.
This story is more than Daemon and Rhaenrya. It's the entire messed up Targaryen family, and very deeply entwined in the Daemyra love story IS Viserys... and HE is what was the impetus behind that act. His trust in Rhaenrya, and distrust in Daemon.
It all came to a head finally. At the most chaotic, emotionally devastating period of Daemon's life. It came to a head.
The end.
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And when he cheats on her, then what? You’re going to defend that too? Because he will cheat, this episode just proves where they’re going with his character.
I refuse to pre-judge something. We have no clue what will happen. I am judging THIS episode and what happened in THIS episode made perfect sense. If one is choosing to only look at Daemon's actions or the show itself through a Daemyra lens, you WILL be disappointed, but looking at it through the entire lens of the narrative that has been lain through the entire season, Daemon's entire arc, yes, this all makes perfect sense.
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